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US Presidential Election 2020 Thread II - Judgement Day(s)

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    #4862
    Midlife
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 900 ✭✭✭Midlife


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    Why oh why can trump supporters not understand that the reason they are getting walloped in the mail in votes is nothing to do with fraud or conspiracy, but the fact your own guy, your president, TOLD HIS OWN SUPPORTERS NOT TO MAIL IN VOTES.

    Its so simple

    Why would they suddenly start using logic now.

    Even Fox and Laura Ingram are now saying Trump needs to accept it.

    But I'm sure the approach of some will still be 'there are questions, now disprove me' which is the same approach that flat earther and conspiracy theorists in general have.

    Unfortunately Court challenges don't work that way. They require actual evidence. And unfortunately not just evidence you like, it has to be real too.


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    #4863
    everlast75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,053 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1324991226660212736?s=19

    Going the right direction!

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



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    #4864
    darem93
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 200 ✭✭darem93


    Biden is over 7k ahead now in Georgia. Even with the recount I’d say that’s too many votes for it to change back to Trump.


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    #4865
    Field east
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,404 ✭✭✭Field east


    Akrasia wrote: »
    The GOP are fine with losing this election if they can control the senate. They’re handing over the reigns of a poisoned chalice, depressed economy, raging pandemic, divided society on a knife edge with ongoing riots and civil unrest... they will focus on blaming the Biden administration for everything while blocking him at every turn. And they’ll get away with it because the US media are a complete joke

    Was the republican majority senate in bed 100% with Trumps policies/antics / executive orders. Was it a case that they had to go along with him ‘for peace sake’/ re election reasons, etc. maybe it might change tact with the absence of Trump and a democratic president - if Biden gets there.
    Would it not be the case that if the senate going forward blocks all proposals being put forward by Biden - if elected- and especially that would be of clear benefit to American society/ large parts of it, that wavering republican voters might not look too kindly on their candidate come the next election?


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    #4866
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,436 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    Well well well. Voter fraud discovered. Unfortunately...


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    #4867
    paul71
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭paul71


    darem93 wrote: »
    Biden is over 7k ahead now in Georgia. Even with the recount I’d say that’s too many votes for it to change back to Trump.

    Worth repeating what I have said several times. A recount in the US never finds more than a couple of hundred votes across several million votes, because it is a first past the post system.

    In Ireland recounts will find a couple of hundred votes in every 50,000, because we select 5, 6 or 7 preferences.

    There is room in our more complicated system for human error, while in a FPTP system it is hard to make a mistake.


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    #4868
    ancapailldorcha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,510 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Mod: Constructive posts only please. Tweet dumps, one-liners and posts with insults deleted.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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    #4869
    jasonb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭jasonb


    everlast75 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1324991226660212736?s=19

    Going the right direction!
    darem93 wrote: »
    Biden is over 7k ahead now in Georgia. Even with the recount I’d say that’s too many votes for it to change back to Trump.

    Was this confirmed? AP's map still has it at 4k.


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    #4870
    Sparko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,244 ✭✭✭Sparko


    jasonb wrote: »
    Was this confirmed? AP's map still has it at 4k.

    CNN's on screen graphic going with 7,248.


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    #4871
    harr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,668 ✭✭✭harr


    7248 ahead in Georgia on a number of news outlets the last few hours.
    In reality how close are they to calling a state , will it be days rather than hours ? Just want to see the 253 change ... all states seem to be stuck on high 90,s of votes counted


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    #4872
    everlast75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,053 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    The sooner the better Trump takes his medicine the better for the Country...

    https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1324890631223844864?s=19

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



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    #4873
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,616 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    harr wrote: »
    7248 ahead in Georgia on a number of news outlets the last few hours.
    In reality how close are they to calling a state , will it be days rather than hours ? Just want to see the 253 change ... all states seem to be stuck on high 90,s of votes counted

    They will do the recount first so probably Thursday next week at the earliest


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    #4874
    breezy1985
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,052 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    VinLieger wrote: »
    They will do the recount first so probably Thursday next week at the earliest

    It's sad really. Ide love a resolution at this stage but sadly this will be dragged out until the last minute and inauguration day will be as close as we get to a nice victory moment


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    #4875
    The Iron Giant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭The Iron Giant


    VinLieger wrote: »
    They will do the recount first so probably Thursday next week at the earliest

    Calling that state maybe. Others sooner.


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    #4876
    StringerBell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,638 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    I know its frustrating, it really is but I do firmly believe it is better they take their time. Cross all the t's dot the i's and ensure that every vote is properly verified and counted. It will help keep a firewall around the inevitable frivolous lawsuits - most are getting bounced out of court as soon as they come in but you don't want to leave any hope. You don't want any human error to leave the door open and be latched upon. Make sure its air tight and get it done right.

    One way or another its over, he's done, him and his supporters (I do have sympathy for so many of them who have been conned and genuinely believe the lies they have been fed) can feel about that how they like. Their buddy Ben Shapiro has some words of advice for them regarding facts and feelings that I am sure most them are familiar with having used the phrase incessantly for the past 4 years. The video of junior almost in tears floating about as he rage rants was a glorious one to wake up to today.

