US Presidential Election 2020 Thread II - Judgement Day(s)

Brian? · 07-11-2020 01:55AM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I know this is about Biden and trump, bit as it seems the democrats will retain control of the house and presumably Nancy pelosi will still be speaker but for how long will the progressive wing of the democrats leave her in place ?

There are serious rumblings that Nancy won't be speaker.

Quin_Dub · 07-11-2020 01:57AM

Brian? wrote: »

There are serious rumblings that Nancy won't be speaker.

There's definitely a lot of unhappiness about the performance in the congressional elections.

Largest ever vote total for a Democratic POTUS candidate and they lose seats in the House?

Something will have to change there .

Canice Picklington · 07-11-2020 02:01AM

population wrote: »

I agree with everything here apart from rolling back the influence of the military industrial complex. That is not something Democrats are interested in pursuing. Unfortunately both parties have become the party of war.

Democrats aren't interested in outsourcing US foreign policy to Russia, thankfully.

Infini · 07-11-2020 02:04AM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

There's definitely a lot of unhappiness about the performance in the congressional elections.

Largest ever vote total for a Democratic POTUS candidate and they lose seats in the House?

Something will have to change there .

To be fair Trump did pull out record numbers as well. The overestimated polls didnt do any favours either.

breezy1985 · 07-11-2020 02:04AM

DubInMeath wrote: »

How many wars/military actions has a democrat president started in the last sixty years and how many have a republican president?

I say military actions as the U.S. hasn't actually officially declared war since the 1940s.

Clinton was pretty bad and Obama had his moments but Bush Jr. I still think was a worse president from an outside view than Trump. Sure Trump talks crap but Bush started conflicts that have changed the world very much for the worse and w are dealing with it through terrorism and a refugee crisis to this day

Tell me how · 07-11-2020 02:06AM

Tucker Carlson going in to territory Alex Jones wouldn't touch at the moment.

They spent last 6 months calling him the radical left and now are saying that he is a patsy for corporate America including Big Tech and Wall Street.

They kept on about him being in politics for 47 years, now they are saying that he is a simple shill for business companies.

TomOnBoard · 07-11-2020 02:07AM

Brian? wrote: »

There are serious rumblings that Nancy won't be speaker.

I believe (with zero evidence, I have to say, so its just an opinion), that Nancy (who played a blinder in 'marking' Trump) needs to rest on her laurels and hand on the baton. I'll leave it at that!

Midlife · 07-11-2020 02:10AM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

It would appear there was indeed fraud. Do you believe the USPS whistleblowers are lying?

All the more reason to make sure fraudulent votes don't get counted.

There also appears to be some software issues at play which need to be looked into:

https://twitter.com/kylenabecker/status/1324867717808050176

To be frank Pete. I don't even look into your posts anymore. You handed over your credability a long while back.

Not because of you alignment. Because of your partisan view of reality.

TomOnBoard · 07-11-2020 02:17AM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

You know how we know about that??

Because the system caught it and corrected it before the final numbers were tabulated.

Not a single vote was miscounted..

That is not evidence of Fraud - It's evidence of a one off glitch that was correctly identified and corrected immediately and had it not been found at that point, it would have been caught at the next round of validation that all the votes go through before they are publicly announced.

It shows a system that works.

A clear statement does need to be made around this which addresses:

1. In the State where the 'glitch' was found, what was done to redress it? What 'audit' has been done on the processes involved?
2. Was/Is the same 'glitch' likely to have occurred in any other State?
3. a) If yes, have those States checked whether it actually did occur or not?
b) If no, can that be explained to ensure confidence?
4. If 3 a) shows that it did occur elsewhere: What State(s)? What was the effect? What was done to redress? Has the redress been 'audited'?

Clear, open communication will deal with pernicious undercurrents alleging 'voter fraud', OR, the system didn't actually work.

Itssoeasy · 07-11-2020 02:18AM

Brian? wrote: »

There are serious rumblings that Nancy won't be speaker.

Right, so which one of the democratic members will take over ? Is AOC and her lot going to become speaker ?

letowski · 07-11-2020 02:19AM

Maricopa County are going to have their next big drop of about 60-70k votes at about 2am.

Probably could put to bed any chance of a Trump comeback in AZ if he cant get his numbers up close to 60%.

Francie Barrett · 07-11-2020 02:21AM

letowski wrote: »

Maricopa County are going to have their next big drop of about 60-70k votes at about 2am.

Probably could put to bed any chance of a Trump comeback in AZ if he cant get his numbers up close to 60%.

Just go to bed. The race is over, it's only a formality at this stage.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero · 07-11-2020 02:23AM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Right, so which one of the democratic members will take over ? Is AOC and her lot going to become speaker ?

