Liverpool FC Team Talk, Gossip, Rumours 2020/2021

Kristopherus · 22-01-2021 01:01AM

Shanee. wrote: »

Win the next 19 and we retain the title. Easy

Fat chance of that happening,based on tonight's performance. Though, having said that, if they do what they should in a decent number of games, they might very well retain title.

Shanee. · 22-01-2021 01:15AM

Kristopherus wrote: »

Fat chance of that happening,based on tonight's performance. Though, having said that, if they do what they should in a decent number of games, they might very well retain title.

One can only hope. Halfway there, if we turn things around who knows what can happen - this season will go down as the most bizzare in history

Osmosis Jones · 22-01-2021 01:21AM

Wouldn't normally make a whole post criticising one player but Mane hasn't looked himself for a while now, he killed so many attacks tonight. Every time he gets the ball he just freezes, including when the pass to him has come on the back of 3 or 4 quick ones in a free flowing move.

Muahahaha · 22-01-2021 01:23AM

Id be confident enough we will turn things around but lots of work needed on the training ground and by the time it pays off it will be too late for a title challenge, in fact after tonight it already is really because City have got themselves together and have a string of easy fixtures.

Would really like to know if Trents drop off is anything to do with him getting covid, the two events seem linked in some way. Not all people recover immediately or fully from it.

Negative_G · 22-01-2021 01:24AM

Really missed Henderson's 'energy' and range of passing tonight. Could have been a game changer.

bdmc5 · 22-01-2021 01:32AM

ankles wrote: »

Hope you don't mind, United fan dropping in. Strange league, United have no form really either and are eking out results despite a completely non-functioning forward line. Liverpool have had a couple of injuries but it's a form thing really. Ultimately Pool are still the better team but it's a **** season and I'd say Covid is hitting all sorts of people, more than we know I'd say. In all honesty it's wide open for City. But a limping contest this season. Anyway good to be back in proper competition with ye, it's been a while

Liverpool have to deal with a more than a couple of injuries. All 3 senior defenders have missed the majority of season, 2 of those down for whole lot of it. Add in Thiago missing 15 games , Keiita , Trent ,Jota. I could go on. It’s has a catastrophic impact on the team.

We playing midfielders in defence and have absolutely no rhythm. You put a talisman like VVD back into the team and Fabinho and Henderson back in midfield with Thiago supporting Jota , Salah and Mane who were red hot and it’s a different proposition.

Imagine Fernandes, Bailly, Linderof and Maguire out for most of season to date. On the other hand klopp sold lovern without a replacement and still no CB now in this window which could cost us CL football if we don’t address it . I don’t think Liverpool will be the a team you have to worry about for league at this rate but Man City who themselves are without their 2 most important players so huge opportunity for united

Muahahaha · 22-01-2021 01:58AM

Osmosis Jones wrote: »

Wouldn't normally make a whole post criticising one player but Mane hasn't looked himself for a while now, he killed so many attacks tonight. Every time he gets the ball he just freezes, including when the pass to him has come on the back of 3 or 4 quick ones in a free flowing move.

He's definitely out of sorts lately. One of his greatest tricks is to nutmeg a defender and get around him to burst into the box, he is arguably the best in the league at doing this but he just cant seem to pull it off lately. Meanwhile Salah seems to keep running the ball into the heels of defenders while trying to run through them and the attack breaks down.

Confidence is a strange thing in football, when players dont have it they seem to make even worse decisions in an effort to make up for previous poor ones, its a downward spiraling circle. We just need a scabby 1-0 to begin the journey back to some shade of confidence within the team.

BorneTobyWilde · 22-01-2021 02:00AM

It's just form, don't need rebuilding. The team at the top is rotating every 6 games, if we found form in last 6 games of season we'd probably win it. Could be a blessing this. Spurs were leading the way few games back, then us, then Leicester, then City, then United.
Very much a 3 Mile Chase over many fences. We haven't fallen yet.

Trey13 · 22-01-2021 02:32AM

United fan (I come in peace). From the outside looking in I think the age profile of the team does look quite old. Salah Bobby Mane all late 20s and a lot of football under the belt over the last 3 years or so. Then you’ve got Wijnaldum, Henderson, Thiago all in their 30s. Even bit part Milner looks like he’s lost his legs.

You’ve been very unlucky with injuries but I think there are greater concerns that form there.