    If you are getting overly frustrated just imagine how it must feel for the Donald and his circle? The walls closing in, nowhere to go, nothing they can do and finding themselves more and more isolated as the days drag on. Impending doom is not a nice feeling to have to sit with.

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



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    #4877
    OhHiMark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,115 ✭✭✭OhHiMark


    Outlaw Pete wrote: »
    Di you miss this?



    And there are others, he's not alone.



    Sure, when it's secure - and Trump has always made it clear he supports such mail voting, indeed he has used it himself, but as it stands, it's too open to fraud and it's not as if this is all being said after the fact, both Trump and Barr (and Nadler) spoke about this before the election:

    "Playing with fire"

    https://twitter.com/tbooneus/status/1324820890266292224




    Would you support non-citizens being allowed to vote in Presidential elections?

    This is the problem when you get to spend 4 years making up whatever facts you want and not having to back them up. When you're asked to give proof you have no idea what that is.


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    #4878
    signostic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,888 ✭✭✭signostic


    Trump lawyers must crawling all over the states of GA, PA, NA filing suits for the flimsiest of reasons, when it all fails will Trumps call be to the Proud Boys?


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    #4879
    breezy1985
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,052 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    signostic wrote: »
    Trump lawyers must crawling all over the states of GA, PA, NA filing suits for the flimsiest of reasons, when it all fails will Trumps call be to the Proud Boys?

    Trump's lawyers must be the only people loving this mess. Plenty of business coming their way over the next month


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    #4880
    paul71
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭paul71


    breezy1985 wrote: »
    Trump's lawyers must be the only people loving this mess. Plenty of business coming their way over the next month

    Until they start to worry about getting paid at least.


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    #4881
    dark crystal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    StringerBell wrote: »

    If you are getting overly frustrated just imagine how it must feel for the Donald and his circle? The walls closing in, nowhere to go, nothing they can do and finding themselves more and more isolated as the days drag on. Impending doom is not a nice feeling to have to sit with.

    Sounds rather like how someone might feel in a detention cage in Texas, only difference being, at least Donald and his circle knows where their children are today.


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    #4882
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,616 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    paul71 wrote: »
    Until they start to worry about getting paid at least.


    If i were them id be demanding it up front, that's likely what those emergency emails were about on Wednesday morning


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    #4883
    rob808
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,409 ✭✭✭rob808


    breezy1985 wrote: »
    Trump's lawyers must be the only people loving this mess. Plenty of business coming their way over the next month
    Then Trump will forget to pay his lawyers when he loses lol.


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    #4884
    paul71
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭paul71


    rob808 wrote: »
    Then Trump will forget to pay his lawyers when he loses lol.

    At that stage his lawyers will be able to go to court with actual evidence in a case that they will win. :D


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    #4885
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Biden is past the 0.5% recount threshold in Pennsylvania. Still more counts to go but Pennsylvania could just finish it now.


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    #4886
    Graham
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,642 ✭✭✭✭Graham


    breezy1985 wrote: »
    Trump's lawyers must be the only people loving this mess. Plenty of business coming their way over the next month

    I get the feeling even the lawyers are cringing.

    What high profile lawyer is really going to relish taking a case knowing full well there is zero evidence?


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    #4887
    paul71
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭paul71


    Graham wrote: »
    I get the feeling even the lawyers are cringing.

    What high profile lawyer is really going to relish taking a case knowing full well there is zero evidence?

    Rudi


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    #4888
    Graham
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,642 ✭✭✭✭Graham


    paul71 wrote: »
    Rudi

    I'll rephrase

    'credible lawyers'


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    #4889
    letowski
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,418 ✭✭✭letowski


    Manic Moran wrote: »
    Though not really relevant, I'm not convinced by that logic. Stewart and Benning are both combat arms bases. The Army does not care where you are from when it assigns you places, and blacks disproportionately choose 'trade' jobs. (Mechanic, logistics, admin etc). The argument, for what little credence I give it, would apply more to bases like Lee or Knox.

    .

    My point was not that aren’t relevant, it’s that the proportion left won’t change the outcome of the race in Georgia. The vast majority of active military mail ballots have been counted, the 8.9k of ballots left are likely just the ones that just didn’t decide to vote. And let’s say for hypothetical sake they all come in, about 40% of the active military are of an ethnic minority background (pew). They will most likely split in favour of Biden if anything. Anyway since my last post, Biden is nearly 8k ahead.


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    #4890
    Dodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,297 ✭✭✭✭Dodge


    Graham wrote: »
    I get the feeling even the lawyers are cringing.

    What high profile lawyer is really going to relish taking a case knowing full well there is zero evidence?

    You’re assuming high profile lawyers in the US have any sense of shame or self respect in them at all

    They don’t. There’ll be no shortage of lads looking for this gig


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    #4891
    Graham
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,642 ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Dodge wrote: »
    You’re assuming high profile lawyers in the US have any sense of shame or self respect in them at all

    They don’t. There’ll be no shortage of lads looking for this gig

    In which case it should be fun to watch them being handed their own backsides by assorted judges. :)


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