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Trump vs Biden 2020, And the winner is.......... (pt 4) Read OP

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  • #5852
    Necro
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 56,455 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    Earlier people were saying that he just meant voting should stop and of course he isn't saying that legitimate votes coming in after election day shouldn't be counted. Well, he's saying it now:

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1324368202139357186

    Any guesses as to what he "really means" this time? Because it looks to me like he's outright calling for legitimate votes to be thrown out.

    Anyone with a modicum of sense knows what he has been saying since his 'victory' speech on Wednesday morning.

    The problem simply is Trump hasn't the intelligence to understand how mail-in votes work.

    Republicans should be jettisoning him from the ship, he's dragging them down with him the longer they hold their tongues.

    Moderator: Current Affairs/IMHO, Soccer, Pro Wrestling



  • #5853
    Dressoutlet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 309 ✭✭Dressoutlet


    Is there a count due?


  • #5854
    quokula
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,841 ✭✭✭quokula


    Smee_Again wrote: »
    I havent watched the video but any change to the it would agree agreement from 38 states which is very unlikely.

    Republicans have only won the popular vote once since Bush Snr, those Republican led states would be mad to abolish it.

    It's quite a simple idea actually. States have been committing in their own law, that they will give their electoral college votes to whoever won the national popular vote, rather than their own local winner.

    Once 270 electoral college votes worth of states have done that, it doesn't matter what the other states do. The exact number of states needed depends how big they are (you'd need a lot of Alaskas but not many Californias), but my understanding is that they're not actually massively far away from getting there.


  • #5855
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,047 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    DeanAustin wrote: »
    Very good point. My brother in law is a Republican voter in New York. If he lives to be 100, his vote is never going to count. It's the same in all but a handful of states.

    When Tim Cook, CEO of Apple votes for a senator, his vote has 1/89th the signifigance of some hay seed in Wyoming.

    Sounds fair.


  • #5856
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Press conference now in GA


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  • #5857
    Dressoutlet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 309 ✭✭Dressoutlet


    Overheal wrote: »
    Press conference now in GA

    Links


  • #5858
    OscarMIlde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,555 ✭✭✭OscarMIlde


    tigger123 wrote: »
    Its like something you'd see in a banana republic; armed thugs patrolling the streets to ensure the correct election result is achieved.

    Yes, it's crazy how far America has devolved with Trump's encouragement. I actually felt a chill down my spine when I read this, it's straight from the nazi playbook.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/armed-groups-planning-to-monitor-polling-sites-on-election-day-2020-10?r=US&IR=T

    Stewart Rhodes, the leader of a far-right group called the Oath Keepers, told the Los Angeles Times on Saturday that his members would "be out on Election Day to protect people who are voting." He said some would be carrying concealed weapons.Rhodes said he was worried about "the radical left" targeting voters. A Pew Research survey at the end of July found that Trump supporters were more likely than Biden supporters to prefer in-person voting this year.

    "I'll be voting in person and so will everybody else I know, and I think the radical left knows that," Rhodes said.

    Rhodes said that his group would report issues to the police initially but that he's "not confident police will do their job."

    He said if his group noticed, for example, protesters at polling sites with guns, "we're going to intervene."

    "We've done it before," he said. "If the cops are doing their job, we'll just stand by. If they're not, we'll step in."


  • #5859
    DrumSteve
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,798 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    cnocbui wrote: »
    When Tim Cook, CEO of Apple votes for a senator, his vote has 1/89th the signifigance of some hay seed in Wyoming.

    Sounds fair.

    Tim Apple, you mean?


  • #5860
    ElChe32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,690 ✭✭✭ElChe32


    cnocbui wrote: »
    When Tim Cook, CEO of Apple votes for a senator, his vote has 1/89th the signifigance of some hay seed in Wyoming.

    Sounds fair.

    You mean Tim Apple surely?


  • #5861
    y0ssar1an22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,027 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    Smee_Again wrote: »
    I havent watched the video but any change to the it would agree agreement from 38 states which is very unlikely.

    Republicans have only won the popular vote once since Bush Snr, those Republican led states would be mad to abolish it.

    it needs the agreement of states that total to 270 electoral votes, 11 at the very least


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  • #5862
    DrumSteve
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,798 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    Georgia must be going to Joe if Trump is coming out with that


  • #5863
    nacho libre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,615 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Necro wrote: »

    Republicans should be jettisoning him from the ship, he's dragging them down with him the longer they hold their tongues.

    I think it's only a matter of time before Mitch says something. It's funny how Donald is not concerned about states that went his way after a close call. They must be the right kind of mail in ballots.
    It will be interesting to see what Donald and his team say if the supreme court rule against him. Will it be that the republican leaning Supreme Court was part of the conspiracy?

