The Dominance of Dublin GAA Mod warning post#1

StupidLikeAFox · 11-02-2021 10:27PM

ArielAtom wrote: »

What has that got to do with the home of Dublin GAA???

Parnell Park is Dublins official ground on paper, but you must agree that Dublin enjoy the benefit of home advantage because they play almost all of their games in croke park? I mean that is pretty obvious right?

mitchelsontour · 11-02-2021 10:28PM

Where did they declare their home ground for the footballers for the Super 8's?

ArielAtom · 11-02-2021 10:30PM

StupidLikeAFox wrote: »

Parnell Park is Dublins official ground on paper, but you must agree that Dublin enjoy the benefit of home advantage because they play almost all of their games in croke park? I mean that is pretty obvious right?

So one of Dublins 4 Snr teams plays games at Croke Park it makes it Dublins home ground?

ArielAtom · 11-02-2021 10:34PM

mitchelsontour wrote: »

Where did they declare their home ground for the footballers for the Super 8's?

Any county can rent Croke Park, it’s not reserved for any one county. Dublin starts playing games there at the request of HQ to offset the running costs of the stadium. I’d love to play all games in Parnell Park bu that would mean no away supporters as the season ticket and Parnell Park Pass holders would get preference. I’m a member of neither, I get my tickets from my club. Would you be happy being told you couldn’t travel to a game against Dublin if you were a follower of your county?

StupidLikeAFox · 11-02-2021 10:37PM

ArielAtom wrote: »

So one of Dublins 4 Snr teams plays games at Croke Park it makes it Dublins home ground?

Sorry, I didn't think I would have to spell it out for you:

Parnell Park is Dublins official ground on paper, but you must agree that Dublin Senior Mens Football (GAA, not soccer) team enjoy the benefit of home advantage because they play almost all of their games in croke park? I mean that is pretty obvious right?

ArielAtom · 11-02-2021 10:40PM

StupidLikeAFox wrote: »

Sorry, I didn't think I would have to spell it out for you:

Parnell Park is Dublins official ground on paper, but you must agree that Dublin Senior Mens Football (GAA, not soccer) team enjoy the benefit of home advantage because they play almost all of their games in croke park? I mean that is pretty obvious right?

Don’t know where soccer came from. I am talking about Football, hurling, Ladies football and Camogie.

ShyMets · 11-02-2021 10:40PM

StupidLikeAFox wrote: »

Sorry, I didn't think I would have to spell it out for you:

Parnell Park is Dublins official ground on paper, but you must agree that Dublin Senior Mens Football (GAA, not soccer) team enjoy the benefit of home advantage because they play almost all of their games in croke park? I mean that is pretty obvious right?

I agree it can be an advantage to Dublin to play their games in Croke Park. But its the Leinster Council who decide where Dublin play.

mitchelsontour · 11-02-2021 10:46PM

I believe that Kildare have shown that if you want to play in your home ground that it probably can happen.

But given that most of the current senior footballers have never played an inter county league or championship game in Parnell Park then it cannot reasonably be considered the home ground of the footballers for this discussion.

ArielAtom · 11-02-2021 10:52PM

mitchelsontour wrote: »

I believe that Kildare have shown that if you want to play in your home ground that it probably can happen.

But given that most of the current senior footballers have never played an inter county league or championship game in Parnell Park then it cannot reasonably be considered the home ground of the footballers for this discussion.

If Dublin Snr footballers play 4-6 games per year that would otherwise be played in Parnell Park that is about it. They do not use it like other counties do for training games etc. If it is an advantage it’s minimal. Do you agree that Dublin GAA home ground is Parnell Park?

mitchelsontour · 11-02-2021 11:12PM

ArielAtom wrote: »

If Dublin Snr footballers play 4-6 games per year that would otherwise be played in Parnell Park that is about it. They do not use it like other counties do for training games etc. If it is an advantage it’s minimal. Do you agree that Dublin GAA home ground is Parnell Park?

So the footballers over a 10yr period have played let's say 50 games minimum in Croke Park, yet none in Parnell Park - do you agree with this assumption.

All the other Dublin inter county teams play games in Parnell Park.

There is the caveat for the discussion. Parnell Park is the home of Dublin GAA but given the amount of games played by the footballers in Croke Park they have home advantage by playing there constantly because of familiarity and routine. Therefore the footballers play the majority of their games at home.

Also as I pointed out in an earlier post
Home advantage - game played within your county bounds.
Away game - played within opponents county bounds.
Neutral game - played outside both teams county bounds

ooter · 11-02-2021 11:17PM

Interesting choice of words, home advantage instead of home game.
Dublin played Meath and westmeath in Parnell park in January 2019 by the way.

