Leo Varadkar story in The Village??? - Mod Notes and banned Users in OP updated 16/05

Pintman Paddy Losty · 05-11-2020 06:44PM

Smacruairi wrote: »

When you make Simon Harris look good you know you're a terrible Tanaiste!Will go down with the Brian Cowens of the world as one of the worst Taoiseachs.

Deluded. Simply deluded.

History is going to look very kindly on Leo. A historical first gay Taoiseach who is exceptionally well respected internationally.

nacho libre · 05-11-2020 06:50PM

Fann Linn wrote: »

Apart from McSharry today, I cant think of any FF TDs calling it for what it is, a fairy tale.

Privately most of them are delighted to see Leo humbled.
Of course they'll row in behind him in public, Fianna Fowl are low in the polls. Mc Sharry really hates Micheal Martin, so i'm not too surprised by him being the dissenting voice

twowheelsonly · 05-11-2020 06:53PM

I have to say that even to my aged eyes this thread has been an eye opener.
I'm a 'non-party' voter and always have been (though hands up I will admit to a very slight lean towards FF)
I tend to vote for the man and not the party and in the past have probably voted for candidates from just about every party bar the Greens.

What I have garnered from this thread is that I will never again vote for a FG candidate regardless of my personal thoughts on the candidate themselves.
The absolute tribalism and blind loyalty to 'The Party' is shocking. Loyalty is admirable, blind loyalty is a character fault.

It's not just the posters on here, none of whom have directly addressed the issue at hand BTW and just admitted that he was wrong, it's their own party officials, none of whom have come out and publicly admitted that he was wrong to do what he did. To be fair to FF they hate each other as much as they hate any other parties and they're not slow to condemn their own when needs be. FG completely circle the wagons and not one of them is man enough or has the liathróidí to stand up and say he was wrong. In fact Leo is the only one who has come out and said he was wrong !!

One question I'd like to ask of the blind faithful here (if any of them are kind enough to answer..).
Where do you draw the line ? What action or perceived action would lead you to say "Ah here... enough is enough... he/she was wrong there and is bang out of order.." Where is that line ?

FrancieBrady · 05-11-2020 06:54PM

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

I forgot to add all the desperate "The village have more to come...they're drip feeding us.... There's a bigger scandal to come...." Very funny stuff.

Who said there is a 'bigger scandal' to come?

It's a big enough scandal as it is.

s1ippy · 05-11-2020 06:56PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Rolling, rolling....
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40076618.html

So what it comes down to is the text that could have proved when he sent the document is missing. So there will need to be a more thorough investigation to ascertain when exactly the document was sent. There's surely evidence of that detail somewhere.

Bannasidhe · 05-11-2020 07:00PM

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

Very entertaining to see how many people were predicting that this was the end of Varadkar. The end of this government. A massive scandal. Basing the levels of outrage on their own online twitter bubble where people spend their days retweeting cranks Mick Caul and Paddy Cosgrave.

Big smile on my face reading this thread watching the initial glee now turn to anger as your dreams were dashed and the world moves on.

It is really sad that some people are so in thrall to tribalism that they would prefer a lack of accountability and ethics in government to seeing one of 'their team' be sanctioned for impropriety.

Loyalty can be a great thing, but when that loyalty is to a political party at the expense of the welfare of the country then it's a dangerous, stupid, and short-sighted curse.

To all those who seek to gloss over this as a 'non-story' I guarantee you in the future another party - one you dislike - and another Taoiseach will pull a similar stunt and there will be F all you cheerleaders for Leo will be able to say about it as you have given tacit permission for stunts like this to continue.

You are making a cross not just for your own backs, but for the backs of your children.

stockshares · 05-11-2020 07:03PM

The Indo suggesting IMO silence might be bought.
Its behind a paywall.

Headline
IMO’s silence could be costly for the taxpayer if Government rewards it for keeping quiet

https://m.independent.ie/opinion/comment/imos-silence-could-be-costly-for-the-taxpayer-if-government-rewards-it-for-keeping-quiet-39709020.html

Bishop of hope · 05-11-2020 07:05PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

You are making a cross not just for your own backs, but for the backs of your children.

:D good one.

Plumbthedepths · 05-11-2020 07:07PM

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

Deluded. Simply deluded.

History is going to look very kindly on Leo. A historical first gay Taoiseach who is exceptionally well respected internationally.

The Brits accused him of leaking Brexit negotiation information, I doubt he's as respected as you think he is. This latest confirmation that Leo can't be trusted with confidential information will have others view him differently. The story made international news.

McMurphy · 05-11-2020 07:12PM

stockshares wrote: »

The Indo suggesting IMO silence might be bought.
Its behind a paywall.