AOC is a senator so while I believe she could be speaker she would be the first senator to do so. So basically, no, it'll be a representative, not a senator.

Quin_Dub · 07-11-2020 02:26AM

Big Pussy Bonpensiero wrote: »

AOC is a senator so while I believe she could be speaker she would be the first senator to do so. So basically, no, it'll be a representative, not a senator.

AOC is a member of congress , not the Senate.

Technically yes , she could be speaker , but she absolutely will not be.

Not yet anyway.

Rjd2 · 07-11-2020 02:26AM

For Forks Sake wrote: »

https://twitter.com/VanityFair/status/1324852450109624322

You could put that on pay-per-view. There'll be secret service agents tripping over each other to be rostered to work that day

He's not exactly handling this with class to say the least, but that's such a misleading headline when you read the story.

Clearly just looking for retweets.

Canice Picklington · 07-11-2020 02:27AM

breezy1985 wrote: »

Clinton was pretty bad and Obama had his moments but Bush Jr. I still think was a worse president from an outside view than Trump. Sure Trump talks crap but Bush started conflicts that have changed the world very much for the worse and w are dealing with it through terrorism and a refugee crisis to this day

Bush was an appalling president. He went to war on a lie and crashed the economy.

But he wasn't the first US president to go to war on a lie, Lyndon Johnson did so as well, though Johnson was a far superior president to Bush in every other way.

Bush was a stepping stone to Trump. Trump could not have happened without Bush.

But however bad Bush was, and he was terrible, he didn't sell his own country out like Trump did. He wouldn't have reacted as badly to Covid if it had happened on his watch. He at least tried to govern, if only in the utterly cack handed way that a bog standard useless, corporate Republican does. He didn't hate the people of his own country like Trump does. He didn't promote hatred between the people of his own country like Trump does. He didn't glory in sadism against his own people. He didn't praise Nazis and cultivate them as a private paramilitary group. He only created a parallel world of dystopian fantasy as regards some things, rather than literally everything. He wasn't quite as corrupt as Trump. He wasn't quite as anti-science as Trump. He didn't reject democracy to quite the same extent Trump does.

Trump would no doubt have crashed the US economy without a pandemic had he had another few years at it, and probably worse than Bush did. Crashing an economy takes time - even Bush only got around to it in his final year.

Bush left America in a place where it was possible, with some serious effort, to recover from what he did. I don't think Trump has. America now has to live with a rabid mob of 50-60 million people for whom basic truths are now a mortal attack on their whole identity.

Some legacy, and it will be a legacy, because the effects will be felt for a hell of a long time.

Saganist · 07-11-2020 02:27AM

Big Pussy Bonpensiero wrote: »

AOC is a senator so while I believe she could be speaker she would be the first senator to do so. So basically, no, it'll be a representative, not a senator.

AOC is in the house. Not a senator.

TomOnBoard · 07-11-2020 02:29AM

Big Pussy Bonpensiero wrote: »

AOC is a senator so while I believe she could be speaker she would be the first senator to do so. So basically, no, it'll be a representative, not a senator.

Ahem, Puss... AOC is a House Rep... New York's 14th district... Just sayin'

Itssoeasy · 07-11-2020 02:31AM

Big Pussy Bonpensiero wrote: »

AOC is a senator so while I believe she could be speaker she would be the first senator to do so. So basically, no, it'll be a representative, not a senator.

AOC isn’t a senator. She represents a New York district. I don’t know who you’ve her mixed up with but you’re wrong.

Rjd2 · 07-11-2020 02:35AM

Canice Picklington wrote: »

Bush was an appalling president. He went to war on a lie and crashed the economy.

But he wasn't the first US president to go to war on a lie, Lyndon Johnson did so as well, though Johnson was a far superior president to Bush in every other way.

Bush was a stepping stone to Trump. Trump could not have happened without Bush.

But however bad Bush was, and he was terrible, he didn't sell his own country out like Trump did. He wouldn't have reacted as badly to Covid if it had happened on his watch. He at least tried to govern, if only in the utterly cack handed way that a bog standard useless, corporate Republican does. He didn't hate the people of his own country like Trump does. He didn't promote hatred between the people of his own country like Trump does. He didn't glory in sadism against his own people. He didn't praise Nazis and cultivate them as a private paramilitary group. He only created a parallel world of dystopian fantasy as regards some things, rather than literally everything. He wasn't quite as corrupt as Trump. He wasn't quite as anti-science as Trump. He didn't reject democracy to quite the same extent Trump does.

Trump would no doubt have crashed the US economy without a pandemic had he had another few years at it, and probably worse than Bush did. Crashing an economy takes time - even Bush only got around to it in his final year.

