Dublin Metro South vs Luas

punisher5112 · 27-03-2019 10:28AM

Bus connects is another.

Buses will link the Luas that once went to the city but will no more.

vrusinov · 27-03-2019 01:17PM

L1011 wrote: »

It's all OK, some incredibly argumentative guy on Twitter insisted that every single unit in Cherrywood and Sandyford will be rental and somehow only rented by people who can walk to work in those estates.

Right, f**k those scum renters, they could all just walk to CC or to Dundrum for some services and shopping. Also they obviously don't deserve anything more than some contract agency work in Sandyford.

hmmm · 27-03-2019 01:38PM

Idbatterim wrote: »

That above image is way off. No mention of six hundred homes for old Dundrum shopping centre. 1500 on old Dundrum central mental home site and tons of other smaller schemes. If you were to believe that map , the amount of extra capacity the luas will get over the next few years, would soak it up easily!

True - I can think of several very large development areas hugely underestimated - any many already approved e.g. Clay Farm phase 2 with over a 1000 units. What gets me is that the planners are ploughing ahead with approving lots of new development along the Green line, as if the LUAS light rail is some form of magic capacity system which can soak up any volume of new commuters. Minister Murphy and Shane Ross need to let us know where Dublin's housing is now to be built, because the LUAS is banjaxed until 2040.

AndrewJRenko · 27-03-2019 02:00PM

Idbatterim wrote: »

That above image is way off. No mention of six hundred homes for old Dundrum shopping centre.

Is there any sound plan for the future of that site?

magicbastarder · 27-03-2019 11:25PM

MetroLink Plans Cancelled In Favour Of TDs Reelection

http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2019/03/27/metrolink-plans-cancelled-in-favour-of-tds-reelection

Idbatterim · 27-03-2019 11:37PM

magicbastarder wrote: »

MetroLink Plans Cancelled In Favour Of TDs Reelection

http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2019/03/27/metrolink-plans-cancelled-in-favour-of-tds-reelection

Bravo! That nails it!!!

OleRodrigo · 30-03-2019 11:58AM

So excuse my naivety again, and it may have already been addressed, but whats wrong with an automated monorail system? Seems (on the face of it) to be the only solution for Dublin.

https://rail.bombardier.com/en/solutions-and-technologies/urban/monorail.html

L1011 · 30-03-2019 02:19PM

Everything.

Two main ones: It's incompatible with what we already have. Elevated railways require massive demolition to build.

AndrewJRenko · 31-03-2019 10:58AM

OleRodrigo wrote: »

So excuse my naivety again, and it may have already been addressed, but whats wrong with an automated monorail system? Seems (on the face of it) to be the only solution for Dublin.

https://rail.bombardier.com/en/solutions-and-technologies/urban/monorail.html

Probably the greatest—Aw, it's not for you. It's more a Shelbyville idea.

noelfirl · 31-03-2019 11:28AM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Probably the greatest—Aw, it's not for you. It's more a Shelbyville idea.

salmocab · 31-03-2019 12:05PM

noelfirl wrote: »

It sure put them on the map

ohographite · 29-04-2019 08:35PM

If and when the green line is upgraded to metro standard, will it involve clearing away all the hedgerows growing along the line? If so, would there be enough space to build a cycle path alongside the line in the space currently taken up by hedgerows?

Del.Monte · 29-04-2019 10:52PM

ohographite wrote: »

If and when the green line is upgraded to metro standard, will it involve clearing away all the hedgerows growing along the line? If so, would there be enough space to build a cycle path alongside the line in the space currently taken up by hedgerows?

No.

FileNotFound · 30-01-2021 01:42PM

L1011 wrote: »

Everything.

Two main ones: It's incompatible with what we already have. Elevated railways require massive demolition to build.

The plans that came to our house show underground stations.

Peregrine · 31-01-2021 02:49AM

FileNotFound wrote: »

The plans that came to our house show underground stations.

You received plans for an underground monorail at your house?

dowlingm · 31-01-2021 03:40PM

What width of vehicles is Green Luas designed to take without additional structure widening work? The existing vehicles are 2.45m - I dimly recall discussion of GL being able to take 2.65m. Presumably the old Harcourt Line could go to something nearer 2.85m but that was without electrification or the deviations from the old route.

If 2.65m as much as can be done, a minimalist upgrade of GL could replace existing Citadis trams with Citadis Spirit in the same configuration as Ottawa - install longer but narrowed platforms, paired 2.65m trams, upgrade line voltage to 1500V. Wouldn’t be the same capacity bump as high floor but post Covid the desire to constrain public expenditure is likely to be back with a vengeance, and the Citadis Spirit has ATO and underground capability.

31-01-2021 04:18PM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Wait until you find all trams at Cabinteely are jam-packed with all the new folks at Cherrywood and we'll see how pleased you are.

I also use the luas around cherrywood and prior to Lockdown in March it was starting to become unusuable. Sardine tin on the way home and very full in the morning. And thats before Cherrywood is completed.

31-01-2021 04:24PM

Peregrine wrote: »

You received plans for an underground monorail at your house?

My sister was hoping to go to trinity and was looking at places to rent. One place she was very excited about was *going* to be around carrickmines and would have a luas station in the basement. Then the crash came and nevermind that it didn't get completed it was never started. Not as much as one spadefull was turned on the site. She had a full brochure detailing all the wondrous amenities it would have. "Don't wait! Secure your deposit now".

