Leo Varadkar story in The Village??? - Mod Notes and banned Users in OP updated 16/05

stockshares · 05-11-2020 01:35PM

stockshares wrote: »

Does anyone know why the NAGP weren't included?

Was it because Gov were aware of the way it was being run or was it pure bias towards IMO.

timmyntc wrote: »

Didn't have a license for negotiations - which led to members leaving & contributed to their debts which ultimately led them to liquidation.

O'Tuathails plan to get the contract & put it to members was presumably to boost membership in the union & stop things falling apart.

Thanks, why did they not have a license?

McMurphy · 05-11-2020 01:36PM

atticu wrote: »

I don’t believe they are actual screenshots of the mobile phones of the people they are making out to be.

So, simply put, I believe they are fake.

I am sure that you will post up a link to try and prove that I am wrong.

Oh ok, and I thought we were arguing on something else completely.

atticu wrote: »

If you believe that is a screenshot of anyone’s phone,

By the way, if you think you need "Photoshop" to fake a text...... Here's you and me having a full on WhatsApp exchange, no need for photo shop FFS.

I have some magic beans that you are probably interested in buying.

Given that you are of the belief a whistleblower would have faked screenshots of serious allegations they put in the public domain, I've no doubt you fully believe you have "magic" beans for sale. I ain't buying though.

Get up the yard.

ooter · 05-11-2020 01:37PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Just listened back there...is Doherty suggesting that there was a 2nd 'Draft' document released?

Is he saying he got another copy from the general secretary?

cameramonkey · 05-11-2020 01:39PM

blanch152 wrote: »

Yes, it appears you have been duped into thinking that the texts were between Leo and Matt. Looks deliberate on Village Magazine's part, but it all consists of Matt's version of his interactions with Harris and Varadkar, and is second-hand information.

Disgraceful mud-slinging by Village, but not surprising that they have found patsys to repeat it as if it came directly from Leo.

Leo should release all his txt messages and clear the matters at hand up.
I am sure in the interests of transparency you would support such a move.

James Brown · 05-11-2020 01:43PM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Because the details were already in the public domain, it wasn't a secret. But his, sharing of the contract, the written copy of it, shouldn't have been sent to a friend or rival organisation before even the IMO received their official copy.

No they were not.
Harris refused.
You are suggesting info was available but neither organisation had it. You are contradicting yourself. Why did he need ask Harris and then LV to see it?
LV himself accepts it was confidential and wrong to pass it to his pal.
FF/FG/Greens playing it down doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Bannasidhe · 05-11-2020 01:45PM

cameramonkey wrote: »

Leo should release all his txt messages and clear the matters at hand up.
I am sure in the interests of transparency you would support such a move.

Absolutely.

Full disclosure to the proper authorities, quick investigation (shouldn't take long as apparently there's nothing to see here), Leo vindicated.
Story over/.

Right now it's growing legs and snapping around the Dáil like a rabid rat.
Not good for govt.

Fann Linn · 05-11-2020 01:48PM

Leo apparently deleted all these WhatsApp messages now according to Dail questions. Questions over FOI implications.

timmyntc · 05-11-2020 01:49PM

Fann Linn wrote: »

Leo apparently deleted all these WhatsApp messages now according to Dail questions. Questions over FOI implications.

Nothing says innocent man like deleting all your WhatsApp messages

Fann Linn · 05-11-2020 01:50PM

Fann Linn wrote: »

Leo apparently deleted all these WhatsApp messages now according to Dail questions. Questions over FOI implications.

Taken from Gavin Reilly's account of 'Leaker's Questions!

His pun!!!

05-11-2020 01:53PM

Fann Linn wrote: »

Leo apparently deleted all these WhatsApp messages now according to Dail questions. Questions over FOI implications.

If it was his work phone, he has put himself in some serious do-do

Bubbaclaus · 05-11-2020 01:53PM

McMurphy wrote: »

Oh ok, and I thought we were arguing on something else completely.

By the way, if you think you need "Photoshop" to fake a text...... Here's you and me having a full on WhatsApp exchange, no need for photo shop FFS.

Get up the yard.

Is that Leo asking about screenshots?

Nobotty · 05-11-2020 01:54PM

Fann Linn wrote: »

Leo apparently deleted all these WhatsApp messages now according to Dail questions. Questions over FOI implications.

Yeah he said that on Tuesday night but are whatsapps covered under FoI ? I doubt it

zerosugarbuzz · 05-11-2020 01:55PM

timmyntc wrote: »

Nothing says innocent man like deleting all your WhatsApp messages

True, I’ve never deleted a WhatsApp message or a text for that matter. Why would you?

05-11-2020 01:55PM

Nobotty wrote: »

Yeah he said that on Tuesday night but are whatsapps covered under FoI ? I doubt it

They are on his work phone

Fann Linn · 05-11-2020 01:56PM

Nobotty wrote: »

Yeah he said that on Tuesday night but are whatsapps covered under FoI ? I doubt it

Doherty apparently saying there is precedent.

Not gone away.