    I saw a meme a few weeks back about Donald having to be removed kicking and screaming from a creche by Mike Pence, the way it's going his removal from the White House won't be too far removed from whats depicted in the meme.


  • #5864
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,497 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Overheal wrote: »
    Press conference now in GA

    61K left.

    Not enough votes for Biden I reckon, will come up just short. Will be tight.


  • #5865
    Snickers Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭Snickers Man


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    I know some of these people and to be honest I don't blame them. The "left" (I hesitate to use that term because in my view authoritarianism really has no place in modern leftist politics) have spent the last ten years describing anyone with socially conservative views as stupid, subhuman, worthless pieces of sh!t. I've been saying this for years, but the alt-right did not come into existence in a vacuum, they are the inevitable equal and opposite reaction to the identity politics left attempting to close the Overton Window to exclude legitimate conservative beliefs from mainstream acceptance.

    My ex girlfriend is one of them, actually. She has extremely solid conservative views particularly on abortion (she regards herself as a survivor of same because she is certain her mother would have had one had it been legal in Ireland at the time) and when I met her ten years ago, that was her only die hard conservative belief. She is now a fully fledged far right activist for one reason and one reason only: She has been socially ostracised, humiliated and shunned by her family and social circle for being outspokenly anti-repeal over the course of the 2010s. She is extremely bitter and angry that, as she sees it (and as a leftist unfortunately I'm inclined to agree) the right is currently capable of separating the political from the personal, but the left refuses to do so.

    The reason she's eager to "own the libs" is because so many of those 'libs' have become insufferably arrogant, holier than thou and condescending towards anyone who disagrees with them. And anyone with any kind of confident personality reacts to being bullied by doubling down. The more people tell her her beliefs are "wrong" and "unacceptable", the more extreme she becomes in them.

    I could write a whole feckin' essay on this to be honest. I find it truly sad how anyone with right wing beliefs is treated by today's society. This woman is a good person, a good mother, a good friend, a committed activist, and literally all she gets from a lot of people in her life is abuse. She will try to talk about neutral things - movies, music, the social scene, the feckin' weather - and from what I can tell most people, one of her sisters in particular, will always find a way to swing every single conversation around to an attack on her conservative ideology. She can't get through a feckin' dinner without someone having a go at her about it. And when the left held such an immense balance of societal power in the earlier half of the 2010s, the gloating, condescending rubbing of her face into it was truly repulsive.

    By and large, it isn't the right wing who will look down on an entire human being for their political beliefs if they otherwise like them and get along. But many on the extremist identity "left" are willing to cut people out of their lives for "wrongthink".

    So to answer your question, yes, many conservatives are fuelled by spite. And that is an inevitable equal and opposition to the spite they faced from liberals earlier this decade. And that's coming from a die hard far left liberal myself, as anyone who recognises my username will know - I actually spent most of the Repeal referendum imploring my fellow Repeal advocates to campaign in a positive way instead of guilt bombing, bullying or attacking undecided and pro-life leaning voters.

    Nothing creates extremists faster than telling them that they must change their political beliefs or be punished for it. Nothing.


    If you (and your girlfriend) are from Ireland then what I find sad about this is that you and she are allowing your thinking to be straitened into the polarised either/or decision-making process that is a feature mainly of the Anglo Saxon democracies but which is less applicable elsewhere.

    If you think that the answer to "left-wing" or "liberal" priggishness is voting for Donald Trump, then you really are asking the wrong question!

    Sadly in America, the system is skewed to a binary choice between one or the other. It is to America's detriment that this is so. Many people over there are beginning to realise it themselves. I normally wouldn't piss on a neoconservative's head if his brain was on fire but David Frum, a former "Dubya" speechwriter, who claims authorship of the phrase "axis of evil" was even pontificating in The Atlantic on that very topic. I can agree with him on this.

    Britain has a similar problem. You can really only vote for one of the two main parties. Anything else is a waste, unless you have a party with concentrated local support. Even Nigel Farage can see that. (I would never get tired of hitting him in the face with a baseball bat either, but he is right about the British electoral system).

    Look at the knots in which they are tying themselves in Britain as they try to superimpose a vital question of identity politics (Brexit) on to a binary choice between socialism and free-market liberalism which is essentially a completely different question and you see the chaos it generates.

    It could well lead to a breakup of the UK as we know it, or at least a potentially violent discussion of same. This is highly probable in Northern Ireland and possible in Scotland. Less likely in Wales.

    In the more advanced democracies (Yes, I said it and I mean it) of Europe, including Ireland, there are more representative systems. They don't produce Utopias but they do help to put manners on politicians. The "Civil War" politics that have endured in Ireland, a perennial tribal spat between Fine Gael and Fianna Fail regarding whose side their grandparents were on 100 years ago, has been shown up for the anachronism it was with the majority of people voting for alternative parties at the last election.

