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ExMachina1000 · 02-12-2020 07:40PM

McMurphy wrote: »

I judge folk on their racist/xenophobic/sectarian/homophobic tendencies on the context of their posts, and their Posting history.

As already said - the folk jumping on that as "racist" despite knowing full well the background/context are being extremely disingenuous, and shown up for the levels they will be prepared to stoop to.

As a comparison. For some posters it is fair game to insult, slate and make fun of politicians they dont like ie a Trump or a Boris but on the other hand if other posters write similar about a Biden or a Jacinta Arden etc suddenly it's not permitted or is called out as trolling etc.

Almost like some people would prefer two sets of rules ie I dont like it so it's not allowed.

That's neither realistic nor real life

TomTomTim · 03-12-2020 04:56PM

Where's all this racism? I'm not sure why people don't quote all of this racism if there's so much of it? The Varadkar comment is the only thing I've seen that has actually been quoted. While the poster was clearly trying to provoke, how in the world is calling a man of Indian heritage Indian racism? Are facts now racist?

.anon. · 03-12-2020 10:08PM

TomTomTim wrote: »

Where's all this racism? I'm not sure why people don't quote all of this racism if there's so much of it? The Varadkar comment is the only thing I've seen that has actually been quoted. While the poster was clearly trying to provoke, how in the world is calling a man of Indian heritage Indian racism? Are facts now racist?

Here's one for you. No sign of any facts either, just false speculation based on racial prejudice. Now, before you go all "Islam isn't a race" on me, look closely and you'll see that the poster refers not just to a Muslim, but very specifically to a "recently arrived Muslim refugee".

Gervais08 wrote: »

It’ll be a terror attack.
It’ll be a recently arrived Muslim refugee
People will make excuses

We know the pattern by now.

I should add that I received a yellow card for pointing this example of racism out on the thread. Which is indicative of just how little the Current Affairs mods and admins care about dealing with the forum's racism problem.

ExMachina1000 · 03-12-2020 11:38PM

.anon. wrote: »

Here's one for you. No sign of any facts either, just false speculation based on racial prejudice. Now, before you go all "Islam isn't a race" on me, look closely and you'll see that the poster refers not just to a Muslim, but very specifically to a "recently arrived Muslim refugee".

I should add that I received a yellow card for pointing this example of racism out on the thread. Which is indicative of just how little the Current Affairs mods and admins care about dealing with the forum's racism problem.

There have been literally hundreds of jihadist attacks in Europe in recent years. As recently as last week in Switzerland. And many have been traced back to recently arrived migrants/refugees. These are statistics and easily verifiable.

The poster may have jumped the gun but it's not some rant or wild statement from left field.

If news organisations report on the attack and attackers or if local police give information on the attack or attackers are these racist statements or are they facts?

The poster was wrong on this occasion but recent memory would show that such claims are usually right.

Again verifiable.

Sir Oxman · 04-12-2020 08:09PM

I think this is appropriate, maybe a bit of this going on?

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-anti-racism-movement-is-sowing-deeper-divisions

"To be truly committed to racial equality, theorists argue, one must be ‘anti-racist’. Of course, no civilised person would be in favour of racism, so ‘anti-racism’ sounds a wonderful idea. However, it does not mean, as one might presume, ‘to be opposed to racism’. Rather, it is a core tenet of critical race theory which presupposes that racism permeates all human interaction. In other words, failure to observe racism does not mean that it is absent, but rather that one has not successfully detected it. As Helen Pluckrose and James Lindsay put it in their book Cynical Theories, the question is not ‘Did racism take place?’ but ‘How did racism manifest in that situation?’ Those trained in critical race theory are apparently uniquely qualified to make such determinations; the rest of us have to take them on faith."

McMurphy · 05-12-2020 09:22AM

How come there's a blatant rereg troll that's after having 3/4 accounts banned allowed to remain on the forum, continuing on with the exact same posting style and nonsense that got them banned to begin with?

They're not even trying to be subtle about it either, acting the complete and utter WUM in the exact same forums as they previously were.

Seems trolling is now ok on the site.

McMurphy · 05-12-2020 10:42AM

McMurphy wrote: »

How come there's a blatant rereg troll that's after having 3/4 accounts banned allowed to remain on the forum, continuing on with the exact same posting style and nonsense that got them banned to begin with?