Headline
IMO’s silence could be costly for the taxpayer if Government rewards it for keeping quiet

https://m.independent.ie/opinion/comment/imos-silence-could-be-costly-for-the-taxpayer-if-government-rewards-it-for-keeping-quiet-3970]

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Leo Varadkar spent two hours talking about his leaking controversy on Tuesday evening.

Micheál Martin has been defending him since Monday and did two sessions of Leader’s Questions on the debacle. Almost every TD in Fine Gael has been sent out to bat for the Taoiseach on the airwaves. Fine Gael must have run out of backbenchers on Tuesday because Fianna Fáil junior minister Niall Collins showed up on RTE’s Prime Time to throw his full support behind Leo Varadkar.

Some of Collins’s Fianna Fáil colleagues, such as Jim O’Callaghan and Marc MacSharry, have been less supportive of the Tánaiste.

The opposition has also had its say as it tried to inflict the most damage possible on the Coalition.

We have even heard from Leo Varadkar’s GP friend Dr Maitiú Ó Tuathail, whose private text messages have been plastered all over the national media and even read into the record of the Dáil.

But we have yet to hear from one of the main protagonists in this political saga – the Irish Medical Organisation (IMO). The IMO is keeping its powder so dry it would make you wonder if we will ever hear from it again.

The doctors’ union has every right to have its say on this political fiasco. It was a document it confidentially agreed with the Government that ended up in the hands of a rival union.

At the time, the relationship between the IMO and the National Association of General Practitioners (NAGP) was far from collegial.

Even before this leak emerged, the IMO believed the now disbanded NAGP was seeking to undermine it privately and publicly as part of an attempt to lure members over to its union.

It was a particularly poisonous rivalry, perfectly depicted in some of the more colourful text messages sent by Dr Ó Tuathail and the rest of the so-called ‘NAGP Inner Sanctum’.

The leaking of the contract by Leo Varadkar to the NAGP is not seen as a benevolent act within the IMO. Its members certainly do not believe the NAGP wanted to get a hold of the contract to convince its members to sign up. They believe quite the opposite in fact.

They believe the NAGP got a hold of the contract so it could poke holes in it and highlight the contract’s failings in a bid to convince IMO members that their union got them a bad deal.

The IMO is not shocked by the leaking of the document to Dr Ó Tuathail. Leaking is part and parcel of pay negotiations and is regularly used by unions to influence talks. However, some in the IMO were taken aback by the brazenness of Varadkar, posting it to his friend’s house days after it was agreed.

Which brings us back to the question: why has the union so far kept mum on the controversy?

One reason is it wants to bank the political capital ahead of future pay talks with the Government. Getting involved in what is essentially a political row will not help the IMO next time it’s seated at the negotiating table with Cabinet ministers, especially if its public comments forced one of them to resign.

But its silence may be a costly one for taxpayers if the Government rewards IMO members for keeping schtum.

Jinglejangle69 · 05-11-2020 07:21PM

McMurphy wrote: »

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The IMO is not shocked by the leaking of the document to Dr Ó Tuathail. Leaking is part and parcel of pay negotiations and is regularly used by unions to influence talks. However, some in the IMO were taken aback by the brazenness of Varadkar, posting it to his friend’s house days after it was agreed.

Interesting paragraph.

Rows Grower · 05-11-2020 07:34PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

My point exactly.

Let's be honest.

There has been no crime committed.

If there was the village know they would be in trouble for not disclosing it.

How do you come up with this gobbledey gook?

stockshares · 05-11-2020 07:44PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

The IMO is not shocked by the leaking of the document to Dr Tuathail. Leaking is part and parcel of pay negotiations and is regularly used by unions to influence talks. However, some in the IMO were taken aback by the brazenness of Varadkar, posting it to his friend’s house days after it was agreed.

Interesting paragraph.

I thought this one is more damning of Varadkar.
Quote
The leaking of the contract by Leo Varadkar to the NAGP is not seen as a benevolent act within the IMO. Its members certainly do not believe the NAGP wanted to get a hold of the contract to convince its members to sign up. They believe quite the opposite in fact.

They believe the NAGP got a hold of the contract so it could poke holes in it and highlight the contract’s failings in a bid to convince IMO members that their union got them a bad deal

stockshares · 05-11-2020 07:44PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

The IMO is not shocked by the leaking of the document to Dr Ó Tuathail. Leaking is part and parcel of pay negotiations and is regularly used by unions to influence talks. However, some in the IMO were taken aback by the brazenness of Varadkar, posting it to his friend’s house days after it was agreed.

