The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 2)

blanch152 · 29-01-2021 03:15PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Stopping people coming on to the island isn't a Zero Covid strategy blanch.

There is no reason to stop people coming on to the island other than in pursuit of a Zero Covid strategy i.e. the New Zealand approach.

Holohan and Nolan have said that because we are a small open economy, stopping people coming on to the island just isn't an option. Even if we could, we can't trust the incompetents in the Stormont government to keep up their end.

To give an example of why this is the case, our goods imports are three times the size of New Zealand, our goods exports nearly four times the size of New Zealand, despite the population of the two countries being nearly the same. Our levels of essential travel will be higher than New Zealand's and our need to keep essential travel going is greater. Furthermore, the integration of our economy and society with the UK is huge compared to New Zealand which is hours from anywhere else.

https://www.citypopulation.de/en/world/bymap/airtrafficpassengers/

Look at these air passenger statistics. We have ten times the air passenger traffic of New Zealand in an ordinary year. We have to change that for the climate's sake, but it is a reality now.

Yourself and other posters got this wrong, you aren't experts, that is understandable but there is no excuse for Sinn Fein being what they usually are, opposition for opposition's sake.

Despite all these issues and obstacles, our government have done a remarkable job in managing Covid, with our case rates and death rates below that of our neighbours to the North and to the East.

FrancieBrady · 29-01-2021 03:17PM

blanch152 wrote: »

There is no reason to stop people coming on to the island other than in pursuit of a Zero Covid strategy

Yes there is. You stop/control/inhibit the spread.

James Brown · 29-01-2021 04:13PM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

What?

Today's due process within the law is preferable to internment and random beatings, IMO.
I suppose it's handy to consistently cite IRA violence while ignoring the day to day occurrences were carried out by the 'authorities'.

James Brown · 29-01-2021 04:14PM

blanch152 wrote: »

There is no reason to stop people coming on to the island other than in pursuit of a Zero Covid strategy i.e. the New Zealand approach.

Holohan and Nolan have said that because we are a small open economy, stopping people coming on to the island just isn't an option. Even if we could, we can't trust the incompetents in the Stormont government to keep up their end.

To give an example of why this is the case, our goods imports are three times the size of New Zealand, our goods exports nearly four times the size of New Zealand, despite the population of the two countries being nearly the same. Our levels of essential travel will be higher than New Zealand's and our need to keep essential travel going is greater. Furthermore, the integration of our economy and society with the UK is huge compared to New Zealand which is hours from anywhere else.

https://www.citypopulation.de/en/world/bymap/airtrafficpassengers/

Look at these air passenger statistics. We have ten times the air passenger traffic of New Zealand in an ordinary year. We have to change that for the climate's sake, but it is a reality now.

Yourself and other posters got this wrong, you aren't experts, that is understandable but there is no excuse for Sinn Fein being what they usually are, opposition for opposition's sake.

Despite all these issues and obstacles, our government have done a remarkable job in managing Covid, with our case rates and death rates below that of our neighbours to the North and to the East.

Do you think people flying in and out for holidays or funerals is going to help?

'worst in the world' is pretty remarkable.

Bishop of hope · 29-01-2021 04:26PM

James Brown wrote: »

Today's due process within the law is preferable to internment and random beatings, IMO.
I suppose it's handy to consistently cite IRA violence while ignoring the day to day occurrences were carried out by the 'authorities'.

The PSNI engaged in this?

RandomViewer · 29-01-2021 04:34PM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

What?

Gardai used to stand outside a nightclub in Glenties in the 1990s and basically pick fights with the people leaving, thats the sort of sh1t that happened

blanch152 · 29-01-2021 04:55PM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

The PSNI engaged in this?

Did you not know, it was the PSNI that carried out all those kneecappings.

James Brown · 29-01-2021 04:56PM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

The PSNI engaged in this?

I think you've misunderstood again Bish.
The PSNI are looking into a funeral and a poster was lamenting the time it's taking. I was saying it's preferable to what previously went on.