Football is a strange game. Liverpool have been the best team in Europe over the last 3 years and all of a sudden that level has evaporated. One European cup and one league title is a good return for this team though.

dogbert27 · 22-01-2021 06:44AM

Burnley. I fxxxxng hate playing Burnley.

The draw with them last July stopped the chance to break the 100 points and now they end the 4 year unbeaten run at Anfield.

As much as people are blaming the CB situation it's the form of the front three that is our problem. Osmosis did a great highlight of Mane.

He looks a shadow of the player playing with swagger to his game.

I'm giving up on expecting a reaction from the team right now as It hasn't happened since the Fulham game which should have been the wake up call to something not being right.

ThunbergsAreGo · 22-01-2021 07:25AM

Ottoman_1000 wrote: »

lads it was 100% a peno....if we were denied one like that there would be blue murder cried!!!

With the ball gone and not under control?

Like when Mane was taken out in the process of putting it over the bar 10 mins earlier?

Bill Ponderosa · 22-01-2021 08:30AM

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

With the ball gone and not under control?

Like when Mane was taken out in the process of putting it over the bar 10 mins earlier?

Nah it was a definite peno, just a rush of blood to the head from Alisson, you come off your line like that you have to win the ball, simples.

ThunbergsAreGo · 22-01-2021 08:44AM

Bill Ponderosa wrote: »

Nah it was a definite peno, just a rush of blood to the head from Alisson, you come off your line like that you have to win the ball, simples.

As a glutton for punishment, I just watched it back, where exactly is the contact?

You think there is contact from certain angles but then the next angle shows there wasnt etc.

Cyrus · 22-01-2021 08:55AM

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

As a glutton for punishment, I just watched it back, where exactly is the contact?

You think there is contact from certain angles but then the next angle shows there wasnt etc.

Was var involved? I didn’t see much contact on the replays so was expecting a var review .

SlickRic · 22-01-2021 09:01AM

I've thought about the team more after this setback than I have probably any other recently. It was that stark a result and performance.

City hammer these 5-0 every season at home. They're not a good team. They're awkward, big and direct. That's literally it. And they don't pretend to be anything else.

There is obviously something very wrong right now. But I do believe we have been at the end of a mental set of circumstances, and we simply haven't been able to overcome it. This is not an excuse. We should be better. But it is the reason, I believe, for this inexplicable slump in form.

Losing VVD and Gomez for an almost unfair amount of time. VVD for that tackle.

Klopp's football demands emotion. We miss the fans. I know other teams miss fans, but we have to call it as it is. A lot of this team's mojo comes from the emotion it has generated.

Our 2 signings, bought to rejuvenate the squad, have had unfortunate seasons. Thiago didn't play for months because of that infamous derby. And now he's having to try and lift a team that is out of form, and where he can't even play alongside our normal midfield because of our lack of personnel in defence. Jota has been great, but has now been injured for months.

Trent, arguably our most creative outlet, is playing like a pub player all of a sudden. Honestly. His head is gone. For a genius passer on his day, some of his execution has destroyed us.

All of our front 3 out of form at once, which has never happened.

It's all adversity that we just haven't overcome.

theoneeyedman · 22-01-2021 09:02AM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

It's just form, don't need rebuilding. The team at the top is rotating every 6 games, if we found form in last 6 games of season we'd probably win it. Could be a blessing this. Spurs were leading the way few games back, then us, then Leicester, then City, then United.
Very much a 3 Mile Chase over many fences. We haven't fallen yet.

Stumbled but not fallen.

4 points behind a City team coming into form isn't good. Personally, I don't think we'll pass them given our form, but we'll catch and pass United, mark my words.

SlickRic · 22-01-2021 09:04AM

Bill Ponderosa wrote: »

Nah it was a definite peno, just a rush of blood to the head from Alisson, you come off your line like that you have to win the ball, simples.

Barnes wasn't touched.

That penalty will always be given to any team, because it just looks like a penalty in every way. They're so close, and Alisson is diving out. It just looks a penalty.

But Alisson genuinely never tripped him.

It's only obvious when you see the close up replays.

yourdeadwright · 22-01-2021 09:05AM

theoneeyedman wrote: »

Stumbled but not fallen.

4 points behind a City team coming into form isn't good. Personally, I don't think we'll pass them given our form, but we'll catch and pass United, mark my words.

We will finish 10 or more points behind United
Living in cukcoo lans if u think well go past them now

SlickRic · 22-01-2021 09:05AM

theoneeyedman wrote: »

Stumbled but not fallen.

