Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee poll not working - pl ignore

Elmo · 07-11-2020 01:36PM

I see Deirdre O'Kane's Kitchen has replaced the RTÉ Canteen!

HBC08 · 07-11-2020 01:39PM

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

I suppose RTE are thinking if Brendan Grace got 40 years out of the same jokes, one more go around the block couldn't hurt :rolleyes:

If only it was once more,that production is on nearly as regularly as Fair City.

RabbleRouser2k · 07-11-2020 01:48PM

HBC08 wrote: »

If only it was once more,that production is on nearly as regularly as Fair City.

Even Fair city shut down cos of the Covid.

The Brendan Grace thing has been on more than the Angelus at this stage.

Seamai · 08-11-2020 03:48PM

If RTÉ are so strapped for cash why in the hell are they wasting it dragging the likes of Liz Bonnin back from the U.K to present a 3 part environmental series Future Island. What gravitas can she bring to the table that someone resident here can't. How many people would watch it just because it's her?

08-11-2020 03:51PM

Seamai wrote: »

If RTÉ are so strapped for cash why in the hell are they wasting it dragging the likes of Liz Bonnin back from the U.K to present a 3 part environmental series Future Island. What gravitas can she bring to the table that someone resident here can't. How many people would watch it just because it's her?

I assume 'Contracted work' like all the other highly paid 'stars'

Brendan Bendar · 08-11-2020 04:18PM

65535 wrote: »

I assume 'Contracted work' like all the other highly paid 'stars'

Derek Mooney would have been perfect for the gig.

sligojoek · 08-11-2020 05:06PM

Or George Lee

Biafranlivemat · 08-11-2020 06:38PM

Is this at RTE?
TWO PEOPLE HAVE been arrested as part of an investigation into alleged fraud at a major Irish broadcaster.

https://www.thejournal.ie/arrest-fraud-allegiations-media-company-ireland-5259651-Nov2020/

elperello · 08-11-2020 07:08PM

VM according to this.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/two-arrests-in-fraud-probe-of-tv3-cash-channelled-to-relative-jpg9kztqp

Biafranlivemat · 08-11-2020 07:24PM

elperello wrote: »

VM according to this.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/two-arrests-in-fraud-probe-of-tv3-cash-channelled-to-relative-jpg9kztqp

Thank you

Pelvis Parsley · 08-11-2020 07:31PM

Well done the journal-yet again we have to turn to the UK for our news.

Brendan Bendar · 08-11-2020 07:40PM

Biafranlivemat wrote: »

Is this at RTE?
TWO PEOPLE HAVE been arrested as part of an investigation into alleged fraud at a major Irish broadcaster.

https://www.thejournal.ie/arrest-fraud-allegiations-media-company-ireland-5259651-Nov2020/

We will see if these ‘broadcasters’ show the same enthusiasm to publish the facts on this as they do to others.

What do you you think.....I know what I think.

ShamNNspace · 08-11-2020 07:52PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

We will see if these ‘broadcasters’ show the same enthusiasm to publish the facts on this as they do to others.

What do you you think.....I know what I think.

Well "the truth matters" as they say

Elmo · 09-11-2020 05:32PM

Seriously why would anyone in RTÉ have to rob money when they can just expense it. :pac:

Brock Turnpike · 11-11-2020 03:47PM

This might be of interest to some...

https://twitter.com/SeanDefoe/status/1326529500188971009?s=20

Elmo · 11-11-2020 04:30PM

Brock Turnpike wrote: »

This might be of interest to some...

https://twitter.com/SeanDefoe/status/1326529500188971009?s=20

Absolute waste of time. We are all great.

8% of our staff are managers.

Elmo · 11-11-2020 05:27PM

Also that €50m is on its way to RTÉ, blank cheque to keep doing what they are doing.

titan18 · 11-11-2020 11:21PM

Elmo wrote: »

Also that €50m is on its way to RTÉ, blank cheque to keep doing what they are doing.

I liked how they include the no TV households in their calculation of 50m. Why should people with no TV pay a TV license like?

elperello · 11-11-2020 11:35PM

titan18 wrote: »

I liked how they include the no TV households in their calculation of 50m. Why should people with no TV pay a TV license like?

