Tottenham Hotspur Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 25/26

Charliebull · 17-12-2020 11:08AM

A lot made of liverpool injuries I think, they were missing two first team players from last year (matip and van diyk), thats it

we played well and stuck to our game plan and if kane and bergwin had taken their chances we would have won easily

what dier was thinking i will never know, ur the CH, you defend the 6 yard box FFS not go out to dance with henderson

we need a reaction now against leicester and need 6 points from next two

Glebee · 17-12-2020 11:35AM

Charliebull wrote: »

A lot made of liverpool injuries I think, they were missing two first team players from last year (matip and van diyk), thats it

we played well and stuck to our game plan and if kane and bergwin had taken their chances we would have won easily

what dier was thinking i will never know, ur the CH, you defend the 6 yard box FFS not go out to dance with henderson

we need a reaction now against leicester and need 6 points from next two

Leicester seem to be all over the place this season, a good performance followed by a bad performance. Hopefully players can forget about Liverpool and make sure of the 3 points against Leicester

Potential Underachiever · 17-12-2020 11:53AM

Charliebull wrote: »

A lot made of liverpool injuries I think, they were missing two first team players from last year (matip and van diyk), thats it

we played well and stuck to our game plan and if kane and bergwin had taken their chances we would have won easily

what dier was thinking i will never know, ur the CH, you defend the 6 yard box FFS not go out to dance with henderson

we need a reaction now against leicester and need 6 points from next two

Well, without harping on about injuries you're being a bit flippant there I think.

They were missing Van Dijk, Gomez, and Matip, because of that Fabinho has to play CB, he's a monster in midfield, so we lost out on that. That means we had Williams making his PL debut alsongside him and Curtis Jones stepping into midfield. After that our Marquee summer signing Thiago has barely played all season and and Jota who came in and outshone our heralded front 3 is now out for two months, meaning no rotation for the others.

Throw in injuries to good squad filler like Milner, Keita, Shaqiri too and I'd like to think you may have downplayed the injuries more so than other people making more out of it as you were saying.

jiltloop · 17-12-2020 12:33PM

That's a very disappointing loss. We weren't clinical enough with our chances, Liverpool's first goal was a freakish double deflection and their second goal just shouldn't have happened from a Spurs point of view. To defend a 90th minute set piece in a 1-1 game like that is shocking, no excuse for it. It's just not good enough.

mayordenis · 17-12-2020 12:48PM

Keep an eye for people like Bergwijn being thrown under the bus. This is textbook Jose.

greenspurs · 17-12-2020 12:58PM

mayordenis wrote: »

Keep an eye for people like Bergwijn being thrown under the bus. This is textbook Jose.

Thanks for the tremendous insight ......

:rolleyes:

17-12-2020 01:24PM

Id be looking for more evenness from our fans tbh

Jose is gonna Jose. Under that, are we seeing progress?

I think undeniably.

Should we have been giving it the big one about league titles? Nope.

Has he tried to manage that in his statements? Yep.

In criticising his tactics, his selections, could anyone hand on heart name the manager who would have us in a better position?

Is effective counter-attack "ugly" or "bad" football? I watched the last two years of Pochs possession system become a parody of winks-trippier-winks-davies-winks passes and conceding on the break from a deep cross.

This is no worse than that just because Jose has told Aurier, Sissoko and the rest of our defence "clear it first, ask questions later".

We need to find a balance in midfield, but the players are there. Seems to me no matter what he does Jose is at fault here.

Play Ndombele, LO CELSO DROPPED

Play Bergwijn BALE DROPPED (the man is off sick, well reported ffs, we will reap the benefits of managing him to fitness later on imo) DELE DROPPED (dele alli has not given this team ninety minutes in two years and Mourinho is 100% right to seek dedication and commitment before he gets near this team again imo)

It's not that Jose is infallible or you have to support every decision he makes.

It's that last night we went to Anfield, the home of the champions, played poorly, could have (should have, imo) won, to stay top of the ****in league. Instead we lost to the one defensive weakness that Jose has not managed to address yet in the year he has had in the job- despite working wonders with what he inherited on that front imo. And we know he wants a left sided commanding centre half!

An inquest of the despairing/angry tones I'm seeing all over the web is nuts, to me.

imo we are seeing the next step from what Poch achieved. Expectations, solidity, elimination of errors and consequences for players for not executing.

Its good times imo!

Kiith · 17-12-2020 01:49PM

I'd take what we have now over 70% possession and no goals. As above, we had that for years with Poch, and constantly complained about how poor we were in the final 3rd. People do go on about possession to much, and if it's not backed up with goals, it's worthless. We are the 2nd best team in the league, behind a very good Liverpool team. And there are 70+ points left, so lets not rule anything out yet.

Charliebull · 17-12-2020 03:08PM

Potential Underachiever wrote: »

Well, without harping on about injuries you're being a bit flippant there I think.

They were missing Van Dijk, Gomez, and Matip, because of that Fabinho has to play CB, he's a monster in midfield, so we lost out on that. That means we had Williams making his PL debut alsongside him and Curtis Jones stepping into midfield. After that our Marquee summer signing Thiago has barely played all season and and Jota who came in and outshone our heralded front 3 is now out for two months, meaning no rotation for the others.

