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Reporting restrictions on a murder

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  • 30-11-2020 7:14pm
    #1
    take everything
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    Just saw this on the news there.
    Never saw this kind of thing before.

    Why would there be reporting restrictions on someone charged with murder.


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    #2
    begbysback
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    Apparently because they were children


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    #3
    Gatling
    Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    See the legal forum for details


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    Dempo1
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    begbysback wrote: »
    Apparently because they were children

    Bit of a farce, I appreciate the sensitivity of this appalling incident but there was full coverage of this, even the funeral was covered. TV cameras also outside dun Laoghaire court house this morning and it would take a genius to work out who's been charged.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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    banie01
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    It's an issue with the children's act of 2001.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/court-ruling-has-major-implications-for-reporting-on-killings-of-children-1.4394796


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    punisher5112
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    The mother and 2 kids murdered in broadford were all over papers etc... Now they can't name them or the killer!!! Mind boggling stuff, to be honest the kids are dead so who is it protecting.

    I understand if alive and to protect innocence but it's actually gone beyond belief.


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    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    What is the difference between this case and the murder of the children in Newcastle at the start of the year where the person charged has been named all over the media.

    Can someone shed light on this?


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    EmmetSpiceland
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    I, personally, would like to see restrictions on all cases involving serious crime. It gets a bit ghoulish hearing the latest “updates” throughout the day on the radio.

    Are jurors in “high profile” cases supposed to stay offline, not listen to the news and not read the paper? In this day and age that’s easier said.

    The tide is turning…



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    [Deleted User]
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    The legal industry serving society again, I see


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    kenmc
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    Their names were released at the time though, and for the funerals. It's not exactly a secret. There were not too many murders reported in South Dublin involving 3 people, 2 of them children, in October


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    juneg
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    This is a new ruling that just happened recently. It wasn't passed when the family were murdered but it is in place now so that the restrictions are in place . Its just a coincidence that its protecting his identity now. May he rot in hell


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    Paul Weller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 251 ✭✭Paul Weller


    The families name was plastered all over the news over the weekend,
    Are we all supposed to fall into this Irish solution to an Irish problem and pretend we don't know who is being discussed?


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    #13
    Be right back
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    kenmc wrote: »
    Their names were released at the time though, and for the funerals. It's not exactly a secret. There were not too many murders reported in South Dublin involving 3 people, 2 of them children, in October

    I feel sorry for the family in their home country who wanted them to be buried there instead of here.


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    kenmc
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    Be right back wrote: »
    I feel sorry for the family in their home country who wanted them to be buried there instead of here.
    Definitely. The kids went to my kids school too, but thankfully for us, not in their classes. School have been very good about how the dealt with it.


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    From d'paper:


    "They cannot be named for legal reasons as a result of a ruling in another case, in the Court of Appeal, last month. It found that the anonymity provisions of the Children Act can also apply to deceased children who were crime victims.

    Section 252 (1) of the Children Act, 2001 states: "In relation to any proceedings for an offence against a child or where a child is a witness in any such proceedings, no report which reveals the name, address, or school of the child or includes any particulars likely to lead to his or her identification”.    .


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    eviltwin
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    So if someone kills a child does their identity remain anonymous even after conviction?


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    Leg End Reject
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    As others have said their names are out there, parents weren't living together, she was living in fear of being killed and had been recently assaulted, her family saw her injuries on a video call, she had a protection order to stop a man in his mid 30s coming to her home ...

    The horse has bolted here.

    It's an awful tragedy and I have huge sympathy for her family in India. It must be very difficult come to terms with when you don't have the opportunity to say goodbye and the funerals were here against their wishes.
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    #18
    Dual wheels
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    I don’t understand this, was there a particular reason in regards to the people involved that there is reporting restrictions, ie because it was a family member who killed them?


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    Dual wheels
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    ChikiChiki wrote: »
    What is the difference between this case and the murder of the children in Newcastle at the start of the year where the person charged has been named all over the media.

    Can someone shed light on this?

    Same


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    kenmc
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    eviltwin wrote: »
    So if someone kills a child does their identity remain anonymous even after conviction?

    Well the two scrotes who killed ana kriegel have anonymity, for some reason, even very recent cases against people acused of spreading their names in social media


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    punisher5112
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    Another thing is the Gardai looking for CCTV and doing garden searches exactly 30 days after the murder, bit late to the gate there to be honest, bins were collected twice in that time and weather etc...


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    #22
    punisher5112
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    So basically it's a law that is from years ago, wasn't followed but now is and it protects the criminal scum.... Brilliant idea.


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    RandomViewer
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    Have noticed with local papers recently that if someone is caught with no motor tax they are named but half a kilo of cocaine they aren't ,


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    Jizique
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    kenmc wrote: »
    Well the two scrotes who killed ana kriegel have anonymity, for some reason, even very recent cases against people acused of spreading their names in social media

    That was different and unrelated to this ruling; they were underage so not named


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    RandomViewer
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    Jizique wrote: »
    That was different and unrelated to this ruling; they were underage so not named

    Surprised how much effort was made to protect their identity ,


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    #26
    The_Brood
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    Because we live in a society where gardai do nothing to stop crime, and in the rare cases criminals are caught they are protected from reputational harm, and then given some of the most mickey sentences on the planet.


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    un5byh7sqpd2x0
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    RandomViewer wrote: »
    Surprised how much effort was made to protect their identity ,

    That was to counter the concerted effort to expose their identity.


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    #28
    Rubberchikken
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    I can understand names ofinors who are alive being withheld irrespective of whether they are the victim or the perpetrator.

    But dead, makes little sense.

    In the case of take, I feel the accused should also be given anonymity unless found guilty.


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    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users Posts: 33,043 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Should be a blanket ban on nameing people before convictions - Joe Public has no concept of the phrase 'innocent until proven guilty'.

    After a conviction, sure - no problem.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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    The_Brood wrote: »
    Because we live in a society where gardai do nothing to stop crime, and in the rare cases criminals are caught they are protected from reputational harm, and then given some of the most mickey sentences on the planet.

    That took longer than expected.

    It was raining today, that the fault of the Gardai?


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    #31
    astrofool
    Registered Users Posts: 16,460 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    I do get the feeling that a lot of legal hours are wasted trying to re-cork the bottle that is technology and instant communications, the technology moves way faster then ineffectual regulations catch up.


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