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    #2462
    Number 137
    Registered Users Posts: 274 ✭✭Number 137


    Anybody know the heights, weights and years of birth of the following players?

    Eoin de Buitlear
    Darragh Murray
    Donnacha Byrne
    Hubert Costello
    Oisin McCormack
    Cathal Forde
    Shane Jennings

    Scott Buckley
    Alex Kendellen

    The first group of players are all in the Connacht Academy, with the remaining two in the Munster Academy. Any help would be appreciated.


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    #2463
    bayern
    Registered Users Posts: 1,024 ✭✭✭bayern


    Number 137 wrote: »
    Anybody know the heights, weights and years of birth of the following players?

    Eoin de Buitlear(2001)
    Darragh Murray(2001)
    Donnacha Byrne (2001)
    Hubert Costello(2001)
    Oisin McCormack(2001)
    Cathal Forde(2001)
    Shane Jennings(2001)

    Scott Buckley(2000)
    Alex Kendellen(2001)

    The first group of players are all in the Connacht Academy, with the remaining two in the Munster Academy. Any help would be appreciated.

    Year of birth.


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    #2464
    The Lost Sheep
    Registered Users Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    Number 137 wrote: »
    Anybody know the heights, weights and years of birth of the following players?

    Eoin de Buitlear
    Darragh Murray
    Donnacha Byrne
    Hubert Costello
    Oisin McCormack
    Cathal Forde
    Shane Jennings

    Scott Buckley
    Alex Kendellen

    The first group of players are all in the Connacht Academy, with the remaining two in the Munster Academy. Any help would be appreciated.
    The ages is easily found by checking recent provincial/national age grade sides and figuring out by that. Connacht havent listed weights on website so you wont likely find out.

    All are 2001s apart from Buckley who was born in 2000


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    #2465
    salmocab
    Registered Users Posts: 11,288 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    The ages is easily found by checking recent provincial/national age grade sides and figuring out by that. Connacht havent listed weights on website so you wont likely find out.

    All are 2001s apart from Buckley who was born in 2000
    Plus I’m not sure the websites are too accurate with height and weights anyway.


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    #2466
    bayern
    Registered Users Posts: 1,024 ✭✭✭bayern


    Possible Leinster academy next season?

    Prop
    Marcus Hanan(Clane RFC/Old Belvedere/U22)
    Jack Boyle(St. Michaels/UCD/U20)

    Hooker
    John McKee(Campbell/Old Belvedere/U22)
    Lee Barron(St. Michaels/DUFC/U21)

    Lock
    Brian Deeny(Wexford RFC/Clontarf/U22)
    Joe McCarthy(Blackrock/DUFC/U21)

    Backrow
    Martin Moloney(Athy RFC/Old Belvedere/U23)
    Sean O'Brien(Blackrock/UCD/U22)
    Alex Soroka(Belvedere/Clontarf/U21)
    Will Hickey(St. Michaels/UCD/U21)

    Scrumhalf
    Cormac Foley(St. Gerards/Lansdowne/U23)
    Rob Gilsenan(St. Michaels/UCD/U21)

    Outhalf
    Tim Corkery(Kilkenny RFC/UCD/U21)
    Charlie Tector(Kilkenny/Lansdowne/U20)

    Centre
    Marcus Kiely(Newbridge/Naas/U21)
    Karl Martin(Boyne RFC/Old Belvedere/U20)

    Back Three
    Andrew Smith(St. Michaels/Clontarf/U22)
    Max O'Reilly(St.Gerards/DUFC/U22)
    Niall Comerford(Blackrock/UCD/U22)
    Jamie Osborne(Naas RFC/U21)
    Chris Cosgrave(St. Michaels/UCD/U21)


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    #2467
    FrannoFan
    Registered Users Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭FrannoFan


    bayern wrote: »
    Possible Leinster academy next season?

    Prop
    Marcus Hanan(Clane RFC/Old Belvedere/U22)
    Jack Boyle(St. Michaels/UCD/U20)

    Hooker
    John McKee(Campbell/Old Belvedere/U22)
    Lee Barron(St. Michaels/DUFC/U21)

    Lock
    Brian Deeny(Wexford RFC/Clontarf/U22)
    Joe McCarthy(Blackrock/DUFC/U21)

    Backrow
    Martin Moloney(Athy RFC/Old Belvedere/U23)
    Sean O'Brien(Blackrock/UCD/U22)
    Alex Soroka(Belvedere/Clontarf/U21)
    Will Hickey(St. Michaels/UCD/U21)

    Scrumhalf
    Cormac Foley(St. Gerards/Lansdowne/U23)
    Rob Gilsenan(St. Michaels/UCD/U21)