They're not even trying to be subtle about it either, acting the complete and utter WUM in the exact same forums as they previously were.

Seems trolling is now ok on the site.

And I got yellowed for calling him out.

What's going on now with the site?

If your man's not a blatant rereg of those banned accounts, then I'm a duckbilled platypus.

The mods and admin have their priorities wrong.

05-12-2020 11:39AM

Funny, the three or four accounts i see trolling the politics/current affairs sphere havent changed their names at all recently.

We must have different definitions of the word, perhaps

Maybe the mods do too?

McMurphy · 05-12-2020 11:46AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Funny, the three or four accounts i see trolling the politics/current affairs sphere havent changed their names at all recently.

We must have different definitions of the word, perhaps

Maybe the mods do too?

How to determine if an account is a rereg of a banned troll account.

Has the user been banned in the past for being a troll?

No > Not a rereg of a banned troll account.

Yes > a rereg of a banned troll account.

05-12-2020 11:49AM

Oh i thought it was quite clear what i meant, thank you.

Beasty · 05-12-2020 02:11PM

McMurphy wrote: »

How come there's a blatant rereg troll that's after having 3/4 accounts banned allowed to remain on the forum, continuing on with the exact same posting style and nonsense that got them banned to begin with?

They're not even trying to be subtle about it either, acting the complete and utter WUM in the exact same forums as they previously were.

Seems trolling is now ok on the site.

I have absolutely no idea who you are referring to

Please report and we will have a look.

However you stating someone us a re-reg troll is not sufficient "evidence" to allow us to act. In fact it's no evidence whatsoever. We need more than that

Beasty · 05-12-2020 02:14PM

Gervais08 wrote: »

<snip>

You need to be on the site 3 months before you can post in Feedback

McMurphy · 05-12-2020 07:18PM

Beasty wrote: »

I have absolutely no idea who you are referring to

Please report and we will have a look.

However you stating someone us a re-reg troll is not sufficient "evidence" to allow us to act. In fact it's no evidence whatsoever. We need more than that

Maybe have a word with one of the mods so, because when I queried the yellow I was told "they're aware and it's been reported to admin and being investigated"

As admin, you're presumably part of the crowd that's investigating it, and I'm not the only poster that's noted the rereg either.

Beasty · 05-12-2020 08:39PM

McMurphy wrote: »

Maybe have a word with one of the mods so, because when I queried the yellow I was told "they're aware and it's been reported to admin and being investigated"

As admin, you're presumably part of the crowd that's investigating it, and I'm not the only poster that's noted the rereg either.

I have had limited time on the site recently due to a number of medical issues

I've now seen the post where you openly accused a poster of being a re-reg, and I can confirm I can find no evidence to support any such allegations. Maybe report rather than trying to take things into your own hands? Then you can advise us who you think they could be a re-reg of, as then I could do a more in-depth review

Anyway, this is all off-topic for this thread. Please take it to PM if you wish to discuss this further

osarusan · 06-12-2020 11:30AM

Thread like the Helen McEntee one make you wonder why you bother visiting a forum populated by such obnoxious d!ckheads.

06-12-2020 02:20PM

osarusan wrote: »

Thread like the Helen McEntee one make you wonder why you bother visiting a forum populated by such obnoxious d!ckheads.

Pretty much the usual cast of the undateables reboot, people who like to blame anyone else but themselves for what ever is wrong with their lives and shills that appear in most threads like it and others.

Fr_Dougal · 07-12-2020 12:31PM

osarusan wrote: »

Thread like the Helen McEntee one make you wonder why you bother visiting a forum populated by such obnoxious d!ckheads.

That thread wasn’t started in good faith. It was started as a dog whistle and achieved what it set out to do.

osarusan · 07-12-2020 08:08PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

That thread wasn’t started in good faith. It was started as a dog whistle and achieved what it set out to do.

Obviously so, and hopefully their blatant bad faith posting will be something the mods notice.

ancapailldorcha · 10-12-2020 01:03PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

That thread wasn’t started in good faith. It was started as a dog whistle and achieved what it set out to do.