Interesting paragraph.

I thought this one is more damning of Varadkar.

Quote
The leaking of the contract by Leo Varadkar to the NAGP is not seen as a benevolent act within the IMO. Its members certainly do not believe the NAGP wanted to get a hold of the contract to convince its members to sign up. They believe quite the opposite in fact.

They believe the NAGP got a hold of the contract so it could poke holes in it and highlight the contract’s failings in a bid to convince IMO members that their union got them a bad deal

James Brown · 05-11-2020 07:46PM

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

Jesus dude. No one gives a sh1t about this anymore. Have you looked at the top headlines. We're only at Thursday morning and this is already old news.

More interesting stuff going on in the US.

You came into this hurling abuse and telling us it was a non story. Didnt pan out over in the Maria Bailey thread either.
Was featured on Drive Time today and they are calling for Leo's pal to appear before committee.
Won't be going anywhere for a little bit..
Sure he did nothing bad so let them at it, what could possibly go wrong?

McMurphy · 05-11-2020 07:47PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

The IMO is not shocked by the leaking of the document to Dr Tuathail. Leaking is part and parcel of pay negotiations and is regularly used by unions to influence talks. However, some in the IMO were taken aback by the brazenness of Varadkar, posting it to his friend’s house days after it was agreed.

Interesting paragraph.

What part of it specifically was interesting?

McMurphy · 05-11-2020 07:47PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

The IMO is not shocked by the leaking of the document to Dr Ó Tuathail. Leaking is part and parcel of pay negotiations and is regularly used by unions to influence talks. However, some in the IMO were taken aback by the brazenness of Varadkar, posting it to his friend’s house days after it was agreed.

Interesting paragraph.

What part of it specifically was interesting?

Rows Grower · 05-11-2020 07:49PM

stockshares wrote: »

I thought this one is more damning of Varadkar.

Quote
The leaking of the contract by Leo Varadkar to the NAGP is not seen as a benevolent act within the IMO. Its members certainly do not believe the NAGP wanted to get a hold of the contract to convince its members to sign up. They believe quite the opposite in fact.

They believe the NAGP got a hold of the contract so it could poke holes in it and highlight the contract’s failings in a bid to convince IMO members that their union got them a bad deal

Careful now or you might be accused of being a homophobe.

Cluedo Monopoly · 05-11-2020 07:57PM

twowheelsonly wrote: »

One question I'd like to ask of the blind faithful here (if any of them are kind enough to answer..).
Where do you draw the line ? What action or perceived action would lead you to say "Ah here... enough is enough... he/she was wrong there and is bang out of order.." Where is that line ?

Great question. They wont answer but on some controversies I found myself thinking that some of the most blinkered would have loved living in Germany from 1929-1939.

smurgen · 05-11-2020 08:00PM

The same three or four posters keep coming back every evening to gleefully declare that we all have egg on our faces, storm in a teacup etc etc. Happening ever couple of dozen pages. Telling people in here they're cranks. All done without a shred of irony.

Fann Linn · 05-11-2020 08:05PM

Bowie wrote: »

You came into this hurling abuse and telling us it was a non story. Didnt pan out over in the Maria Bailey thread either.
Was featured on Drive Time today and they are calling for Leo's pal to appear before committee.
Won't be going anywhere for a little bit..
Sure he did nothing bad so let them at it, what could possibly go wrong?

Gardai, Dail Authorities and public standards watchdog all investigating plus a call gone out for Zero Craic to appear before Dail Committee according to Gavin Reilly.

Paddy says it's a non story.

05-11-2020 08:10PM

Fann Linn wrote: »

Gardai, Dail Authorities and public standards watchdog all investigating plus a call gone out for Zero Craic to appear before Dail Committee according to Gavin Reilly.

Paddy says it's a non story.

Wow that would be brilliant to see doc savage himself getting pierced by doherty too..

Jim Root · 05-11-2020 08:14PM

A cannot take Doherty seriously, he’s a real ogre.

05-11-2020 08:16PM

Jim Root wrote: »

A cannot take Doherty seriously, he’s a real ogre.

Your gonna have to,

Hes playing a blinder on this,laying waste to leo nonsense and ego over this

The days of fg laughing and taking electorate for dopes is over,thanks to likes of him

stockshares · 05-11-2020 08:21PM

smurgen wrote: »

The same three or four posters keep coming back every evening to gleefully declare that we all have egg on our faces, storm in a teacup etc etc. Happening ever couple of dozen pages. Telling people in here they're cranks. All done without a shred of irony.

Not just this thread either.

I think the instruction is to disrupt all threads.

Its far too common to be a coincidence.