    Outhalf
    Tim Corkery(Kilkenny RFC/UCD/U21)
    Charlie Tector(Kilkenny/Lansdowne/U20)

    Centre
    Marcus Kiely(Newbridge/Naas/U21)
    Karl Martin(Boyne RFC/Old Belvedere/U20)

    Back Three
    Andrew Smith(St. Michaels/Clontarf/U22)
    Max O'Reilly(St.Gerards/DUFC/U22)
    Niall Comerford(Blackrock/UCD/U22)
    Jamie Osborne(Naas RFC/U21)
    Chris Cosgrave(St. Michaels/UCD/U21)

    with so little rugby being played its very hard to select anyone to join in. Like Cosgrove was less and less impressive as he went through school. To say he justifies an academy spot is based on a sort of Tony Ward hype.
    hopefully some version of 20's happens but can't see it.


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    #2468
    bayern
    Registered Users Posts: 1,024 ✭✭✭bayern


    FrannoFan wrote: »
    with so little rugby being played its very hard to select anyone to join in. Like Cosgrove was less and less impressive as he went through school. To say he justifies an academy spot is based on a sort of Tony Ward hype.
    hopefully some version of 20's happens but can't see it.

    well they are working away weekly in the sub-academy, so all of them are being evaluated by coaches, leinster A play two games coming up and sub-academy will be involved.

    presumably there will be more rugby played in 2021.


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    #2469
    Locke_Lamora
    Registered Users Posts: 1,309 ✭✭✭Locke_Lamora


    Anyone you think won’t be given a pro contract by Leinster? Aaron O’Sullivan and Sylvester look like they might not make it in the backs. Martin Moloney hasn’t played a game yet which is surprising - I know Penny was the standout u20 player but I backed Moloney to overtake him at senior level. Is Charlie Ryan final year as well?


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    #2470
    bayern
    Registered Users Posts: 1,024 ✭✭✭bayern


    Locke_Lamora wrote: »
    Anyone you think won’t be given a pro contract by Leinster? Aaron O’Sullivan and Sylvester look like they might not make it in the backs. Martin Moloney hasn’t played a game yet which is surprising - I know Penny was the standout u20 player but I backed Moloney to overtake him at senior level. Is Charlie Ryan final year as well?

    Moloney has been injured non-stop since entering the academy, would be in year 3 next season.

    Ryan is Yr 2, I expect him to graduate early along with Liam Turner.

    Silvester looks like he is earning one at the moment, O'Sullivan? Who knows.. he is still only 20 and has been focusing on 7's until recently.

    Paddy Patterson may not get one.. but who knows what they are doing at 9.


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    #2471
    Dubinusa
    Registered Users Posts: 8,149 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    I think Hawkshaw, Milne and Sylvester get contracts.
    Charlie Ryan may get one too, but he's yet to feature.
    It would depend on who is released after this season. Money is going to be tight and some lads may move elsewhere.


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    #2472
    bayern
    Registered Users Posts: 1,024 ✭✭✭bayern


    Toner and Fardy are both likely finished with Leinster and CRyan will move up early.

    Clarkson and Milne will go up.

    Patterson probably won't unless one of HOS or Osborne leaves.

    Hawkshaw will.

    Turner might go early.

    Silvester probably will.

    O'Sullivan, who knows?


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    #2473
    Squidgy Black
    Registered Users Posts: 21,605 ✭✭✭✭Squidgy Black


    O'Sullivan's probably got more of a chance to get a 7s contract at this point to be honest.


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    #2474
    Bigdaave
    Registered Users Posts: 2 ✭Bigdaave


    Do you think they will add two outhalfs this year. I also thought the leinster clubs 10 Fionn o hara was a good prospect


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    #2475
    Squidgy Black
    Registered Users Posts: 21,605 ✭✭✭✭Squidgy Black


    Bigdaave wrote: »
    Do you think they will add two outhalfs this year. I also thought the leinster clubs 10 Fionn o hara was a good prospect

    Is O'Hara still playing? I know he was over in Australia for an AFL trial and played in the Westmeath SFC for St Lomans a couple months back.


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    #2476
    bayern
    Registered Users Posts: 1,024 ✭✭✭bayern


    Bigdaave wrote: »
    Do you think they will add two outhalfs this year. I also thought the leinster clubs 10 Fionn o hara was a good prospect

    He is still in school.. seems he has yet to make a decision on what sport he will play once finished school.

    Think he is a bigger prospect as an athlete certainly someone leinster would love to have stick with the sport and develop.


