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Trump vs Biden 2020, And the winner is.......... (pt 4) Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,355 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    funnydoggy wrote: »
    CNN just laid out a tiebreaker situation. Scary stuff

    In fairness they have to fill air when there's so little happening. Not a chance of a tie-breaker now but it eats up 20 minutes to go through the possibilities.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 220 ✭✭holdyerhorses


    newhouse87 wrote: »
    Voter fraud is not goin to account for the sizeable margin biden is going to win by in PA. The republican party can be pretty happy with their outing, they dont need trump. The dems also know they need to start listening to rural america and not tarring them all with the 1 brush.

    This is it. GOP will be delighted to see the back of him, even if it means losing, by admittedly small enough margins.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,249 ✭✭✭TomSweeney


    its blindingly obvious now that massive voter fraud in my opinion does not matter to people.
    unfortunately trump has all the levers of power.
    if somehow this is stolen its civil war. I have a few friends in US and they are not letting this go.


    Which side ? are you saying right now it's being stolen by D, or that if DJT goes to supreme court and wins it's been stolen ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 108 ✭✭CountNjord


    Whether Trump is an idiot or lacks a filter and say's what he likes and it's uncomfortable to digest.

    His foreign policy and the fact that he didn't declare war on anyone else is a testament to his presidency.

    Never before has the Korean peninsula been more peaceful, it's a bit dodgy with Iran at the moment still, but hopefully it'll stabilise.

    Did Biden approve on Obama's decision to take out Bin Laden ???

    It's suggest that he didn't...

    For 40 years Biden hasn't made any impact on the political decisions in the United States.

    If he gets in I wish him and the American people luck, because they'll need it.

    What will Biden do for local industry ?

    Will the textile industry go as well with Bidens policy, I don't think so.

    Love Trump or hate him, he's a business man who's a loose cannon. He's not a politician but nobody likes a boss who's confident, brash and not afraid to be ruthless.

    Can Biden supporters here tell me something great about Biden, besides saying he's not like Trump ???

    I don't think so.

    I'm not stating fact's, it's just my observation analysis.

    I'll admit Trump say's things that are not savory to most people, but actions speak louder than words.

    Mark my words, if Biden gets in it'll be because people don't like Trump and that's a really pitiful way to vote.

    I'd prefer Jo Jorgensen to get in than Biden to be honest.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,825 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    I'm not conflating anything, thanks.

    FB removed a 'Stop the Steal' group yesterday which had hundreds of thousands of members join in hours, and was calling for 'boots on the ground' to protect the elections.

    350,000+ I think when it was stopped


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,355 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    seamus wrote: »
    The MAGA tears are just so delicious and so enjoyable to behold.

    "We never said we were going to win. He's done better than last time, that's a victory!"

    The best is the "he got more votes than Obama!" medal that's been handed out.

    Ignoring the fact that Biden has received the most votes ever.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,679 ✭✭✭elefant


    You are conflating white supremacist groups with Trump supporters. Of course there have been right wing nutjobs in the past and probably will be in the future. But there is no serious threat of violence from mobs of Trump supporters.

    Not all Trump supporters are white supremacists, but just about all white supremacists are Trump supporters. There is clearly a threat of violence from those Trump supporters.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭brick tamland


    We should be terrified by this election. Two horrifying candidates, neither of whom can string a coherent sentence together never mind run a country.

    There will be no winners no matter what the result.

    We have dementia Joe against the Donald. You couldn't pick two worse candidates if you tried. Ii thought Hillary Clinton was an embarrassing candidate but they've outdone themselves this time.

    I was born 1977 and to be honest I couldn't give you three presidential achievements worthy of the name in the intervening 43 year period.

    I fully expect that trend to continue no matter who wins this election.

    To be honest I'd take Boris Johnson over these two planks. That's how bad they are.

