Leinster vs Northampton match thread

20-12-2020 09:30PM

Has the citing window passed?

Burkie1203 · 20-12-2020 09:30PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Has the citing window passed?

48 hours IIRC. Expect a statement around 5pm tmrw if there is a citing.

Dog Botherer · 20-12-2020 09:31PM

50 hours from the start of kickoff, to be exact

Tim Robbins · 20-12-2020 09:32PM

Kraftwerk wrote: »

A poster literally said that, I asked them if that's what they meant and they said yes. Now you're here contradicting them on what they said, getting personal with me saying "if you're such an expert then go be a ref" and then accusing me of being the one that just wants to argue...

People can misunderstand each other. You're coming across a bit argumentative in your posts that you just want to win rather than explore the issues.

The bottom line is for that Ref yesterday to get to that match yesterday, he has to be at a certain level that requires a lot of work and skill that not many make. Did he make a mistake? We nearly all think so. Did the pundits on the game make similar mistakes, a lot of them possibly did. So much experience and expertise making a mistake -- so let's explore the issues and try to respect each other along the way.

The Lost Sheep · 20-12-2020 09:33PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Has the citing window passed?

Teams can refer incidents within 26 hours of the kickoff to the citing commisioner who has 50 hours from the kickoff time to make a decision but its never until monday/tuesday that you here if anyone actually has to go to discipline meeting

Kraftwerk · 20-12-2020 09:56PM

Tim Robbins wrote: »

People can misunderstand each other. You're coming across a bit argumentative in your posts that you just want to win rather than explore the issues.

The bottom line is for that Ref yesterday to get to that match yesterday, he has to be at a certain level that requires a lot of work and skill that not many make. Did he make a mistake? We nearly all think so. Did the pundits on the game make similar mistakes, a lot of them possibly did. So much experience and expertise making a mistake -- so let's explore the issues and try to respect each other along the way.

Again to restate what has happened here. You contradicted me on what another poster said and when I explained they said exactly what I had quoted you got personal with me saying if I'm such an expert I should go be a ref.

I'm not the argumentative person here trying to dismiss other people. You are. So stop with the taking the high road and let's all be respectful crap. I never said anything personal or disrespectful to you.

Tim Robbins · 20-12-2020 10:07PM

Kraftwerk wrote: »

Again to restate what has happened here. You contradicted me on what another poster said and when I explained they said exactly what I had quoted you got personal with me saying if I'm such an expert I should go be a ref.

I'm not the argumentative person here trying to dismiss other people. You are. So stop with the taking the high road and let's all be respectful crap. I never said anything personal or disrespectful to you.

Fair enough. If you want me to reword any posts, I'll do that.

degsie · 20-12-2020 10:08PM

randomname2005 · 21-12-2020 02:41PM

A strange coincidence, but was watching some highlights on YT when a suggested video popped up 'Cian Healy, Rugby's Biggest Thugs'. Whether he qualifies for that is a different story, but in the video is the incident against Exeter where he gets a red card for a hit to the face.
https://youtu.be/CBTSQHw64to?t=44

That was a few years back, before all this talk of increased player welfare, safety, etc. In my opinion, if it was red then, it was red now. Yes, there were other areas of the body he could have used to clean out the opposition player but I don't see how 'the only place he could hit him was the face' argument stands up.
Are we going to start allow boots on faces in rucks because there is nowhere else to stand? Are we going to allow hands to faces and eyes because there is nowhere else to grab? Are we going to allow tackles in the air because that was the only time a tackle could be made? Yes, some of these are extreme, but they all fall into the category of 'if your only option is illegal, then don't do it'.

ButtersSuki · 21-12-2020 02:47PM

Any update on any citing?

UAEguy2020 · 21-12-2020 03:50PM

Listening to all the discussions about the Tom Wood hit im shock and genuinly quite worried how its still even a discussion, its the clearest definition of a red that you'll see on a rugby field, even those debating it are really reaching when trying to find an excuse...

21-12-2020 03:53PM

We're 50 hours from kickoff now (well, 8 mins away) so presuming no citing. I can't really believe that but there we are.