Maybe thats what the poster is referring to.

Del.Monte · 31-01-2021 05:00PM

Much as I like the Green Luas line and prefer everything about it to the DART, it should have been built as a DART route all the way to Bray via the original alignment. Even if it had gone back into the original terminus at Harcourt Street it would have been a viable proposition with a Luas tram outside the station. The tram, perhaps, taking an alternative route into Rathmines etc. rather than the present route.

donvito99 · 31-01-2021 06:14PM

Del.Monte wrote: »

Much as I like the Green Luas line and prefer everything about it to the DART, it should have been built as a DART route all the way to Bray via the original alignment. Even if it had gone back into the original terminus at Harcourt Street it would have been a viable proposition with a Luas tram outside the station. The tram, perhaps, taking an alternative route into Rathmines etc. rather than the present route.

Or even better, it should have dropped into a tunnel at the old Harcourt St station and reemerged at Broadstone - Bray to Maynooth.

But we panicked at the thought of spending a few hundred million punt in the 80s and now we're left with a dinky little tram that is (or was) at capacity a mere 15 years after it opened.

Zebra3 · 31-01-2021 06:26PM

donvito99 wrote: »

Or even better, it should have dropped into a tunnel at the old Harcourt St station and reemerged at Broadstone - Bray to Maynooth.

But we panicked at the thought of spending a few hundred million punt in the 80s and now we're left with a dinky little tram that is (or was) at capacity a mere 15 years after it opened.

Wasn't that the plan 100 years ago?

FileNotFound · 01-02-2021 12:48AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I also use the luas around cherrywood and prior to Lockdown in March it was starting to become unusuable. Sardine tin on the way home and very full in the morning. And thats before Cherrywood is completed.

When they finish those apts it will do well to cope with the load, I assume longer trams are limited by current station sizes.

Same happening with buses all over, as housing expands so do routes but not capacity

bk · 01-02-2021 12:34PM

donvito99 wrote: »

But we panicked at the thought of spending a few hundred million punt in the 80s and now we're left with a dinky little tram that is (or was) at capacity a mere 15 years after it opened.

Well those two dinky little tram lines carry almost as many passengers as the entire Irish Rail network!!

In 2019 the entire Irish Rail network (including intercity, commuter and DART) carried 50m passengers, while the two "dinky tram" lines carried 48 million!

That also means each tram line carries more passengers then DART, which is 20 million per year.

FileNotFound wrote: »

When they finish those apts it will do well to cope with the load, I assume longer trams are limited by current station sizes.

Same happening with buses all over, as housing expands so do routes but not capacity

Well longer, 55 meter Luas trams are currently being introduced, though that should be about as long as they can get. They are already the second longest trams in the world.

M50Jct15 · 04-02-2021 11:40PM

Del.Monte wrote: »

Much as I like the Green Luas line and prefer everything about it to the DART, it should have been built as a DART route all the way to Bray via the original alignment.

The original alignment would be complete nonsense..taking the trams through very low-density housing and missing the huge developments along the Ballyogan Road.

The problem isn't the route, it's the capacity. It should be part of a metro.

GT89 · 05-02-2021 12:24AM

Del.Monte wrote: »

Much as I like the Green Luas line and prefer everything about it to the DART, it should have been built as a DART route all the way to Bray via the original alignment. Even if it had gone back into the original terminus at Harcourt Street it would have been a viable proposition with a Luas tram outside the station. The tram, perhaps, taking an alternative route into Rathmines etc. rather than the present route.

Or better still not have closed the Harcourt St. Line in the first place

GT89 · 05-02-2021 12:30AM

bk wrote: »

Well those two dinky little tram lines carry almost as many passengers as the entire Irish Rail network!!

In 2019 the entire Irish Rail network (including intercity, commuter and DART) carried 50m passengers, while the two "dinky tram" lines carried 48 million!

That also means each tram line carries more passengers then DART, which is 20 million per year.

More to do with the fact the Dart line serves current low density housing developments whereas both Luas travel though high density areas for almost the whole route.

bk · 05-02-2021 12:19PM

GT89 wrote: »

More to do with the fact the Dart line serves current low density housing developments whereas both Luas travel though high density areas for almost the whole route.

The DART line serves areas that are about the same density as the Luas. The issue is more that half of the DARTs catchment area is the sea.

My point more was to show how ridiculous it is to call Luas "a dinky tram", when it carries so many people, one of the longest, most frequent and highest capacity tram lines in the world, which carries almost as many passengers as the entire IR network and gets the highest customer satisfaction ratings.

Luas has been a wild success, if we had the road space to build another dozen Luas lines we would fix Dublins transport problems overnight.

timeToLive · 05-02-2021 01:12PM

WFH policies in the future help the Luas capacity issues

Del.Monte · 05-02-2021 01:45PM

timeToLive wrote: »

WFH policies in the future help the Luas capacity issues

Sorry?

bk · 05-02-2021 01:50PM

Del.Monte wrote: »

Sorry?

WFH = Working From Home, basically the OP is saying, going forward there will be a lot more people working remotely and working from home, at least a couple days a week and that it will take some of the overcrowding strain off Luas.

It might do, at least in the short term, though I suspect it will be counter balanced by new housing.

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