Throw in injuries to good squad filler like Milner, Keita, Shaqiri too and I'd like to think you may have downplayed the injuries more so than other people making more out of it as you were saying.

My point was you were missing two first team players from last year
I believe that is still correct

mayordenis · 17-12-2020 04:05PM

greenspurs wrote: »

Thanks for the tremendous insight ......

:rolleyes:

Fair enough, it's genuinely the thing that grates on me about him. It's why few young players prosper under him, because it's great to be somewhat cut throat but eventually the list of traitors grows too large. The exceptions being Porto and the short stint at Inter. I think Bergwijn is a talented player, but he's exactly in the mould of the type that Jose will offer up.

Diego Torres' book was fairly insightful on the lenght he'll go to look after himself, but in fairness a grain of salt should be taken with it.

Lad GAGA · 17-12-2020 04:21PM

I agree a lot with Snoop and in an overall context Jose has done a great job to this point. I think to see how much better the defence is this year is testament to the work that has gone on in the training ground. Hugo is in great form and no fannying about with those short passes which he cannot do, big plus. Toby looks back to his best, Dier is playing much better this season (but still is someway short of Jan at his best and will not get there IMO), Aurier actually looks like he knows how to defend and not give away stupid penalties/fouls (but still would prefer Doherty there when he gets back to his best) and Reggie is like one of the Pool fullbacks, the real deal. So much more organised, much harder to beat this year. So we're definitely on the right track and so much better than the disarray in Poch's final months.
I just think that last night was as good a time as any to beat them at Anfield-and every club knows how hard that is. They have had serious injuries to some key players and little or no crowd allowed in. Their defence looks vulnerable, their midfield is unsettled with injuries and their front three are nothing like they were last year (IMO). But that team still sets the benchmark. By comparison City look a pale shadow of themselves.
So, for me, a real opportunity lost. We should have gone out and imposed ourselves on the game from the off and the team selected was a bit too cautious for me.
But in this strange year this league is much more open than recent years. We need 3 points on Sunday to get back on track-Liverpool won't have it easy against Palace that's for sure.

golfball37 · 17-12-2020 06:20PM

In all José’s completed seasons as a manager, where his team stood in the table after 12 games is where they finished.

We were top after 12 games - believe

Shanotheslayer · 17-12-2020 07:20PM

golfball37 wrote: »

In all José’s completed seasons as a manager, where his team stood in the table after 12 games is where they finished.

We were top after 12 games - believe

Bit of a strange stat. What happend in the 13th game and 14th?

Charliebull · 17-12-2020 08:06PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Id be looking for more evenness from our fans tbh

Jose is gonna Jose. Under that, are we seeing progress?

I think undeniably.

Should we have been giving it the big one about league titles? Nope.

Has he tried to manage that in his statements? Yep.

In criticising his tactics, his selections, could anyone hand on heart name the manager who would have us in a better position?

Is effective counter-attack "ugly" or "bad" football? I watched the last two years of Pochs possession system become a parody of winks-trippier-winks-davies-winks passes and conceding on the break from a deep cross.

This is no worse than that just because Jose has told Aurier, Sissoko and the rest of our defence "clear it first, ask questions later".

We need to find a balance in midfield, but the players are there. Seems to me no matter what he does Jose is at fault here.

Play Ndombele, LO CELSO DROPPED

Play Bergwijn BALE DROPPED (the man is off sick, well reported ffs, we will reap the benefits of managing him to fitness later on imo) DELE DROPPED (dele alli has not given this team ninety minutes in two years and Mourinho is 100% right to seek dedication and commitment before he gets near this team again imo)

It's not that Jose is infallible or you have to support every decision he makes.

It's that last night we went to Anfield, the home of the champions, played poorly, could have (should have, imo) won, to stay top of the ****in league. Instead we lost to the one defensive weakness that Jose has not managed to address yet in the year he has had in the job- despite working wonders with what he inherited on that front imo. And we know he wants a left sided commanding centre half!

An inquest of the despairing/angry tones I'm seeing all over the web is nuts, to me.

imo we are seeing the next step from what Poch achieved. Expectations, solidity, elimination of errors and consequences for players for not executing.

Its good times imo!

Well said Snoop

Jose left field attack on Kloop last night also shows where he thinks this team is at,

17-12-2020 08:15PM

Sonny Puskas!

Bergwijn taking some abuse on social media, im no saint when it comes to giving stick to players that i dont think are giving their best but the lad is coming good and was just unlucky imo, its a shame to see it

Charliebull · 17-12-2020 08:50PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Sonny Puskas!

Bergwijn taking some abuse on social media, im no saint when it comes to giving stick to players that i dont think are giving their best but the lad is coming good and was just unlucky imo, its a shame to see it

Agreed, Sad to see that carry on, good lad who gives his all
Should he have scored one if not two, yes
First was a bad miss, second was unlucky to some extent

Glebee · 17-12-2020 09:56PM

I can never understand how lads in these lads positions want or need social media accounts where all sorts of nut jobs can post any sort of sh1te and abuse on it. I must be getting old.