    Don't agree with this at all

    Whatever your personal feelings are about Biden I think he was the perfect Dem candidate for this election. Elderly statesman, sits just on the right of centre. Made it very easy for people slightly unsure of Trump or annoyed with Trumps pandemic response to switch blue.

    I don't think Bernie or one of the young pups like AOC or Harris would have had the same effect. Plus the further left you go the more Latino voters you lose


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,011 ✭✭✭✭Giblet


    Enquiring wrote: »
    Yes but the site owners pick people to moderate and decide what views are allowed and which should be banned. As you've said, it's pretty clear that there's a bias here.

    I've moderated over 20 forums here.

    No decisions are made beyond.. don't allow arseholes to derail threads. I mean, the forum charters are like a cheatbook, they TELL you want you shouldn't do.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,117 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    I'm not conflating anything, thanks.

    FB removed a 'Stop the Steal' group yesterday which had hundreds of thousands of members join in hours, and was calling for 'boots on the ground' to protect the elections.

    Now, you can continue to deny reality and say 'oh it's only one person here and there', but you're very wrong.

    Trump lost.

    It really is that simple.


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    Smee_Again wrote: »
    As of September over 93% of the BLM and other left-wing protests have been peaceful and of those that included violence some of that was instigated by right wing agitators.

    The bolded part of your statement is very applicable to you.

    What kind of stat is that? How is 93% computed? Is BLM have a riot at an unauthorised demo, is that counted as part of the protests?

    Anyway, take your figure at face value, 7% of protests turning violent is a pretty big number. Imagine 7% of Trump rallies turning into riots?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,367 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    elefant wrote: »
    Not all Trump supporters are white supremacists, but just about all white supremacists are Trump supporters. There is clearly a threat of violence from those Trump supporters.

    You say this on the basis of what.. stuff you've heard from media?

    The media love the drama. Most Americans are just ordinary decent people, not interested in rioting etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,982 ✭✭✭MeMen2_MoRi_


    The best is the "he got more votes than Obama!" medal that's been handed out.

    Ignoring the fact that Biden has received the most votes ever.

    More bombs then Obama.. check

    More votes then Obama.. check..

    MAGA wins the day!


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    its blindingly obvious now that massive voter fraud in my opinion does not matter to people.
    unfortunately trump has all the levers of power.
    if somehow this is stolen its civil war. I have a few friends in US and they are not letting this go.

    I think its more likely the people just don't believe it.

    I don't expect a civil war, I do expect a few nutjobs won't let it go.

    I do expect at some point the GOP elders will intervene and advise Trump it's in his own best interests to accept the results.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,068 ✭✭✭yermandan




  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 220 ✭✭holdyerhorses


    Trump lost.

    It really is that simple.

    And they are all, incl. his supporters (be it his worldview or his voters) are all desperatly trying to minimise it all.

    Oh he wasn't a nice person, we never said he was, but he got some things done..

    Ohh, no, no, not violent, no, that was the left, just 'peaceful guys with guns', no no, exercising they 2nd AR to stand on the street corenrs with big guns during an election. Sorry about that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,679 ✭✭✭elefant


    You say this on the basis of what.. stuff you've heard from media?

    Stuff that I've heard from the media? Are you really arguing in good faith that white supremacist groups aren't supporting Donald Trump?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭Enquiring


    Giblet wrote: »
    I've moderated over 20 forums here.

    No decisions are made beyond.. don't allow arseholes to derail threads. I mean, the forum charters are like a cheatbook, they TELL you want you shouldn't do.

    But you said there was bias here, didn't you? That bias shouldn't be removed?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭Smee_Again


    What kind of stat is that? How is 93% computed? Is BLM have a riot at an unauthorised demo, is that counted as part of the protests?

    Anyway, take your figure at face value, 7% of protests turning violent is a pretty big number. Imagine 7% of Trump rallies turning into riots?

    Read up on it here.

