Liverpool FC Team Talk, Gossip, Rumours 2020/2021

21-01-2021 11:30PM

~Rebel~ wrote: »

...... Also referenced players making movements after the ball has been played in instead of before, to encourage the right ball.

Basic enough at this level.

razorblunt · 21-01-2021 11:32PM

StringerBell wrote: »

It is only half way through the season, 9/1 on Liverpool not a bad shout at all there folks.

True stick a tenner on and ... you’d lose the tenner.

martyos121 · 21-01-2021 11:32PM

~Rebel~ wrote: »

Interesting post match interview, taking the blame in a sense, while still pointing out what went wrong. Saying that when games like this happen it has to be because he didn't make things clear enough for what they should do and how they should play. Particularly sticking to the point of decision making, and the crossing. Also referenced players making movements after the ball has been played in instead of before, to encourage the right ball.

Which could also be taken as Klopp implying that his players aren’t smart enough or don’t listen to him enough, I fail to see how this is him taking the blame for it. It sounds much more like he’s laying the blame on the players and that if they followed his instructions down to a tee, that result wouldn’t have happened.

Now I’m only basing that off your post and the way you worded it, I didn’t catch the post match interview so if that’s not quite how he said it, I stand corrected.

~Rebel~ · 21-01-2021 11:32PM

Augeo wrote: »

Basic enough at this level.

It really is, and is so weird to watch. Lads static in the box while someone is standing outside, ball at their feet, just waiting for an option to open up.

All the regulars look more mentally drained than physically drained. Like it's too hard to keep mentally active throughout the 90 minutes. Robertson aside of the mainstays, who very notably is always watching and always moving to fill holes and give options.

Fromvert · 21-01-2021 11:33PM

~Rebel~ wrote: »

Interesting post match interview, Klopp really sticking to the point of decision making. Especially the crossing, and players making movements after the ball has been played in instead of before, to encourage the right ball.

We move the ball from back to front so slowly by the time we get to the final third the opposition are set. There is now no space to run into or play balls into. This leads to us faffing about 25 yards from goal going slowly side to side, get a full back open and cross it to someone who is giving up 6 inches in height. Ball gets cleared and we do the same again.

And when we do break forward at pace our strikers are not making the defenders actually defend. They don't drive into the box to make him make a challenge or go outside him. They stop and turn around, bringing the game to a snails pace again.

Our pattern of play is known and teams aren't going to come out and press us where they know we want to be pressed. We need to modify our style to beat them but we aren't and that's on everyone involved. There's always 3,4,5 passes too many between the CBs, CMs and FBs in the middle and our third of the pitch. It's like they're waiting for the opposition to press and leave space but those days are long gone, the opposition retreats and is happy that we're taking those extra passes.

doc_17 · 21-01-2021 11:33PM

klose wrote: »

????

We didn’t sign a player that made our starting 11 better. I think that’s fairly obvious?

rob316 · 21-01-2021 11:34PM

Gerrard has the SPL title wrapped up let's give him his dream job. First manager to win the SPL and EPL in the same season.

yourdeadwright · 21-01-2021 11:34PM

I think the player have suffered from the Club not biying a CB
The players know and understand its a struggle every week to get to fit players to play there,
Not going and helping then out must have a mental effect

SlickRic · 21-01-2021 11:34PM

Burnley didn't deserve to win. But we certainly deserved to lose.

Inept.
Lifeless.
Unimaginative.
Boring.

How the team can be so fúcking thick as to continue to lob the ball into Burnley's giants is fúcking beyond me.

How the team can be so fúcking sapped of confidence in the space of a couple of games is insane. Like, insane. It shows how fragile the human psyche actually is.

Tonight was a disgusting performance. Absolutely fúcking disgusting.

I'm not going to get on Fabinho or Alisson for the goal. Fabinho is trying to keep the back afloat, and Alisson has performed some miracles recently.

The decision making in the final third is fúcking inexplicable. Mind boggling. The worst I've seen in years.

My head honestly fúcking hurts trying to work out how we've become so fúcking shíte seemingly so fúcking quickly.

Agent Coulson · 21-01-2021 11:35PM

WOW the first sack Klopp is there.

McFly85 · 21-01-2021 11:36PM

doc_17 wrote: »

We didn’t sign a player that made our starting 11 better. I think that’s fairly obvious?

We certainly did, and we missed him up front tonight.

rob316 · 21-01-2021 11:37PM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

WOW the first sack Klopp is there.

I really think sarcasm is lost on you.

Ardent · 21-01-2021 11:38PM

I think a lack of confidence is the root cause of our issues. We will turn this around, no doubt, but clearly the damage has already been done in the league.

celt262 · 21-01-2021 11:38PM

super_furry wrote: »

Indeed. But they're not travelling around Europe unvaccinated are they?

Some are yes.

sReq | uTeK · 21-01-2021 11:38PM

I know liverpool fans are stating CB is the problem but... you don't seem to be shipping many goals, its clearly in the business end of the pitch that the spark is gone.

DrumSteve · 21-01-2021 11:40PM

Tbf if Salah is looking for a move he's not doing himself any favours

Ardent · 21-01-2021 11:41PM

Anyone seen the footage of Klopp following Dyche down the tunnel and tearing strips off him? Never seen him so angry. Wonder what he was saying...

Fromvert · 21-01-2021 11:41PM

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

I know liverpool fans are stating CB is the problem but... you don't seem to be shipping many goals, its clearly in the business end of the pitch that the spark is gone.

