Liverpool FC Team Talk, Gossip, Rumours 2020/2021

yourdeadwright · 22-01-2021 11:06AM

People need to chill out ,
Questing the manger is bizzare ,

We are in really poor form and that may continue for a while but its because of injury/covid
There is no long term problems here,

We are still dominating games we just ,missing the final ball and finish,
if Jota was fir or we had better back up than Origig and Taki we would be fine ,

It'll be a struggle this season but long term I wouldn't be concerned,

yourdeadwright · 22-01-2021 11:08AM

I wonder what we do for United the weekend,

I see Tsimikas , Neco , Milner, Jones,Taki, Salah & Firmino all starting after that iv no idea,

Cyrus · 22-01-2021 11:09AM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

People need to chill out ,
Questing the manger is bizzare ,

We are in really poor form and that may continue for a while but its because of injury/covid
There is no long term problems here,

We are still dominating games we just ,missing the final ball and finish,
if Jota was fir or we had better back up than Origig and Taki we would be fine ,

It'll be a struggle this season but long term I wouldn't be concerned,

we arent really dominating games though, we are dominating possession which teams are happy to let us do as we are now incapable of doing anything meaningful with it.

the whole system has gone to pot since VVD and Gomez got injured, until they are back we wont be back at it, so this season, barring a cup run, is going to be a write off.

awec · 22-01-2021 11:10AM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I wonder what we do for United the weekend,

I see Tsimikas , Neco , Milner, Jones,Taki, Salah & Firmino all starting after that iv no idea,

I was convinced before that we'd play a heavily rotated side, but I'm not so sure now. We are so desperate for a win of any kind to get some confidence back that maybe he'll go stronger than expected.

Kimbot · 22-01-2021 11:11AM

We need Jota back ASAP to put pressure on the front 3.

rob316 · 22-01-2021 11:18AM

Osmosis Jones wrote: »

Wouldn't normally make a whole post criticising one player but Mane hasn't looked himself for a while now, he killed so many attacks tonight. Every time he gets the ball he just freezes, including when the pass to him has come on the back of 3 or 4 quick ones in a free flowing move.

Really poor decision making, robertson makes the overlapping run as he always does, and you can see a load of space opened up in front for Mane, he always drove into that space.

Robertson for me is the only attacking player not out of sorts, he's still delivering good crosses and makes the runs but its a bunch of statues in the box or no one there.

dogbert27 · 22-01-2021 11:25AM

I think one the reasons why our away form is bad too is that opposition teams can sit back with everyone behind the ball making it hard for us to breakdown for 90 minutes without their own fans getting frustrated and pressuring them to attack.

It does go to show that fans at the ground do influence how things happen on the field.

MD1990 · 22-01-2021 11:26AM

think this may explain partly our form.

Is it sustainable to keep outsprinting teams to this extent.

Im not sure.
Our attacking play is so boring now to watch. Winning the ball high seems to be our main attacking play but not seen much of it this season.

Fitz* · 22-01-2021 11:28AM

willabur wrote: »

anyone else getting Klopp at dortmund towards the end vibe i.e. an inexplicable fall off the edge of a cliff turn in form

Dortmund had horrible injury problems that season. Important players were either missing large chunks of games, or picking up lots of injuries. They had just lost Lewandowski that summer to Bayern Munich also, with Gotze going the summer previous.

Most of the team that had won 2 leagues, cups and got to the CL final was now missing for a lot of that season.

Hummels had a few niggly injuries in the first half of the season missing a good portion of games.
Subotic done his cruciate and missed most of the season.
Shmelzer was picking up niggling injuries at the start of the season and struggled for fitness and form.
Piszczek also picked up a big injury missing months.

Sahin had 2 big knee injuries and missed months at a time. Only started 6 league games.
Gundogan was still injured with his horrible back injury and missed a couple months. Then had to try get back up to match fitness.
Blaszczykowski missed months with a ACL started 6 league games.
Groskreutz also missed months with a bad injury.
Marco Reus picked up multiple injurie and missed half of their games.

