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The Dominance of Dublin GAA *Mod warning post#1*

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  • #4802
    WesternZulu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭WesternZulu


    ArielAtom wrote: »
    Stop whinging on an Internet forum and sort your inadequacies out. Very simple advice.

    Please tell me how Mayo could complete with Dublin on all them points I raised?

    You're quick to say other counties should sort their **** out. What makes you think they don't already realistically have things in order.


  • #4803
    theguzman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,085 ✭✭✭theguzman


    ArielAtom wrote: »
    Get your **** together.

    No bother, the rural counties will just get the funding and 75% of Dublin's sponsorship will be redistributed to the Sligos and Wexfords etc. Dublin will get no more funding and can survive on their own since their own **** is in such great form, all perks will be removed and Dublin Players can pay benefit in kind tax on the perks the receive, every official including player, manager and official in Dublin County Board can also have a Revenue audit, all referees involved too.

    That will sort the men from the boys and we will see Meath giving Dublin the thrashing they richly deserve on a level playing field in Navan. The playing field now in Mount Everest for Dublin and the rest of are below sea level on the Dead Sea.


  • #4804
    StupidLikeAFox
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,805 ✭✭✭StupidLikeAFox


    ArielAtom wrote: »
    Stop whinging on an Internet forum and sort your inadequacies out. Very simple advice.

    What would you suggest for a middle of the road team like Kildare/Meath/cork to do to sort their **** out and possibly replicate what Dublin have?


  • #4805
    kilns
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭kilns


    ClanofLams wrote: »
    And they knocked out the back to back All ireland finalists, the equivalent of them beating Kilkenny in 2004...

    Also won their first league and first Leinster title in fifty years over the last decade.

    When did they win their first league and leinster? Have the progressed since then............,..........


  • #4806
    ooter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,350 ✭✭✭ooter


    ClanofLams wrote: »
    True but the point is it was once in a lifetime team. Dublin aren’t because their team has changed so much.

    Because they didn't take their eye off the ball like the other once in a lifetime teams and throw all their chips in on their current hand.


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  • #4807
    kilns
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭kilns


    theguzman wrote: »
    No bother, the rural counties will just get the funding and 75% of Dublin's sponsorship will be redistributed to the Sligos and Wexfords etc. Dublin will get no more funding and can survive on their own since their own **** is in such great form, all perks will be removed and Dublin Players can pay benefit in kind tax on the perks the receive, every official including player, manager and official in Dublin County Board can also have a Revenue audit, all referees involved too.

    That will sort the men from the boys and we will see Meath giving Dublin the thrashing they richly deserve on a level playing field in Navan. The playing field now in Mount Everest for Dublin and the rest of are below sea level on the Dead Sea.

    I'm sure Kerry will have no problem sharing their sponsorship deal (equivalent of Dublins) too


  • #4808
    ArielAtom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,585 ✭✭✭ArielAtom


    StupidLikeAFox wrote: »
    What would you suggest for a middle of the road team like Kildare/Meath/cork to do to sort their **** out and possibly replicate what Dublin have?

    Spend funding on their underage development and not spunk it it on external management teams or RCMP’s Cavan hurlers. Very simple really.


  • #4809
    kilns
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭kilns


    theguzman wrote: »
    Kerry receive nothing like the insane amount of money that is going into Dublin GAA.

    Kerry in terms of sponsorship receive on par of what Dublin receive from AIG plus in addition Kerry Group wrote a cheque for 1 million euros no questions asked for Kerrys centre of excellence


  • #4810
    Clareman
    Moderators, Sports Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators Posts: 24,054 Mod ✭✭✭✭Clareman


    When teams dominate it's normally because they only have to peak once or twice a year, being able to focus all your attention on 1 date of the year is a massive advantage, Kerry did it in the 80s because Munster was non-existent so they only had to worry about the AI semi and final, Kilkenny did it in the 00s cause Leinster was non-existent, Dublin now have a clear run in Leinster but also have a back door in case they loose. The big difference between Dublin and those other teams is that Dublin are bringing in 2 or 3 new players every year, other teams would hold onto the oldguard for too long because they can't trust the new players.

    There is nothing stopping every other county in Ireland doing the same as Dublin did, yes every county will have an excuse why they don't do it but they are just excuses, put in the proper supports and you'll get the results, this isn't just at senior level it's at underage. This isn't a population/funding issue, this is an example of how proper management and strategy can achieve results.