I just don't post in the forum and as a result I enjoy my time on the site. It's the same nonsense over and over again. It's beyond me what people get posting the same things onto a message board repeatedly. A shame because you do get good contibutions here and there in fairness but the sheer volume of negativity, hatred and bigotry just isn't worth it IMO.

Hotblack Desiato · 10-12-2020 01:23PM

So Boards and its users should tolerate hatred and bigotry? "Sure just ignore it if you don't like it" ?

Really?

ancapailldorcha · 10-12-2020 01:34PM

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

So Boards and its users should tolerate hatred and bigotry? "Sure just ignore it if you don't like it" ?

Really?

I was just giving my own two cents. I neither set or have I any input whatsoever into Boards policy.

Invidious · 11-12-2020 12:05PM

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

So Boards and its users should tolerate hatred and bigotry? "Sure just ignore it if you don't like it" ?

The perennial problem is that many posters are eager to define any opinion with which they disagree as "hatred and bigotry," when often the views being expressed don't rise to that level at all.

ShineOn7 · 11-12-2020 02:03PM

Very blatant Far Right propaganda nonsense from Gemma & Co is starting to infiltrate the Covid forum since the vaccine was announced

Please be more vigilant to it. Mis/Dis-information is going to be everywhere from these eejits

Maybe a rule that no one with less than 500 posts can start a new thread in this Sub?

Something like this is needed or the Mods are in for a tough 6-12 months ahead with troll accounts

.anon. · 12-12-2020 02:34AM

Invidious wrote: »

The perennial problem is that many posters are eager to define any opinion with which they disagree as "hatred and bigotry," when often the views being expressed don't rise to that level at all.

It depends on your perspective. A hate-filled bigot, for example, is unlikely to read some of the bigoted, hate-filled crap that gets spouted in Current Affairs and think to himself (or indeed herself), "there's a lot of hatred and bigotry in this forum". Whereas everyone else is disgusted by it.

.anon. · 12-12-2020 02:37AM

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Something like this is needed or the Mods are in for a tough 6-12 months ahead with troll accounts

Not necessarily - they could just carry on being absolutely pathetic and useless, doing fuck-all about the racism problem. Why bother dealing with it when it's easier to dish out infractions to anyone who calls a racist a racist.

12-12-2020 02:39AM

.anon. wrote: »

It depends on your perspective.

This part, correct.

The rest, meh.

EmmetSpiceland · 12-12-2020 10:45AM

.anon. wrote: »

It depends on your perspective. A hate-filled bigot, for example, is unlikely to read some of the bigoted, hate-filled crap that gets spouted in Current Affairs and think to himself (or indeed herself), "there's a lot of hatred and bigotry in this forum". Whereas everyone else is disgusted by it.

What I find strange is when the racist, etc., posters get “done” for their nonsense and then you find them starting threads in the “Dispute Resolution” forum bleating about being “targeted” by the mods.

And, worse still, they start dragging in other posters like a school child after they’ve been scolded, bottom lip trembling ‘but dey cwall’d me a...a...a WAAAYSIST!!!’.

On a separate point, the “Wokeism of the Day” thread in AH is like having a CA embassy in there. I think it could really come into its “own” if it were sent over there. Just a suggestion.

Quantum Erasure · 12-12-2020 12:47PM

Surprised you didnt suggest that sooner, tbh

ExMachina1000 · 12-12-2020 12:56PM

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

What I find strange is when the racist, etc., posters get “done” for their nonsense and then you find them starting threads in the “Dispute Resolution” forum bleating about being “targeted” by the mods.

And, worse still, they start dragging in other posters like a school child after they’ve been scolded, bottom lip trembling ‘but dey cwall’d me a...a...a WAAAYSIST!!!’.

On a separate point, the “Wokeism of the Day” thread in AH is like having a CA embassy in there. I think it could really come into its “own” if it were sent over there. Just a suggestion.

Yes. I agree. Send it our way so it can be given the attention it deserves

EmmetSpiceland · 12-12-2020 02:05PM

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

Surprised you didnt suggest that sooner, tbh

I’m not sure, but I may have mentioned it in the early stages of the thread, itself, Q.

Aside from being a CA “staging point” my other fear is that it would get locked in AH and, to me, that would be a shame because it’s actually a decent thread. Aside for some “uncivil”, and personal, attacks which, I’m sure, we would all condemn.

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