4 points behind a City team coming into form isn't good. Personally, I don't think we'll pass them given our form, but we'll catch and pass United, mark my words.

Not convinced we'll pass Utd.

Confidence is everything, and they have an awful lot of it.

The White Wolf · 22-01-2021 09:07AM

Say whatever about our centre back situation and how it's costing us men in midfield, but the same team hammered Palace just over a month ago. I mean what the **** has happened to them in that period. It's not as simple as our injury crisis anymore.

ThunbergsAreGo · 22-01-2021 09:13AM

SlickRic wrote: »

Barnes wasn't touched.

That penalty will always be given to any team, because it just looks like a penalty in every way. They're so close, and Alisson is diving out. It just looks a penalty.

But Alisson genuinely never tripped him.

It's only obvious when you see the close up replays.

Which should be why VAR catches it. Its a shambles of a system.

SlickRic · 22-01-2021 09:18AM

The White Wolf wrote: »

Say whatever about our centre back situation and how it's costing us men in midfield, but the same team hammered Palace just over a month ago. I mean what the **** has happened to them in that period. It's not as simple as our injury crisis anymore.

Palace was a red herring.

They were shít, and everything we hit went in.

The White Wolf · 22-01-2021 09:28AM

SlickRic wrote: »

Palace was a red herring.

They were shít, and everything we hit went in.

Careful now Ric it almost sounds as if you're saying this is our real form now and dismissing Leicester and Spurs was the anomaly. :pac:

We're struggling against the sh1t teams more than ever, that's what it comes down to and that's what Klopp has to solve.

SlickRic · 22-01-2021 09:35AM

The White Wolf wrote: »

Careful now Ric it almost sounds as if you're saying this is our real form now and dismissing Leicester and Spurs was the anomaly. :pac:

We're struggling against the sh1t teams more than ever, that's what it comes down to and that's what Klopp has to solve.

No, we played well in all those games.

When I say Palace was a red herring, I mean the scoreline and clinical nature of the victory was the red herring. That free scoring version of us hasn't really been around for a while. Sure, it isn't how we won the League.

yourdeadwright · 22-01-2021 09:40AM

Just on there penalty it was always going to be given but if you look at the incident it was no diffferent to the shot Mane hit wide when it was pulled back and then the defender clattered him after

Barnes touched the ball and it went high and wide and then fell over Alisson

awec · 22-01-2021 09:43AM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

It's just form, don't need rebuilding. The team at the top is rotating every 6 games, if we found form in last 6 games of season we'd probably win it. Could be a blessing this. Spurs were leading the way few games back, then us, then Leicester, then City, then United.
Very much a 3 Mile Chase over many fences. We haven't fallen yet.

Forgive me for saying it BorneTonyWilde, but you are deluded.

We won’t be in the mix with 6 games to go. We’re fighting for top 4 now.

We’re going to lose more games in the next month.

kingshankly · 22-01-2021 10:17AM

Anyone thinking this Liverpool team are in a title challenge are deluded I would say top 4 will be tight but hopefully it won’t take a huge points haul to make too 4

willabur · 22-01-2021 10:41AM

anyone else getting Klopp at dortmund towards the end vibe i.e. an inexplicable fall off the edge of a cliff turn in form

Harry Palmr · 22-01-2021 10:44AM

Maybe this squad is now beyond it's peak and is on the way down.

They've been foot to the floor without a (planned) break since this team's core was assembled. And when you've won everything that you really wanted to its hard to keep finding more.

Problem with decline is spotting it early. Maybe the rot has set in for a combination of reasons and that it'll be vital to shift a few bodies this summer -

Core players - Gini is off. One of the front three probably is.
Subs - Ox-Cham, Milner, Shaqiri, Origi

So that could be 6 players without looking too deeply!

Ikozma · 22-01-2021 10:59AM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Maybe this squad is now beyond it's peak and is on the way down.

They've been foot to the floor without a (planned) break since this team's core was assembled. And when you've won everything that you really wanted to its hard to keep finding more.

Problem with decline is spotting it early. Maybe the rot has set in for a combination of reasons and that it'll be vital to shift a few bodies this summer -

Core players - Gini is off. One of the front three probably is.
Subs - Ox-Cham, Milner, Shaqiri, Origi

So that could be 6 players without looking too deeply!

Yep I'd agree with this
This group of players gave us great times but I feel it's hit its peak and is clearly on the decline
Time to freshen things up i think

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