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    #2477
    bayern
    Registered Users Posts: 1,024 ✭✭✭bayern


    https://www.rugbypass.com/news/this-is-the-best-schoolboy-rugby-xv-in-the-world-in-2020-nextgenxv/

    NextGenXV are specialists in schoolboy rugby content, and after many hours of deliberation and discussion, they have picked this team as their schoolboy XV for 2020.

    15) Ajay Faleafaga (St Peters/New Zealand)
    14) Curwin Gertse (Paarl Gim/South Africa)
    13) Jack Howarth (Brisbane Boys/Australia)
    12) Mambo Mkhize (Westville/South Africa)
    11) Joseph Suaalii (Kings Parramatta/Australia)
    10) Sacha Mngomezulu (Bishops/South Africa)
    9) Noah Hotham (Hamilton Boys/New Zealand)
    8) Carwyn Tuipulotu (Sedbergh/Wales)
    7) Emeka Ilione – (Rugby School/England)
    6) Zac Hough (Brisbane Boys/Australia)
    5) Allen Craig (St Kents/New Zealand)
    4) Connor Evans (Bishops/South Africa)
    3) Fin Baxter (Wellington/England)
    2) Archie Vanes ( Brooksby Melton College/England)
    1) Jack Boyle (St Michaels/Ireland)
    16) Finau Halafihi (Auckland Grammar/New Zealand)
    17) Phil Brantingham (RGS Newcastle/England)
    18) Seb Lombard (Paarl Boys/South Africa)
    19) Christ Tshizuna (Whitchurch/Wales)
    20) Ben Muncaster (Rugby School/Scotland)
    21) Nico Steyn (Glenwood/South Africa)
    22 Charlie Atkinson (Abingdon/England)
    23) Dan John (Millfield/Wales)


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    #2478
    arsebiscuits1
    Registered Users Posts: 3,520 ✭✭✭arsebiscuits1


    Interesting list. Especially profiling such young players.

    Reckon Jack Boyle is there as a bit of tokenism or am I being a bit harsh on him?

    I have no idea what any of them are like as players


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    #2479
    bayern
    Registered Users Posts: 1,024 ✭✭✭bayern


    arsebiscuits1 wrote: »
    Interesting list. Especially profiling such young players.

    Reckon Jack Boyle is there as a bit of tokenism or am I being a bit harsh on him?

    I have no idea what any of them are like as players

    bit harsh.. Boyle is as good as prospect at the same age as James Ryan and Ryan Baird.

    might take a bit longer to come through given how young he is still is and how much physical development he has still to do for his position.


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    #2480
    arsebiscuits1
    Registered Users Posts: 3,520 ✭✭✭arsebiscuits1


    bayern wrote: »
    bit harsh.. Boyle is as good as prospect at the same age as James Ryan and Ryan Baird.

    might take a bit longer to come through given how young he is still is and how much physical development he has still to do for his position.

    Wow ok. Great to hear a loosehead of that caliber potentially coming through.

    Looking forward to seeing him at U20s - will he feature this year?


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    #2481
    bayern
    Registered Users Posts: 1,024 ✭✭✭bayern


    arsebiscuits1 wrote: »
    Wow ok. Great to hear a loosehead of that caliber potentially coming through.

    Looking forward to seeing him at U20s - will he feature this year?

    Yeah he is u19 this upcoming season, i'd be surprised if he isn't starting loosehead 1st game up, will almost certainly be in 23 though.

    be surprised if he didn't play for Leinster A in december too.


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    #2482
    Dog Botherer
    Registered Users Posts: 1,641 ✭✭✭Dog Botherer


    i would be intensely suspicious of anything Rugbypass publish but good to see another very talented prop coming through.


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    #2483
    Paul Smeenus
    Registered Users Posts: 4,338 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    No schools in France or indeed anywhere without English as a first language?


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    #2484
    Dog Botherer
    Registered Users Posts: 1,641 ✭✭✭Dog Botherer


    Paul Smeenus wrote: »
    No schools in France or indeed anywhere without English as a first language?

    yeah, Rugbypass.


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    #2485
    The Lost Sheep
    Registered Users Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    Paul Smeenus wrote: »
    No schools in France or indeed anywhere without English as a first language?
    French schools dont play sport. You play with clubs in France in all sports.


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    #2486
    Hands Like Flippers
    Registered Users Posts: 569 ✭✭✭Hands Like Flippers


    bayern wrote: »
    https://www.rugbypass.com/news/this-is-the-best-schoolboy-rugby-xv-in-the-world-in-2020-nextgenxv/

    NextGenXV are specialists in schoolboy rugby content, and after many hours of deliberation and discussion, they have picked this team as their schoolboy XV for 2020.