You don't have to pay the TV licence if you haven't got a TV.

Elmo · 11-11-2020 11:47PM

elperello wrote: »

You don't have to pay the TV licence if you haven't got a TV.

But they are changing this, this is why I said if the future of media commission is only going to come back with a new collection method that decision should be made today not in 9 months time even if you agree with it or disagree.

Today was cap in hand from RTÉ NUJ and the IBI with no commitments attached.

We should expect more from RTÉ and all our broadcasters, not just a 2 hour mid morning radio chat show.

elperello · 11-11-2020 11:57PM

Elmo wrote: »

But they are changing this, this is why I said if the future of media commission is only going to come back with a new collection method that decision should be made today not in 9 months time even if you agree with it or disagree.

Today was cap in hand from RTÉ NUJ and the IBI with no commitments attached.

We should expect more from RTÉ and all our broadcasters, not just a 2 hour mid morning radio chat show.

Well if that's all that comes out of it I will be disappointed too.

As we discussed previously I prefer the direct funding from general taxation model.

If they go for a device based model or adding it to LPT the controversy will just go on and on.

I think expecting a decision today is a bit optimistic. They just don't work that way.

I'd have no problem with some emergency funding to keep the ship steady while they make their minds up.

satguy · 12-11-2020 02:52AM

So they say that 140K homes have no TV,, and want to find a way, or ask the government to find a way, to make them pay up.

This should be fun ..

ligerdub · 12-11-2020 05:17PM

Taking it from general taxation will just ensure an even greater wastage and even worse programming. They get enough money. Just improve the shows being commissioned, stop relying on using the same agency and production company for the standard awful chat shows, comedy and drama.......and stop wasting so much money on overpaid nothings getting the top front of house jobs.

satguy · 12-11-2020 05:52PM

ITV and The BBC are just waiting to poach our top talent, we might need to double their pay just to hang on to them.

Please stay Tubbs, we need you,, If anything were to happen to our great RTE, where would we get our repeats of Mrs Browns Boys.

Harry Palmr · 13-11-2020 10:41AM

They can't be that stretched as they haven't sent me my renewal notice.

elperello · 13-11-2020 01:15PM

ligerdub wrote: »

Taking it from general taxation will just ensure an even greater wastage and even worse programming. They get enough money. Just improve the shows being commissioned, stop relying on using the same agency and production company for the standard awful chat shows, comedy and drama.......and stop wasting so much money on overpaid nothings getting the top front of house jobs.

Direct funding removes the extra costs associated with collection and enforcement.

What makes you think that changing the funding model will lead to greater wastage and worse programs?

With the proper checks and balances put in place it shouldn't matter how the money is raised, outcomes should be unaffected.

Your idea about improving commissioning should be part of the mix in deciding on the future of Public Broadcasting. Once we decide what we want from the PB Service and set the parameters progress can be made.

Your opinion of the various types of show and the presenters is just that, your opinion, but everybody's opinion needs to be considered.

Shaving a few hundred grand off high earners salaries or contracts is not going to give us the pot of gold.

Brendan Bendar · 13-11-2020 01:22PM

elperello wrote: »

Direct funding removes the extra costs associated with collection and enforcement.

What makes you think that changing the funding model will lead to greater wastage and worse programs?

With the proper checks and balances put in place it shouldn't matter how the money is raised, outcomes should be unaffected.

Your idea about improving commissioning should be part of the mix in deciding on the future of Public Broadcasting. Once we decide what we want from the PB Service and set the parameters progress can be made.

Your opinion of the various types of show and the presenters is just that, your opinion, but everybody's opinion needs to be considered.

Shaving a few hundred grand off high earners salaries or contracts is not going to give us the pot of gold.

We know that, but it’s absolutely no reason to pay that much.

It’s absolutely pure stupid, when there is no reason at all to do it given the financial situation.

Elmo · 13-11-2020 01:28PM

elperello wrote: »

Direct funding removes the extra costs associated with collection and enforcement.

What makes you think that changing the funding model will lead to greater wastage and worse programs?

With the proper checks and balances put in place it shouldn't matter how the money is raised, outcomes should be unaffected.

