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Trump vs Biden 2020, And the winner is.......... (pt 4) Read OP

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  • #8252
    For Forks Sake
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,837 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake


    Would be delightful if it was John Lewis former district that puts Biden over the top in Georgia


  • #8253
    Busi_Girl08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,522 ✭✭✭✭Busi_Girl08


    Let's keep inmind that even after Biden's win, Trump will still be pres until January. I'm genuinely worried about what he's going to do while he still has the power to do so.

    Whatever happens, it's not going to be a peaceful transition.


  • #8254
    cj maxx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,664 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    Forget trump /Biden . The 2 most impressive things are the boobs on your wan on cnn :)
    Light entertainment


  • #8255
    johnmcdnl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,739 ✭✭✭johnmcdnl


    sondagefaux wrote: »
    US presidential elections have two phases: the democratic vote and the Electoral College vote.

    Clinton won the democratic vote in 2016.

    She received 65,853,514 votes; Trump received 62,984,828 votes.

    Trump is a two-for-two loser in the democratic vote phase of the presidential elections.

    If it wasn't for the archaic and undemocratic electoral college system, Trump would never have become president.

    His supporters should remember that when they try to lecture the rest of us about respecting his mandate.

    Whether the electoral college is fair or not is a discussion for another day, but if the system to choose the president was based on overall votes rather than the EC, then different campaigns and campaigning may have been used.

    If I am a Republican in California I mightn't brother my arse to go vote. Likewise a democrat in Alaska.
    You can't say winning popular vote in 2016 would have translated to a win for Hilary Clinton if a different system was in use. It just isn't that simple.


  • #8256
    ThunbergsAreGo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭ThunbergsAreGo


    What is Matt Cooper going to do when this is done....


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  • #8257
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,947 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    In Nixons case senior republicans showed up at the White House with whiskey and revolver to tell him to go.

    Same again, I predict.


    Lindsay Graham i think is the most senior republican ive seen supporting him, giuliani and gingirch don't really count imo.



    Its down to Mitch now i think and id say hes waiting to see which way Georgia and Pennsylvania go.


  • #8258
    tigger123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,593 ✭✭✭tigger123


    schmoo2k wrote: »
    Parking Trump for a moment - the Democrats have really underperformed in the House and Senate - looks like the Jan run off elections for the Senate are going to be very important. Again shame on the Democrats for running a poor campaign.

    They have a lot of soul searching to do. They're like Labour in England in so far as they've drifted more towards the liberal middle classes and left the working class behind.

    But maybe that's the way forward; the right will represent the lower class and the left the middle class.

    The left everywhere is in the same boat; it needs to figure out who and what it is.


  • #8259
    Penn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,595 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    robinph wrote: »
    There is nothing for the court to side with though, its all just crazy ranting from the depths of Trumps head.

    The court would still need to see some evidence of something to make a decision.

    I think Trump's speech last night put a huge hole in any legal challenges he might make. It's shown that the states he's accusing are the ones he's losing in which could swing the election, he has no proof and these are just things he's heard. Hell at one point he was saying observers weren't allowed to be close enough to the counters, but had to be 40ft away.... 60ft... 80... 100........ outside...... They're having to use binoculars....

    It's rambling. I wouldn't have expected him to start showing evidence during his speech, but his accusations weren't even in any way coherent or logical. That speech last night will be used to counter any legal challenges he makes to higher courts.


  • #8260
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    Kolton Salty Streamer wrote: »
    Pennsylvania:

    Trump ahead by 18k

    160k votes to come in from mainly strongly democratic areas - some going over 80% Biden.

    So he could win by 100k.
    That might push him over the 1% recount margin.


  • #8261
    paddythere
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 439 ✭✭paddythere


    robinph wrote: »
    There is nothing for the court to side with though, its all just crazy ranting from the depths of Trumps head.

    The court would still need to see some evidence of something to make a decision.

    You're assuming the SC judges are moral and rational legal experts though. We're talking about Brett Kavanaugh, Amy Coney Barrett, Clarence Thomas etc... Add to this the fact that Trump supporters legitimately believe there has been fraud and since Trump predicted it, this seems to confirm it for them.

