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Neighbors Cat and our car

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  • #92
    Dyr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Is it not still the case that owners are not held legally accountable for their cats in the way they would be for their dogs?

    An acknoweldgement that cats are essentially a law unto themselves


  • #93
    The Continental Op
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,411 ✭✭✭The Continental Op


    Bambi wrote: »
    Is it not still the case that owners are not held legally accountable for their cats in the way they would be for their dogs?

    An acknoweldgement that cats are essentially a law unto themselves

    Still have this article open from when I looked it up earlier https://www.independent.ie/regionals/droghedaindependent/lifestyle/can-cats-be-kept-out-of-neighbours-gardens-34639982.html .

    Wake me up when it's all over.



  • #94
    Cheensbo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,704 ✭✭✭Cheensbo


    frozenfrozen wrote: »
    I just want to see the pics because a cat is like a dry microfibre wash mitt, it'll streak dirt across your car and lightly mar paint but it won't fucking dent it

    x2 - Cats are excellent for buffing up a QD*

    Just give them a spin in the drier to fluff them up again*







    *joke


  • #95
    Royale with Cheese
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,385 ✭✭✭Royale with Cheese


    That would have to be one fat fúcker of a cat to actually dent a car. That or an extremely brittle panel that would end up dented by some strong wind.


  • #96
    [Deleted User]
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    El Tarangu wrote: »
    Dogs have a natural inclination to wander - but in recent years, society decided that it wasn't really responsible for owners to permit their dogs to wander off of their own accord, pooping everywhere or rooting through bins or, in the countryside, worrying livestock. Odd that (some) cat owners seem to think that this same responsibility does not extend to them.
    We have had laws about controlling dogs for a long time, updated regularly, codified in acts like the control of dogs act.
    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1986/act/32/enacted/en/print#sec9
    This is a bit dealing with wandering- it's not allowed.

    The same responsibility does not extend to cat owners, unless you can show otherwise.

    That's not to say that owner's don't have responsibilities like the cats welfare, it just doesn't equate to the responsibilities of owners of say dog or cattle owners.

    I don't have any pets.


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  • #97
    El Tarangu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,624 ✭✭✭El Tarangu


    s1ippy wrote: »
    You can't own rocks any more than you can compel a cat to do something.

    Other posters have suggested measures to be taken such as:

    Lock up the cat - cruel and unwarranted

    I hope you don't have any cats, because you genuinely haven't got a clue.

    "The consensus among veterinarians and organizations such as the American Veterinary Medical Association (AVMA) is that it’s wiser to keep cats indoors. “Considering the potential dangers outdoors, an indoor lifestyle is much safer for cats,” Brunt says. “Indoor cats have a much lower likelihood of becoming hurt or ill from outdoor hazards.”

    As evidence, indoor cats live longer than their outdoor counterparts. Cats who are kept indoors can reach the ripe old age of 17 or more years, whereas outdoor cats live an average of just two to five years. "

    https://pets.webmd.com/cats/features/should-you-have-an-indoor-cat-or-an-outdoor-cat#1


  • #98
    80j2lc5y7u6qs9
    Closed Accounts Posts: 957 ✭✭✭80j2lc5y7u6qs9


    GreeBo wrote: »
    Indeed, really the OP should disassemble their car every evening and bring it inside if they are going to be so precious about it.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2777094/They-call-bubble-boy-Why-one-penny-pinching-man-wraps-entire-home-plastic-looking-like-new.html


  • #99
    frozenfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,678 ✭✭✭frozenfrozen


    El Tarangu wrote: »
    I hope you don't have any cats, because you genuinely haven't got a clue.

    "The consensus among veterinarians and organizations such as the American Veterinary Medical Association (AVMA) is that it’s wiser to keep cats indoors. “Considering the potential dangers outdoors, an indoor lifestyle is much safer for cats,” Brunt says. “Indoor cats have a much lower likelihood of becoming hurt or ill from outdoor hazards.”

    As evidence, indoor cats live longer than their outdoor counterparts. Cats who are kept indoors can reach the ripe old age of 17 or more years, whereas outdoor cats live an average of just two to five years. "

    https://pets.webmd.com/cats/features/should-you-have-an-indoor-cat-or-an-outdoor-cat#1

    nonsense, we have cats and all of them go out at night except for one who sometimes stays in all by choice. Have had a couple who've lived over 20 years.

    two to five years, how can you believe that. Maybe if you average it down with totally feral cats.

    Definitely not cruel to have outside cats


  • #100
    80j2lc5y7u6qs9
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    We have had laws about controlling dogs for a long time, updated regularly, codified in acts like the control of dogs act.
    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1986/act/32/enacted/en/print#sec9
    This is a bit dealing with wandering- it's not allowed.

    The same responsibility does not extend to cat owners, unless you can show otherwise.

    That's not to say that owner's don't have responsibilities like the cats welfare, it just doesn't equate to the responsibilities of owners of say dog or cattle owners.

