Ireland to ban Menthol Cigarettes and Rolling Tobacco from May

bodhrandude · 20-01-2021 5:07am #1

has anyone seen this report before that Ireland is banning menthol cigarettes and rolling tobacco from May. There's a lot of rollie smokers out there, how are they going to police this, like especially if we get out of this pandemic, people will just buy tobacco overseas and bring it in to the country. (I just realised now that its from March last year)

https://www.neweurope.eu/article/ire...acco-from-may/

Hellotonever · 20-01-2021 5:12am

This is some nanny state crap.

Quantum Erasure · 20-01-2021 5:14am

Thats Menthol,

: rolleyes :

Qwertyminger · 20-01-2021 5:25am

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/menthol-tobacco-ban-must-be-enforced-by-each-member-state-brussels-says-1.4431216?mode=amp

They're not banning rolling tobacco outright, just the menthol variety.

Just suck a polo mint while you're smoking. Although it is totalitarian bollocks to ban it.

scudzilla · 20-01-2021 5:35am

There's a workaround, Rizla are doing polar blast filter tips that are normal filters, squeeze the end and crack the yoke inside and they're menthol.
This was supposed to come in last may

Rubberchikken · 20-01-2021 5:35am

I wish all cigarettes were banned.
A more disgusting legal habit I can't think of.
It costs the state millions every year dealing with the effects of smoking and why we non smoking tax payers should be contributing towards smokers care is beyond me.

scudzilla · 20-01-2021 5:37am

Rubberchikken wrote: »

I wish all cigarettes were banned.
A more disgusting legal habit I can't think of.
It costs the state millions every year dealing with the effects of smoking and why we non smoking tax payers should be contributing towards smokers care is beyond me.

Brilliant, so if all tobacco was banned and everyone in the country quit over night you'd be happy.

Be a good few years before the HSE seen any major difference but the loss to the economy would be overnight.

People like you would soon be begging smokers to start again when you're income tax goes up by 5/10% to cover the shortfall

20-01-2021 6:46am

Rubberchikken wrote: »

I wish all cigarettes were banned.
A more disgusting legal habit I can't think of.
It costs the state millions every year dealing with the effects of smoking and why we non smoking tax payers should be contributing towards smokers care is beyond me.

Obesity is far worse.

Grab All Association · 20-01-2021 8:04am

Rubberchikken wrote: »

I wish all cigarettes were banned.
A more disgusting legal habit I can't think of.
It costs the state millions every year dealing with the effects of smoking and why we non smoking tax payers should be contributing towards smokers care is beyond me.

Over €1bn raised in taxes and duties on tobacco The smokers are not only covering their own costs, but funding the HSE. As mentioned above obesity is far worse. €1.1 billion cost to the state. T2 diabetes is a completely reversible condition.

20-01-2021 8:07am

Rubberchikken wrote: »

I wish all cigarettes were banned.
A more disgusting legal habit I can't think of.
It costs the state millions every year dealing with the effects of smoking and why we non smoking tax payers should be contributing towards smokers care is beyond me.

Smokers contribute far more to your care than you do to theirs. You’d be sobbing into your pillow any your tax bill if everyone gave up tomorrow.

Cookie_Monster · 20-01-2021 8:27am

Grab All Association wrote: »

Over €1bn raised in taxes and duties on tobacco The smokers are not only covering their own costs, but funding the HSE.

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Smokers contribute far more to your care than you do to theirs.

ah, go on then, so.
proof of claim?

B.A._Baracus · 20-01-2021 9:25am

Rubberchikken wrote: »

I wish all cigarettes were banned.
A more disgusting legal habit I can't think of.
It costs the state millions every year dealing with the effects of smoking and why we non smoking tax payers should be contributing towards smokers care is beyond me.

Posts like these and even people like you annoy me. Anytime smoking is mentioned you get a hard on and say how you would love to see them banned. Yet your vision is so narrowed you cannot see past your own personal hate - such as the above mentioned 1 billion in tax gone ironically in a poof of smoke. You also fail to see that the government would look to other forms of taxation (of you!) to recoup those loses should they are never ban smokes.

Ps,
The "I'm paying for smokers in hospital" is an often over used wa*k of a line. Yes people in receipt of the medial card who have smoking related illness are being paid for by you, me and every other tax payer. But thousands of people out there who smoke and work. They ain't getting any free healthcare.

ILoveYourVibes · 20-01-2021 9:29am

Very stupid.

Cee-Jay-Cee · 20-01-2021 9:38am

Grab All Association wrote: »

Over €1bn raised in taxes and duties on tobacco The smokers are not only covering their own costs, but funding the HSE. As mentioned above obesity is far worse. €1.1 billion cost to the state. T2 diabetes is a completely reversible condition.

Imagine the tax take if they were to reduce the VAT and excise on cigarettes to make them more affordable and closer in price to the smuggled cigarettes. They could probably take in another 1/2 billion in taxes but they’d rather keep them extortionately priced and drive a huge % of the population into buying smuggled fags (although I’d imagine due to the pandemic smuggled fags aren’t as readily available as previous)

Fr Tod Umptious · 20-01-2021 9:52am

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

Imagine the tax take if they were to reduce the VAT and excise on cigarettes to make them more affordable and closer in price to the smuggled cigarettes. They could probably take in another 1/2 billion in taxes but they’d rather keep them extortionately priced and drive a huge % of the population into buying smuggled fags (although I’d imagine due to the pandemic smuggled fags aren’t as readily available as previous)

Well all that would happen there is that the smuggled price will go down because they need to get their market back, and thus the government will be left with less revenue and the smuggling will not have gone away.