Your idea about improving commissioning should be part of the mix in deciding on the future of Public Broadcasting. Once we decide what we want from the PB Service and set the parameters progress can be made.

Your opinion of the various types of show and the presenters is just that, your opinion, but everybody's opinion needs to be considered.

Shaving a few hundred grand off high earners salaries or contracts is not going to give us the pot of gold.

I feel Direct Funding could put political pressure on a public service broadcaster.

RTÉ have only ever stated that to continue to provide the kind of content and services that it currenlty provides RTÉ require €30m more, the BAI agree with this, RTÉ and BAI have given no committements to improve RTÉ but rather to properly funded it.

BAI are the authority and will remain the authority its CEO has been their for 30 years, those checks and balance will not come from them or if they get their name changed to the Media Authority of Ireland.

I don't think improving commissioning is part of the Future of Media Commission. I also don't think they will report back as to what we want from our public service broadcasters.

Opinion in various presenters and shows is good, it give us a good of idea of what we want and what we don't want. Some is purely anti-RTÉ, much of it reasoned IMO.

No cutting wages isn't but tell RTÉ that,

1. RTÉ cut funding to Children's Content when they said they wouldn't, a key part of their 2020 - 2024 revised strategy.
2. RTÉ were able to cut funding to Independent Drama and Scripted Comedy, in 2019 they spent just €2.2million on this type of programming. Again a core part of their 2020 - 2024 strategy
3. RTÉ have ring fence funding to RTÉ 2fm even though it has had a 50% reduction in ad revenue, and RTÉ has seen its funding drop by 25%
4. RTÉ have ring fenced funding of imported programming, failing to promote them, failing to schedule them properly and failing to have a proper player for them, yet RTÉ has seen a drop in funding of 25%
5. No cuts to corp HQ, surely they could have done some penny pinch there.

We should expect more from them, this is not this past this is their current effort.

ligerdub · 13-11-2020 05:29PM

elperello wrote: »

Direct funding removes the extra costs associated with collection and enforcement.

What makes you think that changing the funding model will lead to greater wastage and worse programs?

With the proper checks and balances put in place it shouldn't matter how the money is raised, outcomes should be unaffected.

Your idea about improving commissioning should be part of the mix in deciding on the future of Public Broadcasting. Once we decide what we want from the PB Service and set the parameters progress can be made.

Your opinion of the various types of show and the presenters is just that, your opinion, but everybody's opinion needs to be considered.

Shaving a few hundred grand off high earners salaries or contracts is not going to give us the pot of gold.

Changing the funding model removes the parameters from which they would be budgeting from. Bringing this under a direct taxation model would essentially mean they'd tell the government the costs and we pay it. Look at the childrens hospital or pretty much any significant government spending project to see overspend. These departments arent run with any real commercial incentive or as much responsibility as if there were true repercussions for wasting money.

At this least the current method there is a direct line in the sand to see how they are doing financially.

Yes, my opinion, is merely an opinion, but it is also backed up by the stats. I have no interest in watching (for example) Amy Hubermans pet project broadcast to the nation, and funnily enough the nation agrees with me. Theres subjective and then theres the obvious! The likes of Amy can get their show put on and it doesn't make a huge difference if it's popular or not.

Shaving money off the high earners means that they can save money with all the other otherpaid staffers too. It all adds up.

elperello · 14-11-2020 10:16PM

Elmo wrote: »

I feel Direct Funding could put political pressure on a public service broadcaster.

ligerdub wrote: »

Changing the funding model removes the parameters from which they would be budgeting from. Bringing this under a direct taxation model would essentially mean they'd tell the government the costs and we pay it.

You both point out very valid arguments against funding Public Service Broadcasting from general taxation. Essentially they are that either the Government will take advantage of the broadcaster or vice versa.

My own suggestion outlined in earlier posts was that the funding could be channeled through an independent body at arms length from the politicians.
Perhaps a reconstituted BAI or an offshoot of same.

All of the funding levels would have to be agreed based on the service levels that were expected from the PBS.

I take on board reservations based on previous failures to control spending in public bodies.

Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

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Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee poll not working - pl ignore