ArielAtom · 11-02-2021 11:26PM

mitchelsontour wrote: »

So the footballers over a 10yr period have played let's say 50 games minimum in Croke Park, yet none in Parnell Park - do you agree with this assumption.

All the other Dublin inter county teams play games in Parnell Park.

There is the caveat for the discussion. Parnell Park is the home of Dublin GAA but given the amount of games played by the footballers in Croke Park they have home advantage by playing there constantly because of familiarity and routine. Therefore the footballers play the majority of their games at home.

Also as I pointed out in an earlier post
Home advantage - game played within your county bounds.
Away game - played within opponents county bounds.
Neutral game - played outside both teams county bounds

So what you are saying is if Dublin play any game in HQ it is deemed a home game due to it being within the county boundaries?

StupidLikeAFox · 11-02-2021 11:30PM

ArielAtom wrote: »

Don’t know where soccer came from. I am talking about Football, hurling, Ladies football and Camogie.

You dont have to answer the question - keep dodging it if it makes you feel uncomfortable

ArielAtom · 11-02-2021 11:35PM

StupidLikeAFox wrote: »

You dont have to answer the question - keep dodging it if it makes you feel uncomfortable

I have answered it. Check my previous post with regards to playing at HQ. Post 6778

StupidLikeAFox · 11-02-2021 11:35PM

ooter wrote: »

Interesting choice of words, home advantage instead of home game.
Dublin played Meath and westmeath in Parnell park in January 2019 by the way.

Yeah, the term is home advantage, an advantage one team has over their opponents and gained by playing in familiar surroundings on a consistent basis.

StupidLikeAFox · 11-02-2021 11:37PM

ArielAtom wrote: »

I have answered it. Check my previous post with regards to playing at HQ. Post 6778

Sorry I missed that, so you agree that Dublin enjoy the benefit of home advantage when playing in croke park, sound, could have cleared that up way earlier

mitchelsontour · 11-02-2021 11:39PM

ArielAtom wrote: »

So what you are saying is if Dublin play any game in HQ it is deemed a home game due to it being within the county boundaries?

Logically yes as the opposition has to travel to their opponents county

You would have a valid argument that the hurlers would not have home advantage because they play the majority of their games at the county ground at Parnell Park .

But the footballers do have home advantage because as I have pointed out they play the vast majority of all their games especially championship there and as I said routine, familiarity and a larger support than you opponent make up what you could reasonably define as home advantage from playing your games at home.

Given we are unlikely to agree on this matter I will leave it at that for the debate of home ground/advantage.

ArielAtom · 11-02-2021 11:40PM

StupidLikeAFox wrote: »

Sorry I missed that, so you agree that Dublin enjoy the benefit of home advantage when playing in croke park, sound, could have cleared that up way earlier

I acknowledged between 4-6 games per year are a played there by the Snr footballers. I don’t recall using the term advantage, but if you took that out of no probs.

ooter · 11-02-2021 11:46PM

3 pages of deflection from the PUC story, nothing to be seen there.

JeffKenna · 12-02-2021 12:58AM

ooter wrote: »

3 pages of deflection from the PUC story, nothing to be seen there.

Deflection from what exactly? Cork GAA are €30m in debt because they redeveloped a stadium. You posted this in the dominance of Dublin GAA thread. Dublin will never be in that position because they get the free use of a stadium...aka a financial advantage over other counties.

Enquiring · 12-02-2021 10:02AM

Dublin footballers last played a championship game in Parnell Park in 2004 against London. Since then, they've played 96 championship games. 89 of those championship games have been played in Croke Park. 3 have been played in Portlaoise, 2 in Omagh, 1 in Kilkenny, 1 in Longford and 0 in Parnell Park.

SheepsClothing · 12-02-2021 11:03AM

ArielAtom wrote: »

So what you are saying is if Dublin play any game in HQ it is deemed a home game due to it being within the county boundaries?

Obviously yes. They are home games.

ArielAtom · 12-02-2021 11:14AM

As the majority of this thread is just a moanfest pointing out Dublin dominance, with very little focus on solving the perceived issue.

From my point, the split that some are looking for will not happen. The AI series is county based. Split Dublin and it is no longer a AI. Most posters would agree on that. I have my own ideas on what I see that can be done.

1. Dublin play their home games in Parnell Park, or a newly built stadium that is heavily funded by central funds ala PUC, this will be a capex project that going by the majority of posters should not pose a problem, Dublin will be required to fund at least 30% of the total cost .This will ensure that Croke Park is reserved for Leinster Final, AI Semi and Final. This will have a knock on affect, there will be no opposition supporters as the crowd will be made up on season ticket and Parnell Park ticket holders.