Alternatively the smuggling might stop because the price floor will be too low for them to make a decent profit.
But the government would still be less off because their excise is still less and the lack of smuggling will not make it up.

Lux23 · 20-01-2021 9:54am

I remember when people called the smoking ban a nanny state action. Plus the sale of menthol smokes tobacco has been banned since May, so if this is new to you, you must not have been affected too much by the ban!

raven41 · 20-01-2021 10:53am

Not a smoker, never have been and no intention of taking up the habit. To me its another example (minimum pricing of alcohol is another) of the government slowly but surely tinkering with society and in the process, slowly removing peoples freedom. Everyone knows that they're bad for you, but instead of waving the metaphorical finger at people and telling them they are bold boys and girls, why not accept the fact that sometimes people engage in habits that are detrimental to their health, bearing in mind everyone knows the risks at this stage.
I expect to see more changes coming down the line on the basis that they are "for our own good".
More nanny state crap...

Bobblehats · 20-01-2021 11:15am

I think if someone went so far as to do that, I’d probably be so at my wits end as to murder them entirely.

Haraldkare · 20-01-2021 11:23am

It would be counterintuitive to ban tobacco. People will still be able to get tobacco, but instead of regulated tobacco it will be any sawdust thrown together in the black market. It would lead to more healthcare spending.

Timberrrrrrrr · 20-01-2021 11:27am

Rubberchikken wrote: »

I wish all cigarettes were banned.
A more disgusting legal habit I can't think of.
it costs the state millions every year dealing with the effects of smoking and why we non smoking tax payers should be contributing towards smokers care is beyond me.

Do you enjoy a pint? Would you also e in favour of banning all alcohol products too because that also costs the state millions every year.

srsly78 · 20-01-2021 11:33am

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

ah, go on then, so.
proof of claim?

It's a complex analysis, but a point to consider is that smokers die young and actually save the state a lot of money in pension/healthcare compared to a non-smoker that lives for a long time after retirement.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26242225/

The calculation varies depending on country/tax-rate/pension/lifespan etc.

20-01-2021 11:37am

srsly78 wrote: »

It's a complex analysis, but a point to consider is that smokers die young and actually save the state a lot of money in pension/healthcare compared to a non-smoker that lives for a long time after retirement.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26242225/

The calculation varies depending on country/tax-rate/pension/lifespan etc.

Show that to your family when you're dying of lung cancer

They'll think you're a great lad.

srsly78 · 20-01-2021 11:38am

BrownFinger wrote: »

Show that to your family when you're dying of lung cancer
They'll think you're a great lad.

How is that relevant to an actuarial calculation over millions of people?

Parabellum9 · 20-01-2021 11:39am

Rubberchikken wrote: »

I wish all cigarettes were banned.
A more disgusting legal habit I can't think of.
It costs the state millions every year dealing with the effects of smoking and why we non smoking tax payers should be contributing towards smokers care is beyond me.

There’s another habit you should really take up - it’s called minding your own business.

Brian? · 20-01-2021 5:22pm

Rubberchikken wrote: »

I wish all cigarettes were banned.
A more disgusting legal habit I can't think of.
It costs the state millions every year dealing with the effects of smoking and why we non smoking tax payers should be contributing towards smokers care is beyond me.

That’s works so well for heroin and cocaine. Making them illegal has completely wiped out the problem. It’s wonderful.

razorblunt · 20-01-2021 5:31pm

Methols? No. They were my favourite mints. Hopefully Fox's Silvermints remain unaffected.

Wilhelm III · 20-01-2021 5:35pm

Smokers should be encouraged to stop, and be given as much help as they need to stop - but THAT, is precisely where the line should stop.

aziz · 20-01-2021 6:20pm

Parabellum9 wrote: »

There’s another habit you should really take up - it’s called minding your own business.

Reminds me off a great comment I heard in a smoking area of a pub.
A fella sitting at a table having a pint and a smoke when another man came out and sat at the table across from him

“Don’t you know those things will kill you “

“Well my grandfather lived to be 96”

“Oh,was he a smoker “

“ no, he knew how to mind his own business “

😷

jimmycrackcorm · 20-01-2021 6:28pm

scudzilla wrote: »

People like you would soon be begging smokers to start again when you're income tax goes up by 5/10% to cover the shortfall

Grab All Association wrote: »

Over €1bn raised in taxes and duties on tobacco The smokers are not only covering their own costs, but funding the HSE.

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Smokers contribute far more to your care than you do to theirs. You’d be sobbing into your pillow any your tax bill if everyone gave up tomorrow.

It's almost as if people currently spending money currently on Tobacco would just suddenly use Euro notes in their fireplaces.

Better also to get rid of public transport because of the losses in fuel taxes.

aziz · 20-01-2021 6:28pm

One thing that bugs me as a smoker is why I can only buy something that’s bad for me in larger amounts.

I used to buy a 15g packet of tobacco and I could get a week out of it.

Now I can only buy a 30g pack but would tend to go through it in a week

bo0li5eumx12kp · 20-01-2021 7:22pm

Rubberchikken wrote: »

I wish all cigarettes were banned.
A more disgusting legal habit I can't think of.
It costs the state millions every year dealing with the effects of smoking and why we non smoking tax payers should be contributing towards smokers care is beyond me.

It's a vital social crutch for soooooo many.

Ireland to ban Menthol Cigarettes and Rolling Tobacco from May

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