Bush left America in a place where it was possible, with some serious effort, to recover from what he did. I don't think Trump has. America now has to live with a rabid mob of 50-60 million people for whom basic truths are now a mortal attack on their whole identity.

Some legacy, and it will be a legacy, because the effects will be felt for a hell of a long time.

Trump has left America in a mess, but Bush lit the middle east on fire with an illegal war. Thousands upon thousands dead , generations radicalised and ultimately no accountability which I just find astonishing.

Bush, Cheaney, Powell and all their toadies such as Frum, Kristol etc all seem to have been romanticised simply because they are not as vulgar as Trump.

I also think we should have a debate about Reagan when we discuss who was the worst president of recent times, his oversea interventionism and his horrific brand of trickle down economics which is still relevant has done so much damage not just to America but the world,,,oh and the aids crisis which he has handled just as badly Trump did covid and Bush Katrina.

Like Bush though, seems to get a pass because he isn't a vulgar pig like Trump.

Ranking from less bad....

Trump
Reagan
Bush

I will say though Trump if he had got another term could have surpassed the other two in terms of awfulness but thankfully not and his inability to put the work in when it came to oversea coups "saves " him somewhat.

The Iron Giant · 07-11-2020 02:36AM

TomOnBoard wrote: »

Clear, open communication will deal with pernicious undercurrents alleging 'voter fraud'

Hahaha. Yeah. Logic will never work.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero · 07-11-2020 02:37AM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

AOC is a member of congress , not the Senate.

Technically yes , she could be speaker , but she absolutely will not be.

Not yet anyway.

Saganist wrote: »

AOC is in the house. Not a senator.

TomOnBoard wrote: »

Ahem, Puss... AOC is a House Rep... New York's 14th district... Just sayin'

Itssoeasy wrote: »

AOC isn’t a senator. She represents a New York district. I don’t know who you’ve her mixed up with but you’re wrong.

I don't know why I thought she was a senator, I'm blaming the mental fatigue of the last few days. Thankfully my forced annual leave is ending soon and I can step away from this election for a few days. Embarrassingly, I even googled AOC to confirm she was a senator before I posted what I did....

Time for bed.

07-11-2020 02:50AM

breezy1985 wrote: »

Clinton was pretty bad and Obama had his moments but Bush Jr. I still think was a worse president from an outside view than Trump. Sure Trump talks crap but Bush started conflicts that have changed the world very much for the worse and w are dealing with it through terrorism and a refugee crisis to this day

Goes back to Bush senior and Reagan imo especially the cold war proxy conflicts like the Iran and Iraq war, and Afghanistan Soviet Union conflict.

Midlife · 07-11-2020 02:57AM

Yes. 9/11 was the trigger but Bush led a republican military industrial response that has literally killed millions and made large parts of the middle east and north Africa no go areas.

Then he bankrupted the country.

Trump was awful for America. Maybe the world in terms of thing like climate and generally spreading ignorance.

But mainly trump was bad for the US.

TomOnBoard · 07-11-2020 02:59AM

Big Pussy Bonpensiero wrote: »

I don't know why I thought she was a senator, I'm blaming the mental fatigue of the last few days. Thankfully my forced annual leave is ending soon and I can step away from this election for a few days. Embarrassingly, I even googled AOC to confirm she was a senator before I posted what I did....

Time for bed.

May you not be visited by Jimmy Bones in your slsep!

letowski · 07-11-2020 03:02AM

Maricopa County latest vote count:

Trump 38k
Biden 31k

Not good enough for Trump again. He will lose AZ. Just one more drop left in MC.

Biden still leads by about 30k.

Mr.Nice Guy · 07-11-2020 03:02AM

31,000 votes for Biden out of Maricopa County.

38,000 for Trump.

The Iron Giant · 07-11-2020 03:03AM

Great result for Biden in the grand scheme of things. That's the second last large drop in AZ, tomorrow's will be about 65000 more votes.

Canice Picklington · 07-11-2020 03:08AM

Somebody innocently throwing a piece of paper in the bin = the whole election was rigged by this deep state guy, let's make him go into hiding for his own safety

Trumpworld, a hate filled, dystopian, paranoid, reactionary world of total make believe, **** yeah

https://twitter.com/BrendanKeefe/status/1324885446632083458

letowski · 07-11-2020 03:10AM

Exclamation Marc wrote: »

Great result for Biden in the grand scheme of things. That's the second last large drop in AZ, tomorrow's will be about 65000 more votes.

As someone eloquently put it, Round 10/12 is finished and Biden is ahead on points.

US Presidential Election 2020 Thread II - Judgement Day(s)

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