McMurphy · 05-11-2020 01:58PM

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Is that Leo asking about screenshots?

Na it's just a serial goalpost mover firstly suggesting they're not screenshots of anyone's actual phones, quickly moving on to suggest that it actually is someone's phone, but photo shop was used to fake the sender/recipient are.

Same shyte different day from them.

blanch152 · 05-11-2020 01:59PM

cameramonkey wrote: »

Leo should release all his txt messages and clear the matters at hand up.
I am sure in the interests of transparency you would support such a move.

For what reason should they be released?

He is entitled to privacy like everyone else.

seamus · 05-11-2020 02:00PM

zerosugarbuzz wrote: »

True, I’ve never deleted a WhatsApp message or a text for that matter. Why would you?

If I was a high-ranking politician, I would probably make a point of deleting them quite often if I'm to be honest.

No matter how decent you are, at some point someone will have the knives out for you, and being unable to produce evidence that could incriminate you would be a smart move.

It's unlikely this was a work phone, would you send any text messages on your work phone if you were Taoiseach?

It's amusing to see people using the "An innocent man has nothing to hide" argument here when it suits them.

atticu · 05-11-2020 02:00PM

McMurphy wrote: »

Oh ok, and I thought we were arguing on something else completely.

By the way, if you think you need "Photoshop" to fake a text...... Here's you and me having a full on WhatsApp exchange, no need for photo shop FFS.

Get up the yard.

I believe that they are fake, and you believe they are real.

You are trying to twist and turn, but I have stuck by what I said. They are fake. They are not a screenshot of someone’s phone.
I believe they are photoshopped.

You have been so kind to prove my point.

Grade E - Must try harder.

Yurt2 · 05-11-2020 02:00PM

Leo and acolytes firmly in Nixon territory on this.

thomas 123 · 05-11-2020 02:02PM

blanch152 wrote: »

For what reason should they be released?

He is entitled to privacy like everyone else.

Wait wait wait , so he’s entitled to privacy, but also entitled to carry out work for the state, or in the states best interest via what’s app, which is it?

FrancieBrady · 05-11-2020 02:03PM

Fann Linn wrote: »

Doherty apparently saying there is precedent.

Not gone away.

So, if true, we add destruction of official state records.

smurgen · 05-11-2020 02:08PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So, if true, we add destruction of official state records.

Obstruction of justice?

James Brown · 05-11-2020 02:08PM

blanch152 wrote: »

For what reason should they be released?

He is entitled to privacy like everyone else.

He is under suspicion of wrong doing based on his crony wrong doing.
He put himself in this position. There is just cause to in the least support seeking his correspondence especially if it can be accessed on a state owned device.

Fann Linn · 05-11-2020 02:11PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So, if true, we add destruction of official state records.

Add whatever they like. At this stage I was hoping that the Village would have released a hum-dinger that would have holed him below the waterline but unfortunately that doesn't appear to be materialising.

FrancieBrady · 05-11-2020 02:13PM

Fann Linn wrote: »

Add whatever they like. At this stage I was hoping that the Village would have released a hum-dinger that would have holed him below the waterline but unfortunately that doesn't appear to be materialising.

He is hanging himself quite well I would have thought.

Seriously seriously damaged now.

Sir Oxman · 05-11-2020 02:13PM

atticu wrote: »

I don’t believe they are actual screenshots of the mobile phones of the people they are making out to be.

So, simply put, I believe they are fake.

I am sure that you will post up a link to try and prove that I am wrong.

I don't believe a whistleblower or publication would put themselves in such a position versus the whistleblower has the messages intact on his phone as he was one of the correspondents.

Of course, they could be faked but that leaves said whistleblower and publication open to financial ruin - at this stage, which is more likely?

James Brown · 05-11-2020 02:14PM

seamus wrote: »

If I was a high-ranking politician, I would probably make a point of deleting them quite often if I'm to be honest.

No matter how decent you are, at some point someone will have the knives out for you, and being unable to produce evidence that could incriminate you would be a smart move.

It's unlikely this was a work phone, would you send any text messages on your work phone if you were Taoiseach?

It's amusing to see people using the "An innocent man has nothing to hide" argument here when it suits them.

We're talking Leo here.

It's the situation he admits he put himself in gives cause. He broke protocol and opened himself up to suspicion. And he's a public servant likely using state owned equipment.

grayzer75 · 05-11-2020 02:16PM

Sir Oxman wrote: »

I don't believe a whistleblower or publication would put themselves in such a position versus the whistleblower has the messages intact on his phone as he was one of the correspondents.

Of course, they could be faked but that leaves said whistleblower and publication open to financial ruin - at this stage, which is more likely?

Deleted messages can be retrieved and verified to prove they're not fake - that should help clear Leo's good name........

Fann Linn · 05-11-2020 02:16PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

He is hanging himself quite well I would have thought.

Seriously seriously damaged now.

Yes. I accept that. I was hoping for something more permanent however.

Leo Varadkar story in The Village??? - Mod Notes and banned Users in OP updated 16/05

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