    The Trump's will point to a number of mistakes which inevitably happen when 150 million votes are cast (as well as conjuring up allegations of deliberate interference and anecdotal accounts) and the conservative judges will side with him imo.


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  • #8262
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,947 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    johnmcdnl wrote: »
    If I am a Republican in California I mightn't brother my arse to go vote. Likewise a democrat in Alaska.
    You can't say winning popular vote in 2016 would have translated to a win for Hilary Clinton if a different system was in use. It just isn't that simple.


    Then you would be stupid as theres also senate, house, state legislature and legislation changes on the ballot all of which most definitely could be affected by your vote.


  • #8263
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 42,921 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Billy Mays wrote: »
    What happened Donnie's biggest pair of cheerleaders on here???

    Site banned for numerous reregs


  • #8264
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,447 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Lindsay Graham i think is the most senior republican ive seen supporting him, giuliani and gingirch don't really count imo.



    Its down to Mitch now i think and id say hes waiting to see which way Georgia and Pennsylvania go.

    Graham is a total Trump sycophant. McConnell has already said that all the votes must be counted.


  • #8265
    Penn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,595 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    johnmcdnl wrote: »
    Whether the electoral college is fair or not is a discussion for another day, but if the system to choose the president was based on overall votes rather than the EC, then different campaigns and campaigning may have been used.

    If I am a Republican in California I mightn't brother my arse to go vote. Likewise a democrat in Alaska.
    You can't say winning popular vote in 2016 would have translated to a win for Hilary Clinton if a different system was in use. It just isn't that simple.

    No but at the very least the number of votes per state should be addressed, and perhaps extra EC votes go to the winner of the popular vote nationwide.

    It isn't that simple, but I think especially for most of us looking from the outside-in, there's a crazy system there that needs to be addressed.


  • #8266
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,947 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Graham is a total Trump sycophant. McConnell has already said that all the votes must be counted.


    No Graham is a leech, he will attach to whatever will get him where he wants to go, it used to be McCain now its Trump, tomorrow..... who knows?


  • #8267
    For Forks Sake
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,837 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Lindsay Graham i think is the most senior republican ive seen supporting him, giuliani and gingirch don't really count imo.



    Its down to Mitch now i think and id say hes waiting to see which way Georgia and Pennsylvania go.

    Graham is a pathetic sycophant, I often think that someone has a lot of dirt on him, he's never held an opinion of his own


  • #8268
    tigger123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,593 ✭✭✭tigger123


    paddythere wrote: »
    You're assuming the SC judges are moral and rational legal experts though. We're talking about Brett Kavanaugh, Amy Coney Barrett, Clarence Thomas etc... Add to this the fact that Trump supporters legitimately believe there has been fraud and since Trump predicted it, this seems to confirm it for them.

    The Trump's will point to a number of mistakes which inevitably happen when 150 million votes are cast (as well as conjuring up allegations of deliberate interference and anecdotal accounts) and the conservative judges will side with him imo.

    I'm not sure it will inevitably go to SCOTUS.


  • #8269
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,447 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    VinLieger wrote: »
    No Graham is a leech, he will attach to whatever will get him where he wants to go, it used to be McCain now its Trump, tomorrow..... who knows?

    I'm not so sure. Most of the other senior Republicans can see how the wind is blowing and are slowly backing away from Trump. Graham is doubling down.


  • #8270
    J2CVC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 139 ✭✭J2CVC


    Are they still counting votes or have they gone home for the night?


  • #8271
    DrumSteve
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,798 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Graham is a total Trump sycophant. McConnell has already said that all the votes must be counted.

    I would imagine that Lindsey, knowing Trump has some dirt on him, does not want to be a victim of his scorched earth policy.


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  • #8272
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,040 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    A republican candidate pretty much cannot win the popular vote anymore, california, NY and a few others on the eastern seaboard assure that.
    The electoral college is the only thing that means states like colorado or minesota actually have a say in their own elections

    The electoral college is a joke. But I get why you like it.