The team have slowed down and are more concerned with keeping the ball. We keep the ball, they can't score right? Yeah kind of but now you're taking no chances with the ball and we're playing extra passes all over the pitch to protect what's behind. There's no speed to anything, no chances even taken by our forwards by running at their man. Everything is safe and slow.

~Rebel~ · 21-01-2021 11:43PM

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

I know liverpool fans are stating CB is the problem but... you don't seem to be shipping many goals, its clearly in the business end of the pitch that the spark is gone.

Everything that happens on a football field is connected. If your defence is weakened, everything in front of them becomes a little more conservative to keep things tight, which means less sweeping forward at speed. And it doesn't help that one of our most influential midfielders is back at CB either. Really miss Fabinho's presence around the opposition box when they're penned in. Great man for drawing a player to make space, beating him, or just holding him off and playing a good ball inside. Or as another example, Trent is significantly less effective when his starting position is 10-20 yards deeper. Think of where VVD's long diag's normally find him, already past the halfway line, and launching a counter from practically on the edge of the oppositions final 3rd. Everything takes an extra 5 seconds to get to that stage now, and the opening is closed.

The forwards form is of course a huge problem in and of itself, but the bigger picture problems are all a chain reaction that starts with compensating for weak links elsewhere.

Calvin · 21-01-2021 11:44PM

3 points in our last 15 games... ****in dreadful. Our mojo is lost, defence can’t defend, attack can’t attack. Mentality problem? Maybe. We’ve been playing at the very top of our game for 3 years.. run out of steam eventually, just didn’t think it’d be like this.

mightyreds · 21-01-2021 11:44PM

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

I know liverpool fans are stating CB is the problem but... you don't seem to be shipping many goals, its clearly in the business end of the pitch that the spark is gone.

Yeah 78% possession but that's about all, they actually moved the ball around the burnley left about 65 minutes in and created a couple of chances out on the right for salah but don't do enough of moving players around, they will let them sit in the box and try cross it over and over. City will play their triangles up front and have players making runs and moving defenders we play ours lately in the space between midfield and the box the give up and cross it.

Osmosis Jones · 21-01-2021 11:46PM

I'd be more inclined to take on the analysis of those that watch every week over those that only show up after a bad result.

The CB issues extend further forward as it removes Fabinho from the midfield and causes the rest of the team to behave more cautiously in attack due to concern about what stands behind them.

Plasandrunt · 21-01-2021 11:48PM

They've done a great job and gotten rightfully praised but Klopp, Edwards and the moneymen have seriously dropped the ball by not bringing a CB in as soon as Van Djik and Gomez went down and Matip as solid as pile of leaves. Should have been sorted to have one come in even as a stopgap on the 1st of January.

Henderson and Fabinho have done great filling in but they're our two best midfielders and now we're left with Thiago who is an absolute liability defensively, Wijnaldum who might aswell be also be at the Nou Camp already, Jones who has floundered and the likes of Shaqiri/Chamberlain who are basically empty shirts.

Ken Tucky · 21-01-2021 11:49PM

I've watched some painful Liverpool squads over the years but I don't remember anything quite like the clueless plan of attack at the moment. Why would you come out against us at the moment.
We should flip it, stay on the edge of our box and invite teams onto us. Might get a bit of space then and at least we wouldn't have to witness Trent trying to hit the opposition players with ball.
But seriously, now is the time for support. It's tough but it's the way we do things....YNWA

BorneTobyWilde · 21-01-2021 11:52PM

Last 9 games
Scored 15, Conceded 5
And this is the mess we're in

United
Scored 17, Conceded 8
Top of the league

It's like it's a curse.

Osmosis Jones · 21-01-2021 11:53PM

Plasandrunt wrote: »

They've done a great job and gotten rightfully praised but Klopp, Edwards and the moneymen have seriously dropped the ball by not bringing a CB in as soon as Van Djik and Gomez went down and Matip as solid as pile of leaves. Should have been sorted to have one come in even as a stopgap on the 1st of January.

Henderson and Fabinho have done great filling in but they're our two best midfielders and now we're left with Thiago who is an absolute liability defensively, Wijnaldum who might aswell be also be at the Nou Camp already, Jones who has floundered and the likes of Shaqiri/Chamberlain who are basically empty shirts.

Does nobody know who Thiago is? Defensive liability? He's been a good defender ever since early days at Bayern. I swear just because he's short everybody thinks he's some lightweight #10.

SlickRic · 21-01-2021 11:54PM

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

I know liverpool fans are stating CB is the problem but... you don't seem to be shipping many goals, its clearly in the business end of the pitch that the spark is gone.

Our attack lives off sustained pressure and chance creation.

Because we can't press high without speed at the back, we don't create sustained pressure, and so don't create the same quality of chances as we used to.

There is no doubt the spark at the front is gone. You're not wrong. But there is also a wider issue at play. Now that we've been robbed of a plan A that has served us so well; now that we can't press like normal, overloading the top of the pitch in the knowledge that we can cover 2 on 2 at the back, can we beat teams other ways?

The answer is an emphatic no right now.

awec · 21-01-2021 11:55PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Last 9 games
Scored 15, Conceded 5
And this is the mess we're in

United
Scored 17, Conceded 8
Top of the league

It's like it's a curse.

This is a silly statistic.

7/15 of those goals came in 1 game.

ebbsy · 21-01-2021 11:55PM

I told you lads Origi was ****e and should not have started.

Osmosis Jones · 21-01-2021 11:56PM

ebbsy wrote: »

I told you lads Origi was ****e and should not have started.

Firmino hit it 10 yards wide from 10 yards out.

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