2. Finances are being addressed as we discuss this. The Dublin only project that was funded by the ISC has ceased. Financing is better distributed, Dublin lie mid table in this since approx 2017. That is not to say that further funding for other counties is not required, the GAA need to put a committee together to look at how this will be achieved.

3. To ensure this funding is maximised to it's full potential full time official needs to be appointed to each county.

4. People need to buy into this and stop living in the past, what funding was allocated to Dublin is done. It can't and won't be taken back. So if posters want to live in the past and not look to developing a plan that is acceptable to all then we are fighting a losing battle.

ArielAtom · 12-02-2021 11:15AM

SheepsClothing wrote: »

Obviously yes. They are home games.

So let me get this straight, you are now saying that an Leinster final, AI semi final and AI final are home games for Dublin?

ArielAtom · 12-02-2021 11:17AM

JeffKenna wrote: »

Deflection from what exactly? Cork GAA are €30m in debt because they redeveloped a stadium. You posted this in the dominance of Dublin GAA thread. Dublin will never be in that position because they get the free use of a stadium...aka a financial advantage over other counties.

They are 30m in debt because they managed the process poorly, they also got funding from HQ and the government to the tune of 50M. Puts the funding Dublin received in the halfpenny place.

ooter · 12-02-2021 11:28AM

Pretty sure every county gets free use of croke park stadium.
If Dublin got even a fraction of the money cork got from the GAA for PUC the fume would be off the scale.
The question that was asked a few pages back was when was the last time Dublin senior footballers played in Parnell park, it was January 2019.

dobman88 · 12-02-2021 11:31AM

ooter wrote: »

The question that was asked a few pages back was when was the last time Dublin senior footballers played in Parnell park, it was January 2019.

This is wrong.

They played meath there in the league in October 2020.

Enquiring · 12-02-2021 11:40AM

ArielAtom wrote: »

As the majority of this thread is just a moanfest pointing out Dublin dominance, with very little focus on solving the perceived issue.

From my point, the split that some are looking for will not happen. The AI series is county based. Split Dublin and it is no longer a AI. Most posters would agree on that. I have my own ideas on what I see that can be done.

1. Dublin play their home games in Parnell Park, or a newly built stadium that is heavily funded by central funds ala PUC, this will be a capex project that going by the majority of posters should not pose a problem, Dublin will be required to fund at least 30% of the total cost .This will ensure that Croke Park is reserved for Leinster Final, AI Semi and Final. This will have a knock on affect, there will be no opposition supporters as the crowd will be made up on season ticket and Parnell Park ticket holders.

2. Finances are being addressed as we discuss this. The Dublin only project that was funded by the ISC has ceased. Financing is better distributed, Dublin lie mid table in this since approx 2017. That is not to say that further funding for other counties is not required, the GAA need to put a committee together to look at how this will be achieved.

3. To ensure this funding is maximised to it's full potential full time official needs to be appointed to each county.

4. People need to buy into this and stop living in the past, what funding was allocated to Dublin is done. It can't and won't be taken back. So if posters want to live in the past and not look to developing a plan that is acceptable to all then we are fighting a losing battle.

The split has to happen because Dublin received huge funding since 2002. Far more than any other county who got in and around the same. This funding has led to a huge number of titles across the board and it has resulted in Dublin having an incredible level of resources available to them. Close to 10 million is spent per year on wages and development alone.

1. Parnell park can play host to Fingal and Dublin city home games.

2. The finance has not been addressed. Dublin still receive far more than anyone else. Along with Dublin, a few other counties are also receiving extra funding. Every other county are still far behind.

3. Agreed. Appointing officers to oversee the Dublin only program was an important part of the plan drawn up by the Strategic review committee in 2002. Every county including the 4 new counties in Dublin should have officials in place to ensure the development of hurling and football is progressing smoothly.

4. With the finance available to Dublin GAA, 4 counties can easily thrive. The wealth and structures are there for it. People need to stop looking at the split as a negative. It's positive for everyone and along with appropriate funding for every county, it will lead to a bright and prosperous future for Gaelic games.

Enquiring · 12-02-2021 11:48AM

ArielAtom wrote: »

They are 30m in debt because they managed the process poorly, they also got funding from HQ and the government to the tune of 50M. Puts the funding Dublin received in the halfpenny place.

Dublin senior footballers home stadium cost 260 million. They've played 89 out 96 championship matches in Croke Park since 2004. A further 71 million will be spent on upgrades to Croke Park the GAA have announced.

Enquiring · 12-02-2021 11:50AM

dobman88 wrote: »

This is wrong.

They played meath there in the league in October 2020.

The first Dublin league game to be played in Parnell park in a decade.

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