    It makes for interesting reading if one is goes in with an open mind.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Graham wrote: »
    I do expect at some point the GOP elders will intervene and advise Trump it's in his own best interests to accept the results.
    I wonder if they will? It doesn't appear to be damaging the Republican party to have him ranting and raving, so perhaps better (from their perspective) to let him drag this through the courts and make it the Democrats problem. You don't want to be the Republican who Trump accuses of causing him to lose by advising him to concede, because you know he doesn't have the maturity to admit he lost without blaming someone else.

    It's spineless, but if I was a GOP politician thinking of a 2024 run I'd say nothing much (look at Nikki Haley's tweet today).


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,768 ✭✭✭✭degrassinoel




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    elefant wrote: »
    Not all Trump supporters are white supremacists, but just about all white supremacists are Trump supporters. There is clearly a threat of violence from those Trump supporters.

    The most charitable thing you can say about Trump supporters is that white supremacy was not a deal breaker for them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭Enquiring


    More bombs then Obama.. check

    More votes then Obama.. check..

    MAGA wins the day!

    You're not allowed to discuss Obama's record with bombs here I don't think.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,982 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Graham wrote: »
    I think its more likely the people just don't believe it.

    I don't expect a civil war, I do expect a few nutjobs won't let it go.

    I do expect at some point the GOP elders will intervene and advise Trump it's in his own best interests to accept the results.

    Quite a hopeful view. I suspect Trump will spew conspiracies, incite violence and this will drag on for weeks if not months. Apart from mutterings I doubt the GOP will lift a finger, they are terrified of Trumps support turning on them


  • Posts: 7,272 ✭✭✭ Decker Gentle Ax


    Woke up to see Biden winning GA with the gap closing in on PA too.. not looking good for Donnie.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,922 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Enquiring wrote: »
    You're not allowed to discuss Obama's record with bombs here I don't think.

    says who?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,185 ✭✭✭Tchaikovsky


    You say this on the basis of what.. stuff you've heard from media?

    The media love the drama. Most Americans are just ordinary decent people, not interested in rioting etc.

    The Trump fan who shot and killed 23 people in El Paso in 2019, for one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,367 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    elefant wrote: »
    Stuff that I've heard from the media? Are you really arguing in good faith that white supremacist groups aren't supporting Donald Trump?

    I said nothing of the sort.

    I said that most Americans are decent, ordinary people, not interested in rioting.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,443 ✭✭✭sondagefaux


    CountNjord wrote: »
    Whether Trump is an idiot or lacks a filter and say's what he likes and it's uncomfortable to digest.

    His foreign policy and the fact that he didn't declare war on anyone else is a testament to his presidency.

    Never before has the Korean peninsula been more peaceful, it's a bit dodgy with Iran at the moment still, but hopefully it'll stabilise.

    Did Biden approve on Obama's decision to take out Bin Laden ???

    It's suggest that he didn't...

    For 40 years Biden hasn't made any impact on the political decisions in the United States.

    If he gets in I wish him and the American people luck, because they'll need it.

    What will Biden do for local industry ?

    Will the textile industry go as well with Bidens policy, I don't think so.

    Love Trump or hate him, he's a business man who's a loose cannon. He's not a politician but nobody likes a boss who's confident, brash and not afraid to be ruthless.

    Can Biden supporters here tell me something great about Biden, besides saying he's not like Trump ???

    I don't think so.

    I'm not stating fact's, it's just my observation analysis.

    I'll admit Trump say's things that are not savory to most people, but actions speak louder than words.

    Mark my words, if Biden gets in it'll be because people don't like Trump and that's a really pitiful way to vote.

    I'd prefer Jo Jorgensen to get in than Biden to be honest.

    You lost, get over it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,033 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Graham wrote: »

    I do expect at some point the GOP elders will intervene and advise Trump it's in his own best interests to accept the results.

    I really can't see that happening after the Dems not accepting the results for the last 4 years, this time it's not some Russian hoax it played out in broad daylight and it was American interference.


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