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The Vaccine

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  • #2222
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,613 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    I see we have the Covid death deniers in the thread now. As usual they can't provide any evidence. Sad.


  • #2223
    MEGA BRO WOLF 5000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,838 ✭✭✭✭MEGA BRO WOLF 5000


    King Mob wrote: »
    Sorry, you've ignored my question.
    Provide the more accurate number thanks.

    The numbers are reported inaccurately. That's why. I'm not denying 1.7 million people died WITH covid but there's a huge difference between with and from. To say 1.7 million people died from it is just plain wrong.


  • #2224
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,613 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Hunky Monster wrote: »
    The numbers are reported inaccurately. That's why. I'm not denying 1.7 million people died WITH covid but there's a huge difference between with and from. To say 1.7 million people died from it is just plain wrong.

    What are you on about? Can you explain what you think dying with Covid means?


  • #2225
    MEGA BRO WOLF 5000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,838 ✭✭✭✭MEGA BRO WOLF 5000


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    What are you on about? Can you explain what you think dying with Covid means?

    Well when you take out the people who had chronic heart conditions, kidney, liver, cancer, diabetes, respitory diseases you're not left with a big number at all. Over 90% of people who died had one or more of these.

    Not to mention a load were already very elderly.


  • #2226
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,613 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Hunky Monster wrote: »
    Well when you take out the people who had chronic heart conditions, kidney, liver, cancer, diabetes, respitory diseases you're not left with a big number at all. Over 90% of people who died had one or more of these.

    Not to mention a load were already very elderly.

    So basically, they were going to die anyway so fook them - they don't count. That's an extremely callous view of things.

    Many of those conditions are not a life limiting conditions especially with modern health-care. But you seem to be happy to write them off. The fact is if they hadn't got Covid they would still be alive. To say otherwise is extremely callous and cold.


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  • #2227
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Hunky Monster wrote: »
    The numbers are reported inaccurately.

    Ok. Supply the accurate number.
    3rd time asking you.


  • #2228
    NIMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,860 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    I am far from a CT but I also don't agree with these figures for the deaths.

    Each news media seems to have a different term for describing them.

    Some of the Irish media say "died of covid" and some say "Died with covid".

    The BBC seem to say "deaths that have had a positive covid test within the last 30 days".

    So I would agree that the 1.7mill people didn't die of covid. The figures are misleading. And wrong.

    But it doesn't fit the narrative.


  • #2229
    MEGA BRO WOLF 5000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,838 ✭✭✭✭MEGA BRO WOLF 5000


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    So basically, they were going to die anyway so fook them - they don't count. That's an extremely callous view of things.

    Many of those conditions are not a life limiting conditions especially with modern health-care. But you seem to be happy to write them off. The fact is of they hadn't got Covid they would still be alive. To say otherwise is extremely callous and cold.

    I didn't say that. I'm purely explaining the numbers to you. Not to mention the median age of deaths WITH covid is 83.

    Just because a website says 1.7 million deaths FROM covid it doesn't make it necessarily true. Yes they had it, but died from it, c'mon.


  • #2230
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    So basically, they were going to die anyway so fook them - they don't count. That's an extremely callous view of things.

    Many of those conditions are not a life limiting conditions especially with modern health-care. But you seem to be happy to write them off. The fact is of they hadn't got Covid they would still be alive. To say otherwise is extremely callous and cold.

    As we've been seeing, the elderly and the sick don't really count as "people" to some people.


  • #2231
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    NIMAN wrote: »
    I am far from a CT but I also don't agree with these figures for the deaths.

    Each news media seems to have a different term for describing them.

    Some of the Irish media say "died of covid" and some say "Died with covid".

    The BBC seem to say "deaths that have had a positive covid test within the last 30 days".

    So I would agree that the 1.7mill people didn't die of covid. The figures are misleading. And wrong.

    But it doesn't fit the narrative.
    The provide the accurate number.


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  • #2232
    The Nal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,252 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Hunky Monster wrote: »
    Well when you take out the people who had chronic heart conditions, kidney, liver, cancer, diabetes, respitory diseases you're not left with a big number at all. Over 90% of people who died had one or more of these.

    Not to mention a load were already very elderly.

    Yeah when you take away all the people who died because of the virus you're not left with a big number of deaths.


  • #2233
    MEGA BRO WOLF 5000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,838 ✭✭✭✭MEGA BRO WOLF 5000


    King Mob wrote: »
    Ok. Supply the accurate number.
    3rd time asking you.

    Third time you've been told the numbers reported are inaccurate. Where exactly do you want me to get numbers from if all deaths are reported as having died WITH covid.


  • #2234
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,613 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Hunky Monster wrote: »
    I didn't say that. I'm purely explaining the numbers to you. Not to mention the median age of deaths WITH covid is 83.

    Just because a website says 1.7 million deaths FROM covid it doesn't make it necessarily true. Yes they had it, but died from it, c'mon.

    So what did they die from? Someone with diabetes dies after getting Covid. You think that they died due to diabetes. That's a stupid perspective. Utterly stupid.


  • #2235
    MEGA BRO WOLF 5000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,838 ✭✭✭✭MEGA BRO WOLF 5000


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    So what did they die from? Someone with diabetes dies after getting Covid. You think that they died due to diabetes. That's a stupid perspective. Utterly stupid.

    Chronic health conditions. Literally anything can kill you. Moreso true the older you get. Again median age from this virus is 83. EIGHTY THREE. I think that's even higher than the average life expectancy in Ireland.