Klopp eventually turned it around and they qualified for Europe the next season, after being bottom of the table in February. Got to the final of the cup too, but lost.

Harry Palmr · 22-01-2021 11:34AM

rob316 wrote: »

Really poor decision making, robertson makes the overlapping run as he always does, and you can see a load of space opened up in front for Mane, he always drove into that space.

Robertson for me is the only attacking player not out of sorts, he's still delivering good crosses and makes the runs but its a bunch of statues in the box or no one there.

Mane has become a back to goal player in a matter of weeks. As said last night he no longer fronts up a defender and jinks past him, he no longer makes the run inside/outside defender to clear space for Robbo and as above not "seeing" Robbo overlaps. When not willing to take the ball into high risk/reward areas and opting for safer options it must be confidence.

Ikozma · 22-01-2021 11:51AM

Bring Ian rush back in as a forwards coach

22-01-2021 12:00PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

............. -

Core players - Gini is off. One of the front three probably is.
Subs - Ox-Cham, Milner, Shaqiri, Origi

So that could be 6 players without looking too deeply!

We need additional CBs ...... Matip can't be relied on and realistically Gomez has horrendous luck in picking up serious injuries. That might take it's toll even if he doesn't pick up anymore.

I'd be surprised if any of the front 3 leave, it might happen but I doubt it.

Ox is a waste of squad space but he no doubt likes his wages so might not leave .... Milner yes.

We won't see 6 to 8 new players come in for 2021/2022 season. No way.

fyfe79 · 22-01-2021 12:05PM

Is it time to move Fabinho back into midfield for good? I think we're missing him too much there.

Unless we sign a stop-gap CB this window (Sokratis?), then that would mean playing Matip with Philips/Williams, and then the 2 young lads together whenever Matip is unavailable.

It would mean that we're weak at CB but the current system is obviously not working anymore - our midfield is disrupted as well as our defence. By putting Fab back in midfield we're correcting the problems there at least. Instead of 0-0 draws or 1-0 defeats we might see 2-2 draws or 3-2 wins. A bit of a return to balls-out attacking football again, which Fab in midfield would massively help with.

The White Wolf · 22-01-2021 12:22PM

Walked into the shop there and 3 United fans in the midst of giving it loads. Day off ruined. :P

yourdeadwright · 22-01-2021 12:30PM

Origi miss was just such a kick in the teeth for us ,

awec · 22-01-2021 01:00PM

Augeo wrote: »

We need additional CBs ...... Matip can't be relied on and realistically Gomez has horrendous luck in picking up serious injuries. That might take it's toll even if he doesn't pick up anymore.

I'd be surprised if any of the front 3 leave, it might happen but I doubt it.

Ox is a waste of squad space but he no doubt likes his wages so might not leave .... Milner yes.

We won't see 6 to 8 new players come in for 2021/2022 season. No way.

A CB who can also play RB, and a forward who can take either Salah or Mane's place.

22-01-2021 01:17PM

It's insanely competitive for top4...... 19 games played we're 4th, 4 points off Leicester who are 3rd.

Spurs are a point below us but a game in hand, Everton are 2 points below us but have two games in hand :eek:

West Ham have the same pts as Everton.

2 pts above West Ham after 19 games is sh1t tbh ........

facehugger99 · 22-01-2021 01:19PM

Osmosis Jones wrote: »

Wouldn't normally make a whole post criticising one player but Mane hasn't looked himself for a while now, he killed so many attacks tonight. Every time he gets the ball he just freezes, including when the pass to him has come on the back of 3 or 4 quick ones in a free flowing move.

I noticed this last night and it was infuriating.

It's like he was constantly and deliberately giving the Burnley defense time to get themselves into a proper shape.

Usually when one of the front 3 has lost form, the other 2 have stepped up. We've never seen the 3 of them go off the boil like this for so long before. We look like we can't buy a goal at the moment.

MD1990 · 22-01-2021 02:01PM

i think both Mane & Salah have lost a yard of pace.

