UFC 257 Poirier vs McGregor 2

kippy wrote: »

Well that should be that for McGregor. Perhaps a retirement that is actually a retirement is required.
No doubt at his peak a great fighter and has done great work for the promotion and set himself up for life but enough is enough.

Cmon surely you've watched enough UFC to know an L doesn't really mean anything. For example Dustin Poirier getting KO'd stiff by Michael Johnson. Henry Cejudo getting destroyed by Demetrious Johnson. At least Conor put up somewhat of a fight. He royally screwed up by going for a takedown and ducked into a punch, then as he fell got ktfo. This happens in fighting all the time doesn't mean he an't win again. But he definitely needs changes, its clear as day his skillset has been dropping since Mayweather. His standup was bad against Khabib and even though he beat Cerrone something just seemed off with his movement. SBG just can't hang with the big mma teams who know all the trade secrets.

callaway92 wrote: »

Completely this. It’s over before it starts.

My god I could watch Dustin fighting all day but he has a level.

Genuinely shocked in the result here.

Always enjoyed Poirier but didn't see this coming.

However for the good of the division it doesn't get my juices flowing in regards to hype.

Poirier vs Oliviera etc isn't too intriguing... Casual viewership gonna get hurt a lot too

My big take away from that fight is less that Dustin is exceptional but rather that Conor is no longer that. Don't get me wrong Dustin is most certainly a great fighter and he earned that win but it's clear McGregor is way past his personal best. Doesn't really matter why, he just is.

We can talk lifestyle, camps, mindsets, fame, money, or whatever, but at the end of the day the simple truth is that he's just past his personal sell by date.

That said though, the usual nonsense of "he should retire" is predictable. McGregor loses to the #1 in the world. It happens. Even if he's over his own personal hill, he's still a perfectly capable fighter and he has a fair few fights left in him.

I mean Michael Chandler made Dan Hooker look like a bum in the event just prior and no-one's saying he should retire nor doubting the fact that he's still a good fighter who had the night go against him...badly.

It's the fight game. Losses happen to the best and the best get old and slow down as well. Some can compete successfully in later years no doubt, but a great many just can't. We have seen it happen over and over again.

The McGregor we had is gone and I really don't think he's ever coming back at this stage. That doesn't mean he will never compete or win again though.

Delighted. Delighted !
Devo I called it wrong, I don't where my head is at right now. Pity he got the head battererd off him over his sore calf.

clsmooth wrote: »

Frustrating fight (from a McGregor fan viewpoint). Grappled well in the first and caught Poirier with a few nice shots. But once again he looked a diminished fighter after a round and a half. I’m aware a lot of that was from Poiriers kicks disrupting his balance and weight distribution on his feet but why not check them? He loaded up on a couple of big hits which missed the target and Poirier picked him off easily enough after that.

I’d question McGregor’s heart again. He showed plenty of it in the Diaz 2 and Khabib fights but once the tide changed in this one, he seemed out on his feet ala Diaz 1. Why not level change? He’s had plenty of time to work on his BJJ over the past 5 years. His grappling is quite good. We haven’t seen him throw any leg kicks in decent numbers since Diaz 2. He’s just not a rounded fighter. Far too dependant on the left shot that everyone sees coming at this stage and understandably has lost some of the zip that he had in his 20s. He looks more one dimensional than his earlier carrier as he’s gone away from his kicks and just concentrating on walking down his opponent and catching them with that left. Interesting to see if he can evolve his style at this stage of his career.

Reminding me post prison Mike Tyson a bit. No plan B and yes men in the corner.

Jersey Puller wrote: »

Don’t ever forget the good times . He has given us some great ones , but he looked old this morning and he is self assured enough to say that himself . . I remember in 07 or 08 going to cage contender fo see a friend of mine fighting but being captivated by this fighter from Crumlin and straight away I knew he was special . It was all Chuck Liddell and Karo Parisian for me back then but when I saw this fella and paddy H was on the same card , I knew that we finally had UFC Caliber fighters in Ireland. Ok he came up short this evening , but he gave us some great great moments that have not been seen since Italian 90. I think at the end of the day , he’s a family man with a good heart . And he never backed down from anything , win or lose he gave it his all . And hopefully history might be kind to him .

Cool story bro

Dr. Bre wrote: »

Cool story bro

Ah sure I suppose I might be a bit sentimental about these things .
But hopefully now soon we will have a few good young lads that will step up into the breach .
We need to get a good wrestling programme going in Ireland though or else we will be badly exposed .

callaway92 wrote: »

Right. . . .

Not overly wrong

He’s not cut out for LW, he’s had one fight where he looked competent?

MattS1 wrote: »

Wouldn't be surprised if Conor took this loss for a big payday from someone else who bet on it.

Grow up

Think 145 only place conor is king. Dustin was a boy last time they fought, he matured a lot since then. Pity I was hopeful of khabib rematch. Wonder where he goes from here? Probably super fights/spectacle fights.

SBG just isn't up to scratch. Practically all of their fighters end up getting ko'd when fighting decent opposition. Even several cases of fighters on a good streak, join sbg, get knocked out, leave sbg and do well again. How could you possibly think Conor going into Poirier fight pretending hes a push forward high volume brawler, in a boxing stance, was a good idea. Some of the punches he threw were extremely inaccurate and just left him wide open for Poiriers counter every time. Maybe its the boxing clubs fault, I think Conor got a bit too obsessed with boxing after loss to mayweather and changed his whole approach for no reason. Of course his leg was going to get wrecked. Conor has to fight mma only as a distance counter puncher, who pressures his opponent to throw first, any other style will never work for him. You can see what happens when hes forced into a brawl in the 2 Diaz fights, mayweather and here, he wilts and doesn't punch back. Barely survived round 3 in Diaz 2, then Diaz was tired in round 4, but Poirier hits harder, can't just stand there like a punch bag trying to slip punches with nothing coming back.

He wasnt level changing when he got chinned. He was ducking. He had done it twice already in the previous 10 second flurry he was facing. Dustin read it. That wasn't a level change, it was a weave. He was trying to survive on a bandy leg.