    We didn't have to vote for one or the other, we could and did vote for different parties altogether. Now you may say with some justification "Oh great! We wanted neither and we got both!" but at least we curbed the excesses of each and let them know that they can't be guaranteed of our support simply by denigrating each other ad nauseam, which is what happens in America.

    It is highly likely that neither will be in the next government. Unless they get their act together and do something about the really important stuff, like housing and health.

    So if your girlfriend lives here and chooses to indulge in what I call Anglo Saxon Bipolar Disorder, then I have no sympathy. That is a British/American disease which is not applicable here. We are as better placed to deal with that pestilence as we are at combating Covid. (Not great but not as bad as those two dysfunctional democracies)


  • #5866
    funnydoggy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    Georgia looking good for Biden!


  • #5867
    Smee_Again
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭Smee_Again


    y0ssar1an22 wrote: »
    it needs the agreement of states that total to 270 electoral votes, 11 at the very least

    No, it needs a super majority. 38/50 states.


  • #5868
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Dressoutlet wrote: »
    Links
    It was on CNN, a list of where they have not finished counting - total of about 61K. They plan to finish the rest of the count today.


  • #5869
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,717 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Boggles wrote: »
    61K left.

    Not enough votes for Biden I reckon, will come up just short. Will be tight.

    61K left to count, not to report.


  • #5870
    vojiwox
    Closed Accounts Posts: 416 ✭✭vojiwox


    froog wrote: »
    i have to say though, states should be able to get a final count in 24 hours, mail in or not. Florida and a few other states managed it. this waiting 3 days for a state to get a result in just adds to the chaos and division.

    Florida don't have a final count though do they?


  • #5871
    y0ssar1an22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,027 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    cnocbui wrote: »
    Afghanistan, but if you are fishing for a win on the big picture, you are going home with an empty basket:

    https://www.newsweek.com/trump-era-record-number-bombs-dropped-middle-east-667505

    Now imagine adding another 3 years of ordnance and strikes to that.

    wasnt looking for a 'win'. just when i see stats to backup a claim about total bombs but the stats only reference afghanistan, then yeah, i will question that.


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  • #5872
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    Earlier people were saying that he just meant voting should stop and of course he isn't saying that legitimate votes coming in after election day shouldn't be counted. Well, he's saying it now:

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1324368202139357186

    Any guesses as to what he "really means" this time? Because it looks to me like he's outright calling for legitimate votes to be thrown out.

    It's exactly what he means. There is a very obvious dumbass in charge the past four years. How anyone can still support the ramblings of this looney is beyond me.


  • #5873
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,497 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Deleted User wrote: »
    61K left to count, not to report.

    Haven't heard that, link?

    You imagine they would have uploaded any counted votes by now.


  • #5874
    vojiwox
    Closed Accounts Posts: 416 ✭✭vojiwox


    Boggles wrote: »
    61K left.

    Not enough votes for Biden I reckon, will come up just short. Will be tight.

    THat's just to count though is it? Lots more to report?


  • #5875
    Mr Velo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,819 ✭✭✭Mr Velo


    Biden 1/10
    Trump 6/1

    On SkyBet currently


  • #5876
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Boggles wrote: »
    Haven't heard that, link?

    "Gabriel Sterling, Georgia’s statewide voting system implementation manager, said that 61,367 outstanding mail-in absentee ballots remained uncounted. The state aims to finish its count by noon." NYT


  • #5877
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,965 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Smee_Again wrote: »
    No, it needs a super majority. 38/50 states.


    No it doesnt once enough states that equal 270 electoral votes sign up to it then whoever wins the popular vote gets all their EC votes which being 270 means the popular candidate wins enough to be president


  • #5878
    rockatansky
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,337 ✭✭✭rockatansky


    Think Biden will fall short in Georgia.


  • #5879
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    VinLieger wrote: »
    No it doesnt once enough states that equal 270 electoral votes sign up to it then whoever wins the popular vote gets all their EC votes which being 270 means the popular candidate wins enough to be president

    There are faithless electors to consider.


  • #5880
    y0ssar1an22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,027 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    Smee_Again wrote: »
    No, it needs a super majority. 38/50 states.

    no. the states can decide what they want to do with their electoral votes. this is promising to go with the nationwide popular vote.

    its not abolishing the electoral college, but promising to use their electoral votes to go with the national popular vote; rather than the state popular vote.


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  • #5881
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,497 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Overheal wrote: »
    "Gabriel Sterling, Georgia’s statewide voting system implementation manager, said that 61,367 outstanding mail-in absentee ballots remained uncounted. The state aims to finish its count by noon." NYT

    I know that, the poster was saying there was votes besides them not reported yet.

    I haven't heard that, is there?


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