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frozenfrozen · 04-11-2020 01:59PM

are they normally open or normally closed?

04-11-2020 02:03PM

frozenfrozen wrote: »

are they normally open or normally closed?

The various spiel from BMW suggest normally closed IMO " For example, during the warming-up phase and when operating at low loads, the BMW Active Kidney Grille is closed completely to maximize the aerodynamic efficiency"

Wailin · 04-11-2020 02:06PM

Augeo wrote: »

I'd think folk noticing the engine warming up quicker are used to diesels that don't generate as much excess heat compared to petrols

Don't really see where there's an arguement to be honest. So, having cold air passing through a cold engine just warming up, as opposed to cold air flowing under the said engine warming up has no affect you believe?

04-11-2020 02:13PM

Wailin wrote: »

Don't really see where there's an arguement to be honest. So, having cold air passing through a cold engine just warming up, as opposed to cold air flowing under the said engine warming up has no affect you believe?

No argument

The rad blocks air flow through an engine quite effectively........... the inner loop is isolated from the rad by a closed stat to enable fast heat-up.
The BMW spiel states when closed it aids aerodynamics

"For example, during the warming-up phase and when operating at low loads, the BMW Active Kidney Grille is closed completely to maximize the aerodynamic efficiency"

It doesn't say to minimise heat up time.

The engine is liquid cooled, not air cooled.

vintagevrs · 04-11-2020 02:23PM

Yeah in fairness Augeo, you totally ruined it for me as I thought it was a simple clever idea to keep the engine cosy during warm up period, but I never gave much more thought to it. I'd say you're right about the closed thermostat does prob +95% of this anyway. Having less cold air blowing through the engine bay no doubt helps a bit, but not as much as I prob first thought.

Thanks for that!

04-11-2020 02:24PM

........ was just chatting

vintagevrs · 04-11-2020 02:30PM

I'm being genuine enough with that though. I usually try and weed about the PR crap from the genuine innovations, or at least think I do, that car companies throw at us. I remember seeing the flaps on the F10, and thinking that's clever and no one would prob even know they are there. Now they are using it more of a marketing pitch for active aero etc.

I'd say your 110 on the thermostat though, which didn't even enter my head.

frozenfrozen · 04-11-2020 02:59PM

people used to use radiator blinds to stop over cooling in winter so there probably is an effect on how soon it comes up to temperature but in all that marketing stuff the emphasis is on aero not warming up

edit: as above, not arguing just talking about it

Wailin · 05-11-2020 03:44PM

Audi RS e-tron GT. This thing is quick.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVN6Tlg_raQ

Cyrus · 05-11-2020 03:49PM

Wailin wrote: »

Audi RS e-tron GT. This thing is quick.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVN6Tlg_raQ

awesome, i wonder how itll stack up against the taycan price wise

carsfan2 · 05-11-2020 06:38PM

Is this not essentially a Porsche Taycan for slightly less wealthy people?
Looks great anyway. I increasingly think I may go electric next.

By the way Wailin, are you the owner of a f10 530d now? Did the deal happen?

Wailin · 05-11-2020 07:38PM

No. Had another call about it recently but lockdown means no one can view the car. I think I'd actually crap my pants if someone said they'd take it off me! Got it back from the dealers after a brake fluid service all washed and spotless. Got me thinking why am I even selling it. It's a gorgeous car if I do say so myself!

mickdw · 06-11-2020 12:02AM

Wailin wrote: »

No. Had another call about it recently but lockdown means no one can view the car. I think I'd actually crap my pants if someone said they'd take it off me! Got it back from the dealers after a brake fluid service all washed and spotless. Got me thinking why am I even selling it. It's a gorgeous car if I do say so myself!

I think you are mad selling it and will likely have to take a hit to get it sold.

carsfan2 · 06-11-2020 01:13PM

mickdw wrote: »

I think you are mad selling it and will likely have to take a hit to get it sold.

I can’t imagine you could replace the 540i with anything that would compare for what you will get for it.
I would hold on if at all possible.

Idbatterim · 06-11-2020 01:47PM

hold onto it, you always get less than you expect to get...

maddness · 06-11-2020 04:01PM

Idbatterim wrote: »

hold onto it, you always get less than you expect to get...

A lot less...

Idbatterim · 06-11-2020 04:19PM

maddness wrote: »

A lot less...

yeah I had written a lot less, but took it out, best case scenario, less than you thought, truthfully, its usually a lot less... why i put any thoughts of selling my car out of my head, couldnt even get a decent petrol in this country any more around the years I would be looking any way, makes the decision pretty easy for me and actually better, because the constant itch to change is a head melt and financial drain

SummerK · 06-11-2020 05:39PM

Wailin wrote: »

No. Had another call about it recently but lockdown means no one can view the car. I think I'd actually crap my pants if someone said they'd take it off me! Got it back from the dealers after a brake fluid service all washed and spotless. Got me thinking why am I even selling it. It's a gorgeous car if I do say so myself!