James Brown · 29-01-2021 04:56PM

blanch152 wrote: »

Did you not know, it was the PSNI that carried out all those kneecappings.

Can you show links to this claim?

blanch152 · 29-01-2021 04:58PM

James Brown wrote: »

Do you think people flying in and out for holidays or funerals is going to help?

'worst in the world' is pretty remarkable.

We are not worst in the world, not by a longshot. As I pointed out, our case numbers and deaths per capita, horrific though they are, are below those in our neighbours to the North and to the East.

Who said people can fly in and out for holidays? The proposal put forward was for the island to be sealed off and all travel shut down. It couldn't work, it wouldn't work, that was pointed out on here, and the experts from NPHET have said the same. Accept it was wrong to propose it and move on.

Brendan Bendar · 29-01-2021 04:59PM

James Brown wrote: »

I think you've misunderstood again Bish.
The PSNI are looking into a funeral and a poster was lamenting the time it's taking. I was saying it's preferable to what previously went on.

What previously went on?

RandomViewer · 29-01-2021 05:00PM

blanch152 wrote: »

Did you not know, it was the PSNI that carried out all those kneecappings.

But happily passed on the floor plans of peoples houses to those that did,

James Brown · 29-01-2021 05:03PM

blanch152 wrote: »

We are not worst in the world, not by a longshot. As I pointed out, our case numbers and deaths per capita, horrific though they are, are below those in our neighbours to the North and to the East.

Who said people can fly in and out for holidays? The proposal put forward was for the island to be sealed off and all travel shut down. It couldn't work, it wouldn't work, that was pointed out on here, and the experts from NPHET have said the same. Accept it was wrong to propose it and move on.

You are back to point scoring with glee over the deaths from a pandemic in an effort to deflect from the government who at one point had the worst in the world.

Can you show where people said 'all travel'? I only heard Varadkar suggest that was the plan. Essential travel was never to be banned as far as I recall.
I stand by restricting travel to essential only. Has Holohan said that's pointless?

RandomViewer · 29-01-2021 05:06PM

I think anyone who flew back from holidays should have had their passport shredded in front of them and told thats it gone forever

Brendan Bendar · 29-01-2021 05:15PM

RandomViewer wrote: »

I think anyone who flew back from holidays should have had their passport shredded in front of them and told thats it gone forever

Bit harsh..... hit the pòca.... that hurts Pat most, he’ll dig underneath anything else.

RandomViewer · 29-01-2021 05:18PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Bit harsh..... hit the pòca.... that hurts Pat most, he’ll dig underneath anything else.

Nah, huge percentage of fines go unpaid, no passport would be a sharp shock

Brendan Bendar · 29-01-2021 05:22PM

RandomViewer wrote: »

Nah, huge percentage of fines go unpaid, no passport would be a sharp shock

I hear you

But the passport shredding wouldn’t have the public support.

The tools would oppose so no chance.

jimmycrackcorm · 29-01-2021 05:50PM

RandomViewer wrote: »

I think anyone who flew back from holidays should have had their passport shredded in front of them and told thats it gone forever

The thousands of cases we've had over recent weeks have little to do with people travelling. Misdirected.

blanch152 · 29-01-2021 05:50PM

RandomViewer wrote: »

I think anyone who flew back from holidays should have had their passport shredded in front of them and told thats it gone forever

We don't like in a socialist republic. That can't be done.

FrancieBrady · 29-01-2021 05:58PM

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

The thousands of cases we've had over recent weeks have little to do with people travelling. Misdirected.

So why am I locked inside a 5km circle?
More confused messaging.

RandomViewer · 29-01-2021 06:00PM

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

The thousands of cases we've had over recent weeks have little to do with people travelling. Misdirected.

So Kent strain and South African strain aren't in circulation?

RandomViewer · 29-01-2021 06:01PM

blanch152 wrote: »

We don't like in a socialist republic. That can't be done.

So all drunk drivers will be getting their licences back over the weekend?

blanch152 · 29-01-2021 06:03PM

RandomViewer wrote: »

So all drunk drivers will be getting their licences back over the weekend?