  • #4811
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,867 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    ClanofLams wrote: »
    The situations are not comparable. The Kerry team you mention had one injury enforced change between the first and last of the five in a row finals. Dublin team now is very different from 2015. It’s not a once in a lifetime team, it’s a production line churning out quality and there is no reason to think it will stop.

    In any sport, greater funding has a huge impact. Combine that with huge population advantage and domination is the inevitable result. Dublin will eventually lose a game sure but it will be a freak result. Under the current structures Dublin will win 80-90% of All Irelands.


    If population was the be all and end all then Cork would have seen silverware a lot more recently than 2005, and Tipperary would never win anything. 16 counties have a bigger population than Mayo but none of them were competitive this year...

    Some people need to stop using another counties success as their excuse for their own counties just being **** and start admitting that their own county is just ****.


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  • #4812
    theguzman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,085 ✭✭✭theguzman


    kilns wrote: »
    Kerry in terms of sponsorship receive on par of what Dublin receive from AIG plus in addition Kerry Group wrote a cheque for 1 million euros no questions asked for Kerrys centre of excellence

    You do realize Dublin got €17m from the GAA alone on top of what god only knows they get from Huawei, AIG etc. €1m is a drop in the ocean to Dublin's levels of resources which are north of €50m per annum.


  • #4813
    ClanofLams
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,274 ✭✭✭ClanofLams


    kilns wrote: »
    When did they win their first league and leinster? Have the progressed since then............,..........

    Dublin hurling was coming from a very very low ebb. It's not going to be a directly upward curve but the trend since increased funding is clearly very positive, they are now competitive with the top teams in the country which was almost unthinkable fifteen years ago and massively improved at juvenile level, more proof last night with U20s giving Wexford a trimming.
    ooter wrote: »
    Because they didn't take their eye off the ball like the other once in a lifetime teams and throw all their chips in on their current hand.

    Yes that's it, for sure.


  • #4814
    ArielAtom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,585 ✭✭✭ArielAtom


    theguzman wrote: »
    You do realize Dublin got €17m from the corrupt GAA alone on top of what god only knows they get from Huawei, AIG etc. €1m is a drop in the ocean to Dublin's levels of resources which are north of €50m per annum.

    Oh dear.


  • #4815
    theguzman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,085 ✭✭✭theguzman


    ArielAtom wrote: »
    Oh dear.

    Please oh oracle of wisdom please do enlighten us so?


  • #4816
    kilns
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭kilns


    theguzman wrote: »
    You do realize Dublin got €17m from the corrupt GAA alone on top of what god only knows they get from Huawei, AIG etc. €1m is a drop in the ocean to Dublin's levels of resources which are north of €50m per annum.

    Ok so many things going on here

    Did the 17m go into elite teams? No. Has the excess funding been addressed? Yes.

    Huawei???

    50 million per annum? Wtf


  • #4817
    kilns
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭kilns


    ClanofLams wrote: »
    Dublin hurling was coming from a very very low ebb. It's not going to be a directly upward curve but the trend since increased funding is clearly very positive, they are now competitive with the top teams in the country which was almost unthinkable fifteen years ago and massively improved at juvenile level, more proof last night with U20s giving Wexford a trimming.




    Yes that's it, for sure.

    But why have they not improved since they last won Leinster 7 years ago. They have regressed


  • #4818
    Augme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Augme


    Clareman wrote: »

    There is nothing stopping every other county in Ireland doing the same as Dublin did, yes every county will have an excuse why they don't do it but they are just excuses, put in the proper supports and you'll get the results, this isn't just at senior level it's at underage. This isn't a population/funding issue, this is an example of how proper management and strategy can achieve results.

    You can't actually believe this, can you?


  • #4819
    Dyr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    StupidLikeAFox wrote: »
    I don't expect an answer to this, but what other county has a full time CEO, a full time Performance Director, a full time marketing manager, and every club in the county with at least one or two full time coaches? The players might not be getting paid but there's zero doubt that it's a professional organisation

    Heres the answer you don't expect, off the top of my head:

    Cork. Full time CEO, full time Performance Manager and heap of debt from their former full time CEO and Grande Presidente spunking all their money on a new stadium. :)


  • #4820
    ClanofLams
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,274 ✭✭✭ClanofLams


    Clareman wrote: »
    When teams dominate it's normally because they only have to peak once or twice a year, being able to focus all your attention on 1 date of the year is a massive advantage, Kerry did it in the 80s because Munster was non-existent so they only had to worry about the AI semi and final, Kilkenny did it in the 00s cause Leinster was non-existent, Dublin now have a clear run in Leinster but also have a back door in case they loose. The big difference between Dublin and those other teams is that Dublin are bringing in 2 or 3 new players every year, other teams would hold onto the oldguard for too long because they can't trust the new players.

