Trump vs Biden 2020, And the winner is.......... (pt 4) Read OP

cnocbui wrote: »

Trump dropped more bombs than Obama, he's just supressed reporting of it.

but but but.. fake news but, but.. nobel peace nominated but, but..

Biden getting 7/10 and 8/10 votes in Georgia.

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

What fascists are you thinking of, a fascist who not a single journalist is even remotely afraid of? Who has no more power than any other president in the past?

You're judging him by the outcome of his actions which so far have not been successful, but if he could I've no doubt that he would be locking up journalists and "dissidents".

Boggles wrote: »

CNN have repeatedly said it could swing either way.

They have been more conservative then Fox.

They really are. Pretty bizarre.

Its being reported on twitter that Fox Execs are fielding calls from the likes of Kelly Anne Conway throwing tantrums.

Ain't it cool.

Enquiring wrote: »

Hmmmmm McCain signing a song v Obama ordering the dropping of a huge amount of actual bombs, was it a record level under his watch?

Not sure which evidence to follow here, song v bombs.

No, Trump has even more bigly numbers:

https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/2019/5/8/18619206/under-donald-trump-drone-strikes-far-exceed-obama-s-numbers

According to a 2018 report in The Daily Beast, Obama launched 186 drone strikes in Yemen, Somalia and Pakistan during his first two years in office. In Trump’s first two years, he launched 238.

The Trump administration has carried out 176 strikes in Yemen in just two years, compared with 154 there during all eight years of Obama’s tenure, according to a count by The Associated Press and the Bureau of Investigative Journalism.

joe40 wrote: »

I really hope Biden wins, but this is not over. I know he is in a strong position, but if Trump overtakes him in Arizona, and Biden fails to overtake Pennsylvania then Trump is the next president.
Would Georgia be enough for Biden if he doesn't get either Arizona or Penn.

dont think arizona has a chance of going to trump.

biden's leading in the 1 huge population center being phoenix with 86% in.

You know things are bad when Simon Harris is trolling you on Twitter.

https://twitter.com/SimonHarrisTD/status/1324367095610703875

Larbre34 wrote: »

They really are. Pretty bizarre.

Its being reported on twitter that Fox Execs are fielding calls from the likes of Kelly Anne Conway throwing tantrums.

Ain't it cool.

I think they're just trying to keep people glued as long as possible - if people figure they know the result they'll switch off. I dunno what Fox News are doing anymore, their election coverage is lame compared to CNN and MSNBC.

But yes you would think that especially in light of all the legal or civil unrest possibilities CNN would be the ones saying it's over while Fox News would be saying it's very possible and saying recounts are a good idea.

Then again Trump's now swung back to 13/2 so even knows?! Biden at 1/5.

So, is the electoral college still bad thing?

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

What fascists are you thinking of, a fascist who not a single journalist is even remotely afraid of? Who has no more power than any other president in the past?

He's called journalists 'the enemy of the people' and bomb threats by his followers have been sent to CNN.

biden trump

253 214

alaska 3 3
nevada 6 6
arizona 11 11
PA 20 20
georgia 16 16
NC 15 15

270 268

trump will need to win 4, and flip nevada. the chances are extremely remote for trump

Overheal wrote: »

With 16 electoral votes, if Georgia goes to Biden, Trump can have Arizona all day. It won't matter. That would put Biden at 269 Electoral votes, the EC would be a tie and the House (led by Democrats) would decide the election in January.

I think the issue with the House deciding though is that there's some f*cky thing where it's not Dem votes vs GOP votes, but it goes by states which could weirdly give the GOP the majority of votes.

BonnieSituation wrote: »

People who come out with bigoted views, like those that reared their head during the marriage equality referendum or those that screamed "BABY MURDERERS" during the Eighth Repeal campaign deserve all the mocking, opprobrium and ostracism they received.

People who believe that life begins at conception are not bigots. They hold perfectly legitimate political beliefs and they absolutely do not deserve to be personally bullied or attacked for those beliefs any more than someone who believes that life begins at some point after conception, as I do.

It's absolute bullsh!t that one's political beliefs are now fundamentally intertwined with how one is treated as an individual. The politics of the 90s and moreso the politics of the 2000s which we grew up with had a fundamentally live-and-let-live basis to it apart from the extreme fringes, but political intolerance was made mainstream in the 2010s by the illiberal left. That's my point. The alt-right emerged as an equal and opposite reaction to that bullsh!t.

Look, we can debate the merits or demerits of it all we like, but one thing that's indisputable is that this bullying from the left loses elections. It's a much, much, much bigger factor in both the Trump and Brexit results of 2016 than many people are willing to admit. I know of so many people who voted the way they did simply because "this is a democracy and nobody gets to tell me which way to vote or attack my character as a person if I don't comply". The flood of "maybe there should be IQ tests or age limits for voting" after both results was nothing short of anti-democratic, abhorrent lashing out by the side which didn't win.

I've been an activist since my early teens and I have seen this since the beginning. Reasoned arguments and friendly conversations swing undecided voters. Hostile campaigning along the lines of "you're either with us or you're an evil monster who deserves to be treated like sh!t" pushes people away. Hell, I even remember this happening in one of the first political movements I was ever involved in, Save Our Seafront in Dun Laoghaire - there was a very bitter split midway through the campaign because a group of people involved in the campaign were reported to be verbally abusing members of the public who didn't agree with their position without asking questions when they were out campaigning. I personally know people who either didn't vote or voted against Repeal for no reason other than "I got sick of being told that I was a monster who should be bullied for being undecided or having nuances about the issue".

Whether you like it or not, human beings as a rule are stubborn and do not like being told what to do. It's as simple as that. You don't win an election by chiding and condescending to people for not "doing the right thing", you win an election by persuading people that voting for you is doing the right thing. Shouting "Nazi!" "Fascist!" "Bigot!" at every single person who doesn't automatically share your personal political beliefs or your interpretation of fundamental philosophical issues, such as when life begins, the definition of gender, the meaning of free speech, etc, is your prerogative - but to turn around and then say "why are all these people becoming so extreme and refusing to engage with mainstream politics?" is absolutely f*cking moronic. The answer is right there - people don't like being bullied or talked down to, and for far, far, far too long mainstream politics - thanks to the identity nutcases on the left - has regarded this as acceptable behaviour.

Again, I'm not here to make a moral argument on it, I'm making a pragmatic argument. Personally abuse the opposition all you like - personally I think anyone who does this is a f*cking asshole but that's only my opinion. Everyone can do what they like. But don't then go around whining that the right wing is gaining supporters, or scratching your head and saying "Why? Why won't these people who my side have spent the last ten years bullying and mocking consider voting for my candidate or voting for my referendum proposal?"

It's ridiculous. Anyone who knows the first thing about human nature knows precisely why the right wing has become so extreme in the 2010s. The vast majority of them did not start out this way, but their extremism is the inevitable equal and opposite reaction (yes, Newton's Third Law can be extremely easily applied to basic human instincts and behaviours) to the "our opinions are facts, and if you question them, you're a scumbag" bullsh!t which the identity-left began to peddle in the early 2010s.