    15) Ajay Faleafaga (St Peters/New Zealand)
    14) Curwin Gertse (Paarl Gim/South Africa)
    13) Jack Howarth (Brisbane Boys/Australia)
    12) Mambo Mkhize (Westville/South Africa)
    11) Joseph Suaalii (Kings Parramatta/Australia)
    10) Sacha Mngomezulu (Bishops/South Africa)
    9) Noah Hotham (Hamilton Boys/New Zealand)
    8) Carwyn Tuipulotu (Sedbergh/Wales)
    7) Emeka Ilione – (Rugby School/England)
    6) Zac Hough (Brisbane Boys/Australia)
    5) Allen Craig (St Kents/New Zealand)
    4) Connor Evans (Bishops/South Africa)
    3) Fin Baxter (Wellington/England)
    2) Archie Vanes ( Brooksby Melton College/England)
    1) Jack Boyle (St Michaels/Ireland)
    16) Finau Halafihi (Auckland Grammar/New Zealand)
    17) Phil Brantingham (RGS Newcastle/England)
    18) Seb Lombard (Paarl Boys/South Africa)
    19) Christ Tshizuna (Whitchurch/Wales)
    20) Ben Muncaster (Rugby School/Scotland)
    21) Nico Steyn (Glenwood/South Africa)
    22 Charlie Atkinson (Abingdon/England)
    23) Dan John (Millfield/Wales)

    So these players have all left school now?


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    #2487
    bayern
    Registered Users Posts: 1,024 ✭✭✭bayern


    Leinster academy prospects for summer 2021

    LH Prop
    Jack Boyle(U19/St. Michaels/UCD)
    Aaron Rowan(U19/Athy RFC-Blackrock/DUFC)
    Hugo O'Malley(U20/Blackrock/UCD)

    TH Prop
    Sam Illo(U20/Wesley/Old Wesley)
    Ben Griffin(U20/Coolmine RFC-Castleknock/DUFC)
    Ben Popplewell(U19/Wexford RFC/Lansdowne)

    Hooker
    Lee Barron(U20/St. Michaels/DUFC)
    Ronan Loughnane(U20/Birr RFC-Roscrea/UCD)

    Lock
    Sean Walsh(U19/Seapoint RFC)
    Mark Morrisssey(U19/Blackrock/UCD)

    Backrow
    Mark Hernan(U21/St. Michaels/Lansdowne)
    Will Hickey(U20/St. Michaels/UCD)
    Mark Boyle(U20/Gorey RFC/Lansdowne)
    Aaron Coleman(U20/Belvedere/DUFC)

    Scrumhalf
    Rob Gilsenan(U20/St. Michaels/UCD)
    Will Reilly(U20/Portlaoise RFC/MU Barnhall)

    Outhalf
    Tim Corkery(U20/Kilkenny RFC/UCD)
    Harry Colbert(U20/Gonzaga/DUFC)
    Charlie Tector(U19/Kilkenny/Lansdowne)

    Centre
    Jamie Osborne(U20/Naas RFC/Naas)
    Marcus Kiely(U20/Newbridge/Naas)
    Karl Martin(U19/Boyne RFC/Old Belvedere)

    Back Three
    Chris Cosgrave(U20/St. Michaels/UCD)
    Matthew McGettrick(U20/Terenure/Terenure)
    Josh O'Connor(U20/Wexford RFC/UCD)
    Shane Mallon(U19/Longford RFC-Roscrea/UCD)


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    #2488
    Dubinusa
    Registered Users Posts: 8,149 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    There's not many from Blackrock? Are they poor this year? I see There's a few from tho clubs mentioned. Is Boyle from Gorey related to Boyle from Connacht?


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    #2489
    bayern
    Registered Users Posts: 1,024 ✭✭✭bayern


    Dubinusa wrote: »
    There's not many from Blackrock? Are they poor this year? I see There's a few from tho clubs mentioned. Is Boyle from Gorey related to Boyle from Connacht?

    haven't listed anyone currently in school.

    Both Mark and Paul Boyle are from Gorey and are brothers.


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    #2490
    The Lost Sheep
    Registered Users Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    Dubinusa wrote: »
    There's not many from Blackrock? Are they poor this year? I see There's a few from tho clubs mentioned. Is Boyle from Gorey related to Boyle from Connacht?
    Boyles are brothers.

    How many more would you expect from Blackrock and none listed are in school this year


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    #2491
    Dubinusa
    Registered Users Posts: 8,149 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    Boyles are brothers.

    How many more would you expect from Blackrock and none listed are in school this year

    Blackrock is usually the best school team?


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