Something i noticed in Salah last season in particular.

Look at Man City last few games. Get half a yard of pace & then a pull back.

brevity · 22-01-2021 02:18PM

They are all shattered both mentally and physically.

The new signings have been injured and are not able to integrate to the existing squad because a lot of them have been injured too.

Need a bit of luck over the next few games. Get to the summer and see what’s what.

BorneTobyWilde · 22-01-2021 02:21PM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

People need to chill out ,
Questing the manger is bizzare ,

We are in really poor form and that may continue for a while but its because of injury/covid
There is no long term problems here,

We are still dominating games we just ,missing the final ball and finish,
if Jota was fir or we had better back up than Origig and Taki we would be fine ,

It'll be a struggle this season but long term I wouldn't be concerned,

Except on paper we look AMAZING.

Same last night, stats are incredible. Pope made world class saves.

On another day we win 3-1 easily. It was the same with United, Southampton, Newcastle, West Brom .. every game 75% or thereabouts of the ball, and in every game failed to take GREAT chances.

How can a team that is so dominant over all others not be winning. This is a freakish set of results, nothing more.

citytillidie · 22-01-2021 02:38PM

We have lost the tag of the unbearable ones I see

jebidiah · 22-01-2021 02:43PM

MD1990 wrote: »

i think both Mane & Salah have lost a yard of pace.

Something i noticed in Salah last season in particular.

Look at Man City last few games. Get half a yard of pace & then a pull back.

Salah had a sprint in the United game that was top notch if I recall correctly. I don't think its pace, its just general lack of confidence and poor decision making. He cant seem to control the ball at his feet in the box though

rob316 · 22-01-2021 02:51PM

citytillidie wrote: »

We have lost the tag of the unbearable ones I see

Meh ill be willing on City anyway. ABU

1o059k7ewrqj3n · 22-01-2021 03:01PM

It always makes my heart swell with joy and pride to know how much our recent success has pissed off others.

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Utopia Parkway · 22-01-2021 03:16PM

MD1990 wrote: »

i think both Mane & Salah have lost a yard of pace.

Hard to say. Teams are sitting so deep there is very little space to run into. Salah invariably tries to dribble past 2 or 3 defenders in a tight area. Maybe teams will have a go against us now in upcoming games and there may be more space available. Will tell us if they have slowed down or not.

SlickRic · 22-01-2021 03:18PM

willabur wrote: »

anyone else getting Klopp at dortmund towards the end vibe i.e. an inexplicable fall off the edge of a cliff turn in form

no.

He was pilfered for many of his best assets at Dortmund.

this is different.

i see why the comparison is being made, but I don't see it yet.

The White Wolf · 22-01-2021 03:21PM

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

Hard to say. Teams are sitting so deep there is very little space to run into. Salah invariably tries to dribble past 2 or 3 defenders in a tight area. Maybe teams will have a go against us now in upcoming games and there may be more space available. Will tell us if they have slowed down or not.

I wish he would stop that sh1t.

SlickRic · 22-01-2021 03:30PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

How can a team that is so dominant over all others not be winning. This is a freakish set of results, nothing more.

It's not completely freakish.

Klopp put it perfectly. 90% of the game is getting into the position to put in a telling final ball or shot to score. we're doing that ok. It's that final bit that we're abysmal at.

it's not unlucky. it's just plain bad.

but they're not bad players. it can only be confidence. someone had a clip of Mané up, and he's a perfect illustration. he's not attacking. he made one telling attack to the byline yesterday in almost the 90th minute, and it resulted in the Firmino flick that came off the line. Mané is far too happy to just take the ball, slow it down, assess option, hit it back inside, and we're attacking a 7ft wall again.

22-01-2021 03:43PM

SlickRic wrote: »

no.

He was pilfered for many of his best assets at Dortmund.

this is different.

i see why the comparison is being made, but I don't see it yet.

Indeed, it's injuries for us this season, not much more tbh. We are of course underperforming but he'll sort that.

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