ButtersSuki · 21-12-2020 03:58PM

Aron Poor Sordidness wrote: »

We're 50 hours from kickoff now (well, 8 mins away) so presuming no citing. I can't really believe that but there we are.

Likewise, astonished.

crisco10 · 21-12-2020 03:58PM

Aron Poor Sordidness wrote: »

We're 50 hours from kickoff now (well, 8 mins away) so presuming no citing. I can't really believe that but there we are.

I'm really really disappointed in this.

Just last week I was defending rugby to some of my non-rugby fan friends in the wake of the Steve Thompson story etc. My argument being, things have changed these days and matured. I cited how POC wouldn't get away with kicking Dave Kearney in the head for example.

But, if we were having the discussion this week, I'd have nothing. No doubt it was an accident, no doubt Tom Wood is a decent guy. But his shoulder hit the head with force. It needs to be punished so that everyone always makes maximal effort to protect every player from brain injury.

Part of me wishes it didn't happen in a Leinster game too, as then I wouldn't have the potential bias of it happening to "one of my own".

Burkie1203 · 21-12-2020 04:32PM

Aron Poor Sordidness wrote: »

We're 50 hours from kickoff now (well, 8 mins away) so presuming no citing. I can't really believe that but there we are.

Doesn't mean it hasn't happened. Could be this evening or tomorrow before a press release is issued

Buer · 21-12-2020 04:32PM

Because they don't announce it within 50 hours doesn't mean they haven't cited him within 50 hours.

The EPC didn't publish citings from Round 1 until lunch time on Tuesday.

blackdog1 · 21-12-2020 06:28PM

Aron Poor Sordidness wrote: »

We're 50 hours from kickoff now (well, 8 mins away) so presuming no citing. I can't really believe that but there we are.

I thought Wood did a text book clear out but he should be cited because this is the world we operate in now, you just can't make contact with the head area. Vdf should be annoyed because he should have had his head down jackling that ball first thing I was taught as a 7 was never look up when on the ball...your gonna be targeted by the cleaners... Also people must consider wood had alot of bodies and legs in his way and that effects the height at clear out. If those legs aren't there he can get closer to the ruck and lower his body height. He would have had to dive into the ruck to lower his height from my recollection of the event.

ButtersSuki · 21-12-2020 06:33PM

blackdog1 wrote: »

I thought Wood did a text book clear out but he should be cited because this is the world we operate in now, you just can't make contact with the head area. Vdf should be annoyed because he should have had his head down jackling that ball first thing I was taught as a 7 was never look up when on the ball...your gonna be targeted by the cleaners... Also people must consider wood had alot of bodies and legs in his way and that effects the height at clear out. If those legs aren't there he can get closer to the ruck and lower his body height. He would have had to dive into the ruck to lower his height from my recollection of the event.

It can’t be a text book clear out and make contact with the head though.

stephen_n · 21-12-2020 06:46PM

blackdog1 wrote: »

I thought Wood did a text book clear out but he should be cited because this is the world we operate in now, you just can't make contact with the head area. Vdf should be annoyed because he should have had his head down jackling that ball first thing I was taught as a 7 was never look up when on the ball...your gonna be targeted by the cleaners... Also people must consider wood had alot of bodies and legs in his way and that effects the height at clear out. If those legs aren't there he can get closer to the ruck and lower his body height. He would have had to dive into the ruck to lower his height from my recollection of the event.

VDF had his head up because he was talking to the ref checking he was allowed make the Jackal.

Faugheen · 21-12-2020 07:47PM

blackdog1 wrote: »

I thought Wood did a text book clear out but he should be cited because this is the world we operate in now, you just can't make contact with the head area. Vdf should be annoyed because he should have had his head down jackling that ball first thing I was taught as a 7 was never look up when on the ball...your gonna be targeted by the cleaners... Also people must consider wood had alot of bodies and legs in his way and that effects the height at clear out. If those legs aren't there he can get closer to the ruck and lower his body height. He would have had to dive into the ruck to lower his height from my recollection of the event.