17-12-2020 10:00PM

Im sure there's financial incentives in racking up a few million followers etc

Charliebull · 17-12-2020 11:50PM

Glebee wrote: »

I can never understand how lads in these lads positions want or need social media accounts where all sorts of nut jobs can post any sort of sh1te and abuse on it. I must be getting old.

I don’t even know how it works 😀

greenspurs · 18-12-2020 08:43AM

Glebee wrote: »

I can never understand how lads in these lads positions want or need social media accounts where all sorts of nut jobs can post any sort of sh1te and abuse on it. I must be getting old.

They should just join us on Boards..
Shur theres no trolling or abuse on here :P

spurshero · 18-12-2020 12:31PM

I think Sunday against Leicester has all of a sudden become a massive game . For me we played as well as most will at anfield but we need to beat Leicester now to get back on the horse quickly and avoid going 3 league games without a win in the lead up to Xmas .

18-12-2020 12:33PM

Two teams set up to counter

Be very interesting

Potential Underachiever · 18-12-2020 02:53PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Two teams set up to counter

Be very interesting

greenspurs · 18-12-2020 03:41PM

I see poor little Klopp is outraged that the 5 subs proposal was rejected again.......

Even though he made NO subs against us on Weds night......
Not so happy now, is he...

~Rebel~ · 18-12-2020 04:48PM

greenspurs wrote: »

I see poor little Klopp is outraged that the 5 subs proposal was rejected again.......

Even though he made NO subs against us on Weds night......
Not so happy now, is he...

To be fair, the squad has enough injuries that there was no-one on the bench that wasn’t a massive drop in ability... Keita and Ox just returning from injury and both a million miles away from fitness were about the best of the bunch - and the intensity of that game was not the situation you want to bring recovering players back into, unless you want them extending the injury.

The whole point of the 5 subs is that it helps you keep a squad fit. It’s of no use when the damage is already done, but would really help teams and players in the latter half of the season. But teams financial welfare has always trumped player welfare, and in this situation it’s proven no different. It just is what it is.

<edit> in general it feels like arguments against it are fuelled more by who’s saying it than by the issue itself - one of the more annoying aspects of any football discussion. The argument is not that all teams should have to make 5 subs every game. It’s that if you have the option to make 5 subs, it’s a great extra tool at your disposal to keep players fit and healthy. It’s a fairly obvious and inarguable point - the counterpoint is just that squads staying fit and healthy benefits big teams more than small ones, which is why they vote against it even where it means they’ll likely have more injuries themselves as a result.

greenspurs · 18-12-2020 05:02PM

~Rebel~ wrote: »

To be fair, the squad has enough injuries that there was no-one on the bench that wasn’t a massive drop in ability... Keita and Ox just returning from injury and both a million miles away from fitness were about the best of the bunch - and the intensity of that game was not the situation you want to bring recovering players back into, unless you want them extending the injury.

The whole point of the 5 subs is that it helps you keep a squad fit. It’s of no use when the damage is already done, but would really help teams and players in the latter half of the season. But teams financial welfare has always trumped player welfare, and in this situation it’s proven no different. It just is what it is.

Spurs have had 27 injuries this year.. Liverpool have 24.

~Rebel~ · 18-12-2020 05:03PM

greenspurs wrote: »

Spurs have had 27 injuries this year.. Liverpool have 24.

Ok... I don’t understand what point you’re making...

Potential Underachiever · 18-12-2020 05:04PM

Spurs voted for the 5 subs too, just for the record.

greenspurs · 18-12-2020 05:11PM

~Rebel~ wrote: »

To be fair, the squad has enough injuries that there was no-one on the bench that wasn’t a massive drop in ability... Keita and Ox just returning from injury and both a million miles away from fitness were about the best of the bunch - and the intensity of that game was not the situation you want to bring recovering players back into, unless you want them extending the injury.

The whole point of the 5 subs is that it helps you keep a squad fit. It’s of no use when the damage is already done, but would really help teams and players in the latter half of the season. But teams financial welfare has always trumped player welfare, and in this situation it’s proven no different. It just is what it is.

Welcome to Tottenham lads.

And to keep the squad fit, you have to rotate the first 11 with some off the bench, but you say theres "a massive drop in ability" - So how can you rotate the squad if Klopp thinks what he had on the bench isnt good enough?
Fully fit Miramino ? Origi ?

~Rebel~ · 18-12-2020 05:18PM

greenspurs wrote: »

Welcome to Tottenham lads.

And to keep the squad fit, you have to rotate the first 11 with some off the bench, but you say theres "a massive drop in ability" - So how can you rotate the squad if Klopp thinks what he had on the bench isnt good enough?
Fully fit Miramino ? Origi ?

You’ve literally just ignored the bit where I explained it after the bit you bolded... a fit Ox, Keita, Thiago, Tsimikas, Jota, Milner, Matip, Gomez etc make a bench much more usable. Minamino and Origi are ok in certain circumstances, just not the circumstances of that particular game. Neither are terribly likely to make the bench in a full strength squad.

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