  • #8273
    Claremorrisdub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16 ✭Claremorrisdub


    i think if he has no other avenues left open to him when the dust settles, he will resign "in protest" pre January - and let Pence issue him with a blanket pardon :-)


  • #8274
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    tigger123 wrote: »
    I'm not sure it will inevitably go to SCOTUS.
    The alleged grounds are all over the place. SC might consider the PA law but at this stage there is very little indication that it might affect the result.


  • #8275
    super_furry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,355 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    https://twitter.com/camanpour/status/1324604137426849794?s=20


  • #8276
    BrentMused
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,386 ✭✭✭BrentMused


    My maths may be a little off here so I'm open to correction, but presuming Biden has won, then Trump will become the 9th shortest serving President out of the 44 in the history of the United States when he departs in January.

    Of the 8 who have stayed a shorter period - 3 died whilst in office, 2 were assassinated and you of course have Gerald Ford too who took office after Nixon's resignation.

    So the only 2 Presidents to have stayed a shorter period than Trump that haven't either died, been assassinated, or taken over from a President during his term are Chester Arthur (1881) and Millard Fillmore (1850).

    I know it's a nonsense looking at it by days served, and for any other President I wouldn't have bothered, but you just know these are the things that will eat away at Trump given how child-like he is! :pac:


  • #8277
    Penn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,595 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Long (but important) Twitter thread debunking the majority of fraud claims

    https://twitter.com/Ike_Saul/status/1324435797374808066?s=20


  • #8278
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,447 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    paddythere wrote: »
    You're assuming the SC judges are moral and rational legal experts though. We're talking about Brett Kavanaugh, Amy Coney Barrett, Clarence Thomas etc... Add to this the fact that Trump supporters legitimately believe there has been fraud and since Trump predicted it, this seems to confirm it for them.

    The Trump's will point to a number of mistakes which inevitably happen when 150 million votes are cast (as well as conjuring up allegations of deliberate interference and anecdotal accounts) and the conservative judges will side with him imo.

    Allegations and anecdotes are not evidence and people forget that the Supreme Court is not a trial court. If the elections have been conducted in accordance with the state laws (as seems they are) then there is nothing for them to adjudicate on.

    And also the legacy of a Supreme Court justice is a matter of significant historical record. Even the likes of Coney Barrett will not want their legacy to be smeared by allegations that they pulled a stroke for Trump. They have lifetime appointments - they no longer have any need to be loyal to Trump.


  • #8279
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,510 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    owlbethere wrote: »
    Trumps outgoing comments are awful....
    "the election is rigged...." as an example.

    Many people will probably adopt that narrative and all it will do is cause unrest if Joe Biden wins the presidency. Awful, awful, awful thing to do especially now in the middle of a pandemic with many people sick and dying over there. He never gave a sh1te about the pandemic and the health and care for his people with the novel coronavirus.

    The man has zero compassion for people. An absolute terror .

    The GOP put him where he is.

    The U.S. is a basket case of hate and division...desperate to see, because there are some great great people living there..

    Trump’s sole aim and sole achievement these past 4 years has been to divide and create mayhem and hate..awful awful human being!


  • #8280
    paddythere
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 439 ✭✭paddythere


    tigger123 wrote: »
    I'm not sure it will inevitably go to SCOTUS.

    Fair enough. Only time will tell. I think the plan for Trump has always been to go the SC. That's why his main focus has been on filling the courts with underqualified conservative judges who owe him a favour and alleging that the election will be fraudulent and everyone else is in on it. The end goal has always been the SC ever since Trump realized he was way behind in the polls.


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  • #8281
    Blowfish
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,112 ✭✭✭Blowfish


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Lindsay Graham i think is the most senior republican ive seen supporting him, giuliani and gingirch don't really count imo.



    Its down to Mitch now i think and id say hes waiting to see which way Georgia and Pennsylvania go.
    Pence and a few others are still trying to thread the needle of placating Trump, while deliberately avoiding the worst of his 'fraud' claims by using completely uncontroversial statements:


    https://twitter.com/Mike_Pence/status/1324503069447593988


    https://twitter.com/NikkiHaley/status/1324464411419922432


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