    I don't have any pets.
    I read that in parts of Canada they have to be on a leash
    EDIT. just a proposed law https://www.cbc.ca/archives/leashes-on-cats-1.5760156


  • #101
    Exodus 1811
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 167 ✭✭Exodus 1811


    Just here to interject regarding the idea that a cats claws cannot damage paintwork.

    They can. A friends car was getting damaged to his clear coat from cats having orgies on his car (they like the heat of the engine). He got window suckers and attached them to a type of net that kept them off. Pretty funny to see actually, it was like a feline assault course.

    I would second the suggestion of the water pistol, plus it'd be a bit of craic.


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  • #102
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,899 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    blackbox wrote: »
    It's possible that your neighbour's cat scratched it, but it could have been done by a bird or other wild animal or by debris blowing on the wind.

    It's annoying - I get that, but if your car is that valuable, special and perfect, why do you leave it out in the open?

    I wouldn't sacrifice my relationship with my neighbours for something I was going to replace in a few years.

    Why do I leave it out in the open ? Because I’ve nowhere else to leave it, it’s on my driveway. On my property, I don’t have access to a garage. Same as about 70% of the other residents.


  • #103
    biko
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    Maybe this works

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P28OtH6PUfs


  • #104
    El Tarangu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,624 ✭✭✭El Tarangu


    Deleted User wrote: »
    We have had laws about controlling dogs for a long time, updated regularly, codified in acts like the control of dogs act.
    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1986/act/32/enacted/en/print#sec9
    This is a bit dealing with wandering- it's not allowed.

    The same responsibility does not extend to cat owners, unless you can show otherwise.

    That's not to say that owner's don't have responsibilities like the cats welfare, it just doesn't equate to the responsibilities of owners of say dog or cattle owners.

    I don't have any pets.

    Although there is no specific laws against it, I presume it would come under the relevant tort; now whether a person could actually bring it to court and prosecute the owner successfully in practice is another question.

    This website (which I appreciate seems far from authoritative), seems to suggest that the owners would be responsible in some circumstances.


  • #105
    El Tarangu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,624 ✭✭✭El Tarangu


    frozenfrozen wrote: »
    nonsense, we have cats and all of them go out at night except for one who sometimes stays in all by choice. Have had a couple who've lived over 20 years.

    two to five years, how can you believe that. Maybe if you average it down with totally feral cats.

    Definitely not cruel to have outside cats

    Just to be clear, it was the other poster suggesting it was cruel to keep cats inside, not be suggesting it was cruel to keep them outside.

    I don't know what rationale the American Veterinary Medical Association used to come to their conclusions, but I presume they know what they are talking about when they recommend to keep cats indoors.


  • #106
    Strumms
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    Thanks all for the comments and suggestions.

    The car isn’t there usually much during the day mostly just from 4pm till morning.

    I’ve been toying with the idea of a motion sensor security light, might see if that does the job...had been contemplating it as a security deterrent anyway as well as a word again with his owners.

    Btw for anyone in question, it’s certainly 99% this cat, I’ve witnessed him several times, the car is essentially it’s playpen, outdoors bench, it lies on the bonnet, jumps up and down on it.. and his scratch post now too seemingly...

    I’m not in the mood to go trading in an asset worth xxxxx thousands just to get told sorry, you can take a couple of grand off because of these scratches.


  • #107
    Jimmy Bottlehead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,931 ✭✭✭Jimmy Bottlehead


    Strumms wrote: »
    Thanks all for the comments and suggestions.

    The car isn’t there usually much during the day mostly just from 4pm till morning.

    I’ve been toying with the idea of a motion sensor security light, might see if that does the job...as well as a word again with his owners.

    Btw for anyone in question, it’s certainly 99% this cat, I’ve witnessed him several times, the car is essentially it’s playpen, outdoors bench, it lies on the bonnet.. and scratch post now too seemingly...

    I’m not in the

    Clearly the cat killed the OP in the middle of his post.

    RIP OP.


  • #108
    [Deleted User]
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    I'm not sure why cat owners think it's ok to let their animals roam wild.
    I had to have words with a neighbour four doors down from me, who seemed to think his cats coming up & ****ting in my garden wasn't a big deal.

    we don't think it's acceptable to allow dogs to roam the streets, why are cats treated differently?

    Finland has great laws about this, no cats allowed roam at all, if you want to take your cat out, you put a lead in it or put it in a run in your garden.
    No issue with cats causing damage to neighbours property there, owners are responsible for any damage.


  • #109
    Be right back
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    bubblypop wrote: »
    I'm not sure why car owners think it's ok to let their animals roam wild.
    I had to have words with a neighbour four doors down from me, who seemed to think his cats coming up & ****ting in my garden wasn't a big deal.

    we don't think it's acceptable to allow dogs to roam the streets, why are cats treated differently?

    Finland has great laws about this, no cats allowed roam at all, if you want to take your cat out, you put a lead in it or put it in a run in your garden.
    No issue with cats causing damage to neighbours property there, owners are responsible for any damage.