More blaming VDF. Nice

UAEguy2020 · 21-12-2020 07:57PM

Aron Poor Sordidness wrote: »

We're 50 hours from kickoff now (well, 8 mins away) so presuming no citing. I can't really believe that but there we are.

I seriously wonder have the RFU paid off the refs or have they some serious dirt on world rugby?

I thought the Launchbury tackle in the air and the missed KO v France was bad but this takes the biscuit.

UAEguy2020 · 21-12-2020 07:58PM

blackdog1 wrote: »

I thought Wood did a text book clear out but he should be cited because this is the world we operate in now, you just can't make contact with the head area. Vdf should be annoyed because he should have had his head down jackling that ball first thing I was taught as a 7 was never look up when on the ball...your gonna be targeted by the cleaners... Also people must consider wood had alot of bodies and legs in his way and that effects the height at clear out. If those legs aren't there he can get closer to the ruck and lower his body height. He would have had to dive into the ruck to lower his height from my recollection of the event.

Its not textbook because he hit VDF in the face...

blackdog1 · 21-12-2020 09:16PM

UAEguy2020 wrote: »

Its not textbook because he hit VDF in the face...

His approach was text book in that he didn't leave his feet until after contact, he wrapped his arms and had good height. I've already stated he should be cited but I don't think there was any malice in it. For the people saying im blaming VDF I'm just saying he should protect himself better in the ruck especially when his hands are on the ball in a ruck because if someone came in there like a lunatic he could have lost his head.

Burkie1203 · 21-12-2020 09:20PM

blackdog1 wrote: »

His approach was text book in that he didn't leave his feet until after contact, he wrapped his arms and had good height. I've already stated he should be cited but I don't think there was any malice in it. For the people saying im blaming VDF I'm just saying he should protect himself better in the ruck especially when his hands are on the ball in a ruck because if someone came in there like a lunatic he could have lost his head.

VDF should protect himself how? Hire a few bodyguards?

This was 100% on Tom Wood. Stop blaming VDF

ButtersSuki · 21-12-2020 09:21PM

Keith Wood on Off The Ball just now saying “straight red”.

ButtersSuki · 21-12-2020 09:22PM

blackdog1 wrote: »

His approach was text book in that he didn't leave his feet until after contact, he wrapped his arms and had good height. I've already stated he should be cited but I don't think there was any malice in it. For the people saying im blaming VDF I'm just saying he should protect himself better in the ruck especially when his hands are on the ball in a ruck because if someone came in there like a lunatic he could have lost his head.

The logic here is hard to understand tbh.

Burkie1203 · 21-12-2020 09:23PM

ButtersSuki wrote: »

Keith Wood on Off The Ball just now saying “straight red”.

He made one very good point

If contact to the head was an automatic red, players going to the ruck would slow down their entry. Makes sense.

Also, BOD gone very quiet since Saturday on social media

ButtersSuki · 21-12-2020 09:25PM

Burkie1203 wrote: »

He made one very good point

If contact to the head was an automatic red, players going to the ruck would slow down their entry. Makes sense.

Also, BOD gone very quiet since Saturday on social media

Quinlan was absent from Newstalk this morning as well.

BOD :rolleyes: and I’m a Leinster fan!

Burkie1203 · 21-12-2020 09:26PM

ButtersSuki wrote: »

Quinlan was absent from Newstalk this morning as well.

BOD :rolleyes: and I’m a Leinster fan!

Quinlan was on the rugby slot

ButtersSuki · 21-12-2020 09:27PM

ButtersSuki wrote: »

That’s it a nutshell.

Dr Bennet Omalu - the Medic credited with discovering CTE - was on Newstalk a few years ago and talked about how (in his opinion) rugby was inevitably going to have the same concussion issues as American Football. It looks like it’s here in a big way now. He also talked about the impact it was having on underage participation in the US, and how inevitably that would happen here with rugby too. Failure to punish incidents like yesterday’s will inevitably speed up that process.

The problem with many ex-players as pundits is they don’t appreciate how much the game has evolved and moved on - this is true of many sports, not just rugby. The comments mentioned are reflective of that., sadly.

They’re kinda in the above territory now, with Joe’s “certain homes in South County Dublin” comment.

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