Removing people's passports. Think about it for a moment. Think about the places that do that and what they are like.

RandomViewer · 29-01-2021 06:13PM

blanch152 wrote: »

Removing people's passports. Think about it for a moment. Think about the places that do that and what they are like.

You only lose it for being an Ahole, same as drunk driving, we were told to sit in the house most of us did but some didn't, those that didn't deserve some form of sanction and having to sit in the house while everyone else can travel when safe to do so would be apt

blanch152 · 29-01-2021 06:15PM

RandomViewer wrote: »

You only lose it for being an Ahole, same as drunk driving, we were told to sit in the house most of us did but some didn't, those that didn't deserve some form of sanction and having to sit in the house while everyone else can travel when safe to do so would be apt

Withholding a passport is a much more serious sanction than removal of a driving licence, and you want to impose this sanction without a court hearing. It seems like you favour the creation of a police state.

FrancieBrady · 29-01-2021 06:19PM

blanch152 wrote: »

Withholding a passport is a much more serious sanction than removal of a driving licence, and you want to impose this sanction without a court hearing. It seems like you favour the creation of a police state.

We are in a level 5 lockdown. I cannot move out of a 5km circle around my home.

Police state you say? Extraordinary times require extraordinary solutions.

Once again you have a problem for every solution. Bring them before a court if necessary.

blanch152 · 29-01-2021 06:20PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

We are in a level 5 lockdown. I cannot move out of a 5km circle around my home.

Police state you say? Extraordinary times require extraordinary solutions.

Once again you have a problem for every solution. Bring them before a court if necessary.

Under what legislation?

Interesting to see that human rights including the right to a passport, don't last very long on a Sinn Fein thread.

FrancieBrady · 29-01-2021 06:26PM

blanch152 wrote: »

Under what legislation?

Interesting to see that human rights including the right to a passport, don't last very long on a Sinn Fein thread.

Create the legislation. They can do it overnight if they are so motivated.

It's a suggestion blanch, nothing more...a solution. Something you diametrically oppose if it comes from anyone but the F FF nexus.

RandomViewer · 29-01-2021 06:30PM

blanch152 wrote: »

Withholding a passport is a much more serious sanction than removal of a driving licence, and you want to impose this sanction without a court hearing. It seems like you favour the creation of a police state.

Drunk driving is a serious offence? Reckless endangerment , have these people not done the same so if we have to take them to court to take their passports name and shame as well , let's do it people need to own their sh1t and should face the music when they trample over everyone else's good work

downcow · 29-01-2021 06:30PM

jm08 wrote: »

I don't think that is correct.

Michelle O'Neill's statement in full

“There has been considerable controversy over my attendance at Bobby Storey’s funeral.
“He was my friend.
"At the foremost of my mind are all the families who are grieving.
“I have listened carefully to the voices of those who have lost loved ones.
“No family’s grief is more important than another’s.
“I am particularly concerned that grieving families, who have lost a loved one during the pandemic had their heartache compounded by the necessary restrictions which were in place at that time.
“Not being able to have their family and friends’ support to help them through was hugely difficult.
“I am also concerned that those grieving families are experiencing more hurt over recent days. I am sorry for that.
“Bobby’s family also must have space to grieve.
“If the regulations had prevented me from attending his funeral I would have obeyed those regulations.
“At the funeral and mass I kept to the regulations as I have advised others to do.
“The PSNI will look into all of this.
“It is unfortunate that this matter has divided the Executive.
“We have important work to do and I firmly believe that all the parties of the Executive are committed to this and to powersharing.
“We have made good progress in this despite all the difficulties. My commitment is to continue this work.
“Covid 19 is still with us and I will continue to lead us through this and in to recovery.”

This is exactly the position. She has ducked and dived and has not admitted to any wrongdoing and has not apologised for any wrongdoing. She has actually gone a bit further and stated that she will never apologise for attending the Story funeral.

.....and the regulations were very clear. You were not allowed to attend a friends funeral. She also broke a further 6 regulations.

The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 2)

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