    There is nothing stopping every other county in Ireland doing the same as Dublin did, yes every county will have an excuse why they don't do it but they are just excuses, put in the proper supports and you'll get the results, this isn't just at senior level it's at underage. This isn't a population/funding issue, this is an example of how proper management and strategy can achieve results.

    Your proposition that it's entirely coincidental Dublin male footballers, female footballers, male hurlers at senior and juvenile level have all dramatically improved since increased funding disregards the widespread proven evidence of funding being a massive factor in outcomes across sports.


  • #4821
    munster87
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,405 ✭✭✭munster87


    kilns wrote: »
    Kerry in terms of sponsorship receive on par of what Dublin receive from AIG plus in addition Kerry Group wrote a cheque for 1 million euros no questions asked for Kerrys centre of excellence

    You know a lot about this cheque. ‘No questions asked’! :D


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  • #4822
    ClanofLams
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,274 ✭✭✭ClanofLams


    kilns wrote: »
    But why have they not improved since they last won Leinster 7 years ago. They have regressed

    Perhaps the Leinster they won was a year when Galway and Kilkenny weren't quite firing compared to their normal standard. It's just a couple of results, regardless the overall trend for Dublin hurling is very good.


  • #4823
    kilns
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭kilns


    ClanofLams wrote: »
    Your proposition that it's entirely coincidental Dublin male footballers, female footballers, male hurlers at senior and juvenile level have all dramatically improved since increased funding disregards the widespread proven evidence of funding being a massive factor in outcomes across sports.

    Correct the use of funding towards increasing children participation and therefore taking advantage of Dublins natural advantage which is it's population


  • #4824
    kilns
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭kilns


    munster87 wrote: »
    You know a lot about this cheque. ‘No questions asked’! :D

    Were their conditions attached tell me more


  • #4825
    Dr. Bre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,853 ✭✭✭Dr. Bre


    TXPTGR1 wrote: »
    Don’t even understand how Dublin fans enjoy it at this stage, like cheering on the schoolyard bully son of a millionaire as he goes around the playground beating up all the other kids.
    Talking to a few of them they are fair easy to wind up , they know deep down that these wins are due to unfair advantages, its always in the back of their heads gnawing away, kinda feel sorry for them really

    Really you feel sorry them? I nearly feel sorry for u but I don’t know you so I don’t


  • #4826
    munster87
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,405 ✭✭✭munster87


    kilns wrote: »
    Were their conditions attached tell me more

    Who’s conditions?


  • #4827
    kilns
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭kilns


    ClanofLams wrote: »
    Perhaps the Leinster they won was a year when Galway and Kilkenny weren't quite firing compared to their normal standard. It's just a couple of results, regardless the overall trend for Dublin hurling is very good.

    It's not plain and simple they are further away from winning an All Ireland now than they were 7 years ago with Anthony Daly. In the 90s their place in Leinster was 4th and they are still in that spot


  • #4828
    kilns
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭kilns


    munster87 wrote: »
    Who’s conditions?

    Kerry Group


  • #4829
    030802
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35 ✭030802


    16 counties have a population a bit bigger than Mayo. Cork/Kildare/Meath a fair bit bigger.... who's top of the tree and by how much...


  • #4830
    ooter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,350 ✭✭✭ooter


    theguzman wrote: »
    Kerry receive nothing like the insane amount of money that is going into Dublin GAA.

    Kerry have been getting money pumped in to them for the guts of 25 years now and that was grand while Dublin were being sponsored by arnotts but once they got their house in order and realised their value it's suddenly a problem


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  • #4831
    Clareman
    Moderators, Sports Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators Posts: 24,054 Mod ✭✭✭✭Clareman


    Augme wrote: »
    You can't actually believe this, can you?

    100% I do, put in the proper support and structures and senior will look after itself, look at the counties with the best underage structures and you'll see the best counties.


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