Your ad seems to have been removed. Did you manage to sell your car?

Wailin · 06-11-2020 05:55PM

Made a decision to keep it. It won't sell in the current climate and I won't sell it for what people expect to pay for it ie. half nothing. Carsfan made a very valid point. If i sold it for 40k, there's nothing really out there of equal value that would satisfy me. I'd love an m340i touring, but they are nowhere near 40k.

vintagevrs · 06-11-2020 07:21PM

Why a 340i touring? I would have thought your own is better car overall package for comfort etc. no?

James Bond Junior · 06-11-2020 07:44PM

vintagevrs wrote: »

Why a 340i touring? I would have thought your own is better car overall package for comfort etc. no?

Nothing as cool as a fast estate in fairness.

maddness · 06-11-2020 08:28PM

I think the M340i is probably the best of the B58 engined cars, especially in estate form.
As much as I love a 540i like Wallins car I have always thought that any fast car bigger than a 3 series size is rather pointless in Ireland. Driving fast on a motorway is boring and licence loosing here but a good drive on a backroad is always great craic as long as the car is not too big.
Small and fast equals a lot of fun, big and fast is very impressive but probably less fun in most situations.

Wailin · 06-11-2020 08:32PM

vintagevrs wrote: »

Why a 340i touring? I would have thought your own is better car overall package for comfort etc. no?

I think a 3/4 series is a better match up with that B58 engine. Smaller, less refined and not as comfortable, yes, but sportier and better suited to a high revving petrol engine.

Most won't agree with me here, but the 5 series, imo, is more suited to the 3 litre diesel. It's a comfortable cruiser, not a sports car, and the higher torque, lower revs of a diesel suits it perfectly. Having had the 535d and now 540i, I came across this review and it makes a lot of sense.

https://www.evo.co.uk/bmw/5-series/18586/bmw-540i-review-petrol-six-plays-second-fiddle-to-the-diesel

06-11-2020 08:39PM

The 5 might be more suited to the 3.0 diesel but not many folk do the mileage or long runs to suit IMO.

vintagevrs · 06-11-2020 08:54PM

I always had the impression that the 5 was suited to the diesel more from your responses/opinion on your own car. The 5 is so refined that it prob hides the diesel part very well in the cabin.

Wailin · 06-11-2020 09:08PM

Yes it certainly does, which is great with the diesel, but not so much when you want to hear the smooth straight 6 petrol! Did you take down your ad as well vintage?

maddness · 06-11-2020 09:37PM

Wailin wrote: »

I think a 3/4 series is a better match up with that B58 engine. Smaller, less refined and not as comfortable, yes, but sportier and better suited to a high revving petrol engine.

Most won't agree with me here, but the 5 series, imo, is more suited to the 3 litre diesel. It's a comfortable cruiser, not a sports car, and the higher torque, lower revs of a diesel suits it perfectly. Having had the 535d and now 540i, I came across this review and it makes a lot of sense.

https://www.evo.co.uk/bmw/5-series/18586/bmw-540i-review-petrol-six-plays-second-fiddle-to-the-diesel

The M140i is the complete opposite, it’s a hooligan. I actually think a large six cylinder diesel would be the perfect second car with one.

vintagevrs · 06-11-2020 09:53PM

Wailin wrote: »

Yes it certainly does, which is great with the diesel, but not so much when you want to hear the smooth straight 6 petrol! Did you take down your ad as well vintage?

Nope, still there

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/bmw-330d-x-drive-touring/26422604

Donedeal had the nct expiry wrong, so I mailed them and they fixed it and spot lighted the ad for the trouble which was decent but maybe a different ad id.

Voodoomelon · 06-11-2020 10:21PM

maddness wrote: »

I think the M340i is probably the best of the B58 engined cars, especially in estate form.
As much as I love a 540i like Wallins car I have always thought that any fast car bigger than a 3 series size is rather pointless in Ireland. Driving fast on a motorway is boring and licence loosing here but a good drive on a backroad is always great craic as long as the car is not too big.
Small and fast equals a lot of fun, big and fast is very impressive but probably less fun in most situations.

Depends on what you're looking for. "Fun" typically means stiffer ride, more road noise, more wind noise, less refinement and less comfort. For many, its worth reducing the fun level a few clicks for an increase in every other area.

The only way around it is to have two cars with two functions, best of both worlds.

maddness · 06-11-2020 10:38PM

Voodoomelon wrote: »

Depends on what you're looking for. "Fun" typically means stiffer ride, more road noise, more wind noise, less refinement and less comfort. For many, its worth reducing the fun level a few clicks for an increase in every other area.

The only way around it is to have two cars with two functions, best of both worlds.

Agreed, I have plenty of fun but not much comfort. That’s why I think a fast 3 series or similar is hard to beat.

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