Muahahaha · 05-11-2020 08:26PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Because the whistleblower who made an official complaint says the Gardai are actively investigating him has a different ring to it eh Blanch.

Tell me - did you dismiss McCabe as well?

Not only did blanch dismiss McCabe he spent over two years on here trying his best to blacken his name by making out he had no credibility and that Shatter and Callinan were the only people to be believed. That didnt turn out too well in the end.

Even after McCabe was shown by the O'Higgins Commission report to be a credible witness who was telling the truth and even after Leo himself had called McCabe "distinguished" blanch was on these boards still trying to slur the name of a good man. "McCabe has serious questions to answer" is what he said about him and when asked on numerous occasions what these serious questions were blanch had no answer whatsoever. It all follows the usual playbook for Fine Gael when it comes to whistleblowers, attack them and discredit them because the Party is always more important than everything else.

Fann Linn wrote: »

Peadar Toibin looking for ZeroCraic to face a Dail Committee now.

Ive been wondering why Maithu o'Tuahaill calls himself Dr. Zero Craic, he's been giving us all plenty of craic over this last few days.

McMurphy · 05-11-2020 08:33PM

stockshares wrote: »

Not just this thread either.

I think the instruction is to disrupt all threads.

Its far too common to be a coincidence.

It's the internet equivalent of a Rodeo Clown.

Rodeo Clowns enter the rodeo arena on foot, before the bull is released from the bucking chute. They stand on either side of the chute as the bull is released and work as a team to distract the bull and thus protect the rider and each other.[1] Their role is particularly important when a rider has been injured, in which case the bullfighter interposes himself between the bull and the rider, or uses techniques such as running off at an angle, throwing a hat, or shouting, so that the injured rider can exit the ring. Bullfighters are an extremely important asset to the bull rider, and will at times put their lives on the line to preserve the bull riders.[13] When a rider has been hung up, they face the extremely dangerous task of trying to free him, with one team member going to the bull's head and the other attempting to release the rider.[1]

1st dalkey dalkey · 05-11-2020 08:33PM

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I don't see much wrong with that in fairness. If you knew anything about Irish unions your jaw would hit the floor, they are a shambles.

Laughable that the lefties are acting like they have the GPs' backs all of a sudden? A month ago they were releasing shadow budgets hoping to crucify them with higher rates of tax... oh and encourage an extra 2,500 doctors to work here from abroad. I think patronising was the word I used at the time, not much has changed.

Although it is funny to see a party so used to being flahoolaigh with their own pieces of corruption, suddenly decide now is the time to get pedantic over a few texts. Guttersnipe stuff... and I am looking forward to when the worm turns here.

This non story has derided into a Friday afternoon classroom, when the teacher has phucked off for 15 minutes and everyone has started on the paper aeroplanes. The same posters having conniptions over a few texts were 2 weeks ago backing up Irish MP's getting paid by international drug cartels or condoning attrocities from the troubles. It stinks to be honest.

You're doing a lot of commenting on a non story, though.

And you are not alone.

It has brought an apology from Varadker.

Does he usually apologise for non stories?

No. Didn't think so.

So it is clearly not a non story.

So now we have to ask why you would claim it was?

And then try to sidetrack the discussion into SF and NI

FrancieBrady · 05-11-2020 08:36PM

It really really is time to call time on the 'dog ate my phone' excuses.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/department-of-finance-has-has-no-record-of-lenihan-phone-calls-1.1731245

Pintman Paddy Losty · 05-11-2020 08:36PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

It is really sad that some people are so in thrall to tribalism that they would prefer a lack of accountability and ethics in government to seeing one of 'their team' be sanctioned for impropriety.

Loyalty can be a great thing, but when that loyalty is to a political party at the expense of the welfare of the country then it's a dangerous, stupid, and short-sighted curse.

To all those who seek to gloss over this as a 'non-story' I guarantee you in the future another party - one you dislike - and another Taoiseach will pull a similar stunt and there will be F all you cheerleaders for Leo will be able to say about it as you have given tacit permission for stunts like this to continue.

You are making a cross not just for your own backs, but for the backs of your children.

Crosses to bear :rolleyes:

Get a grip my friend.

Leo shared information with a union to get them onside to get a very good deal over the line. We saw previously how troublesome NAGP can be at frustrating a deal with the U-6 medical care. He was doing the country a service in sharing the info which was already largely public.

This isn't the type of leaking we'd see if you had Minister for Justice Dessie Ellis. Where files would be handed over to bald headed hardshaws in some grimy Belfast pub.

Leo Varadkar story in The Village??? - Mod Notes and banned Users in OP updated 16/05

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