    And never mind the fact that cat faeces can be dangerous.


  • #110
    The Continental Op
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,411 ✭✭✭The Continental Op


    bubblypop wrote: »
    I'm not sure why car owners think it's ok to let their animals roam wild.
    I had to have words with a neighbour four doors down from me, who seemed to think his cats coming up & ****ting in my garden wasn't a big deal.

    we don't think it's acceptable to allow dogs to roam the streets, why are cats treated differently?

    Finland has great laws about this, no cats allowed roam at all, if you want to take your cat out, you put a lead in it or put it in a run in your garden.
    No issue with cats causing damage to neighbours property there, owners are responsible for any damage.

    Don't you mean doing wheelies in your garden :D

    Wake me up when it's all over.



  • #111
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,899 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    More research indicated that security lights when activated by their motion will scare the cat away so as it provides a double protection against potential intruders and scratching cats....


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  • #112
    silver2020
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    Upload what the cat is doing to youtube and watch the money roll in :)

    Cats have an aversion to citrus - the peel in particular.

    Spray a plastic sheet with a citrus spray put it over the rof, "tie it" into the windows. Do this for a few nights and it will find somewhere else to go.


  • #113
    GreeBo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,520 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    El Tarangu wrote: »
    I hope you don't have any cats, because you genuinely haven't got a clue.

    "The consensus among veterinarians and organizations such as the American Veterinary Medical Association (AVMA) is that it’s wiser to keep cats indoors. “Considering the potential dangers outdoors, an indoor lifestyle is much safer for cats,” Brunt says. “Indoor cats have a much lower likelihood of becoming hurt or ill from outdoor hazards.”

    As evidence, indoor cats live longer than their outdoor counterparts. Cats who are kept indoors can reach the ripe old age of 17 or more years, whereas outdoor cats live an average of just two to five years. "

    https://pets.webmd.com/cats/features/should-you-have-an-indoor-cat-or-an-outdoor-cat#1

    Wouldn't that be true for every living thing?
    i.e. is pointless information?

    You yourself would live longer if you never drove a car or took public transport for example, how do you fancy it?


  • #114
    Rubberchikken
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    Just try talking to the owners.
    Reasonable people won't want any of their family damaging something belong to someone else.

    One of our cars, outdoor lady, thinks she can sharpen her claws on our bbq cover. She likes the variety even though we have enough trees and stumps and fencing to keep many cats happily sharpening:)


  • #115
    kennethsmyth
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    We have had laws about controlling dogs for a long time, updated regularly, codified in acts like the control of dogs act.
    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1986/act/32/enacted/en/print#sec9
    This is a bit dealing with wandering- it's not allowed.

    The same responsibility does not extend to cat owners, unless you can show otherwise.

    That's not to say that owner's don't have responsibilities like the cats welfare, it just doesn't equate to the responsibilities of owners of say dog or cattle owners.

    I don't have any pets.

    Yep I thought that was the case, however you can ask the neighbours to fix the car and keep the cat indoors at night. If they refuse you can mention that any cat found on your car will be brought to the animal shelter - and whatever happens happens. As per statute the cats owners do not have responsibilities like dog owners due to their nature. It implies that owners do also not have real ownership of cats.


  • #116
    frozenfrozen
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    any pics of the dents the cat did


  • #117
    endacl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,453 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    Graces7 wrote: »
    Covering your precious car is sensible. Far from "mad" .

    Mine would be covered in bits of cat, but that’s a story for another thread...


  • #118
    bubbagumss
    Site Banned Posts: 26 ✭bubbagumss


    it likes the heat
    you have to spray the cat with hose


  • #119
    Strumms
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    frozenfrozen wrote: »
    any pics of the dents the cat did

    More of a slight indentation at the beginning or end of the scratches then a dent, I never in fact claimed that there were dents...read the op and subsequent posts again :)

    But yeah I’ll take some photos when it’s light tomorrow and give a more ideal vision of how is looks. Fortunately it is a gray car so not as noticeable as if it was red or a bright color I’d imagine but I’ve noticed when you clean and wipe around the scratches they are more prevalent to the naked eye for sure...


  • #120
    frozenfrozen
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    Strumms wrote: »
    More of a slight indentation at the beginning or end of the scratches then a dent, I never in fact claimed that there were dents...read the op and subsequent posts again :)

    But yeah I’ll take some photos when it’s light tomorrow and give a more ideal vision of how is looks. Fortunately it is a gray car so not as noticeable as if it was red or a bright color I’d imagine but I’ve noticed when you clean and wipe around the scratches they are more prevalent to the naked eye for sure...

    put the pic in detailing chat https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=115280610 and someone will tell you how best to sort it. I'd say you won't have any ding/dent after it's fully cleaned and if the scratches are just in clear coat someone will be able to say where or how to get it sorted


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  • #121
    Sardonicat
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    Be right back wrote: »
    And never mind the fact that cat faeces can be dangerous.

    All faeces is dangerous. It's ****, like.


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