  • #2236
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Hunky Monster wrote: »
    Third time you've been told the numbers reported are inaccurate.
    Yes. It's the third time you've repeated this without supporting it beyond your own personal incredulity and ignorance.
    Hunky Monster wrote: »
    Where exactly do you want me to get numbers from if all deaths are reported as having died WITH covid.
    I dunno. Not really my problem.
    You claim the number is wrong, supply the number you believe and the source you used to reach the number.

    If you don't know, just say this.
    Ignoring the question like you have been is just plain dishonest, but typical for around these parts.


  • #2237
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,613 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    King Mob wrote: »
    As we've been seeing, the elderly and the sick don't really count as "people" to some people.

    Funny thing is all these conspiracy theorists are always telling us that George Soros and Bill Gates etc are trying to kill people and reduce the population and telling us how evil they are.

    The same conspiracy theorists though are happy to write off old people and those with underlying conditions who die due to Covid as mere statistics who don't really count. Disgusting.


  • #2238
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,613 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Hunky Monster wrote: »
    Chronic health conditions. Literally anything can kill you. Moreso true the older you get. Again median age from this virus is 83. EIGHTY THREE. I think that's even higher than the average life expectancy in Ireland.

    Would that person with diabetes be dead if they didn't get Covid? Simple yes or no.

    Your insistence on writing off old people and those with illnesses is truly depraved. I suggested you re-evaluate your perspective.


  • #2239
    MEGA BRO WOLF 5000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,838 ✭✭✭✭MEGA BRO WOLF 5000


    A lot of "so you're saying x" in this thread without me actually saying "x".

    Let's leave it there.


  • #2240
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Hunky Monster wrote: »
    A lot of "so you're saying x" in this thread without me actually saying "x".

    Let's leave it there.
    If you actually answered questions directly instead of ignoring them and running away, then perhaps people will have a better idea of what your position is.

    However, you have been ignoring points and now you're running away.

    You can't provide a more accurate number.
    I wonder why that is.


  • #2241
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,613 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Hunky Monster wrote: »
    A lot of "so you're saying x" in this thread without me actually saying "x".

    Let's leave it there.

    You are literally saying that old people and sick people didn't really die due to Covid. It would be like saying that an old person who died in a car crash didn't die due to the crash but simply because they were old. Not surprisingly you now run away as it's a pretty indefensible position to hold.


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  • #2242
    Catmologen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 542 ✭✭✭Catmologen


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    You are literally saying that old people and sick people didn't really die due to Covid. It would be like saying that an old person who died in a car crash didn't die due to the crash but simply because they were old. Not surprisingly you now run away as it's a pretty indefensible position to hold.

    In the UK, if they had a positive covid test within 28 days of the car crash then they would have been considered a covid death. The point is that there is a level of ambiguity in these figures that doesn't sit well with people.


  • #2243
    NIMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,860 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    King Mob wrote: »
    The provide the accurate number.

    Unfortunately I can't, I haven't got the data, but it's out there somewhere.

    So do you think that every single person in the 1.7mill people were killed by covid?


  • #2244
    Lex Luthor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    Died from COVID or died with COVID, these numbers pail into insignificance from people who have died because of lockdowns from COVID


  • #2245
    GT89
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    runawaybishop wrote: »
    As you have been told in another thread this is wrong. Masks are not to protect the individual. They are to protect people like you.

    Did you even read my post?


  • #2246
    GT89
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    So basically, they were going to die anyway so fook them - they don't count. That's an extremely callous view of things.

    Many of those conditions are not a life limiting conditions especially with modern health-care. But you seem to be happy to write them off. The fact is if they hadn't got Covid they would still be alive. To say otherwise is extremely callous and cold.

    Show me the excess mortality figures to prove it?


  • #2247
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,559 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Hunky Monster wrote: »
    Chronic health conditions. Literally anything can kill you. Moreso true the older you get. Again median age from this virus is 83. EIGHTY THREE. I think that's even higher than the average life expectancy in Ireland.

    Erm, I've had a chronic health condition since my teens. It generally has a limited impact upon my life. Deciding to exclude chronic conditions is the most dense concept ever. It's perfectly possible to manage many of them. Yep, many of those with them might be more susceptible to something like covid but it does not mean covid is not responsible for death.


  • #2248
    aido79
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,374 ✭✭✭aido79


    Hunky Monster wrote: »
    No they didn't.

    Big difference between died "from" covid and died "with" covid.

    How many people have died from AIDS? Most actually die from AIDS related conditions because it weakens their immune system but AIDS is still seen as the reason for their deaths in the vast majority of cases.


  • #2249
    Lex Luthor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    aido79 wrote: »
    How many people have died from AIDS? Most actually die from AIDS related conditions because it weakens their immune system but AIDS is still seen as the reason for their deaths in the vast majority of cases.

    is the age profile of those deaths from AIDS in the majority over the age of 80?


  • #2250
    iQuain
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34 ✭iQuain


    GT89 wrote: »
    Show me the excess mortality figures to prove it?

    So here is an article telling you about the rise in the overall death number in Ireland by 14.1% after the second quarter. I can only imagine that it continued to increase.

    www.thejournal.ie/factfind-factcheck-covid-19-deaths-numbers-5304598-Dec2020/%3famp=1

    Here is some more generic data about excess deaths. Not directly related to Ireland but it might help you understand the excess death numbers a bit better.

    https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid


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  • #2251
    aido79
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,374 ✭✭✭aido79


    Lex Luthor wrote: »
    is the age profile of those deaths from AIDS in the majority over the age of 80?

    No. But what has that got to do with it?


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