US Presidential Election 2020 Thread II - Judgement Day(s)

Exclamation Marc · 04-11-2020 06:59PM

~Rebel~ wrote: »

Where are you seeing that? AP still has him up by over 40,000 votes on the google results..

Could you send a link to this? I was following this tracker last night and can't find it in my history. Thanks!

bennyl10 · 04-11-2020 06:59PM

spacecoyote wrote: »

Just checked that AP site and they have Trump ahead now in Michigan. Have been switched off for a while with work. What's going on there, thought they reckoned it was done there?

AP still has Biden ahead by 50kish?

dogbert27 · 04-11-2020 06:59PM

~Rebel~ wrote: »

Where are you seeing that? AP still has him up by over 40,000 votes on the google results..

I'm seeing the same as you. Biden over 45,000 ahead

spacecoyote · 04-11-2020 07:00PM

~Rebel~ wrote: »

Where are you seeing that? AP still has him up by over 40,000 votes on the google results..

Sorry just refreshed it there and it updated to about a 45k lead

shocksy · 04-11-2020 07:00PM

~Rebel~ wrote: »

Where are you seeing that? AP still has him up by over 40,000 votes on the google results..

Yeah I'm seeing what you're seeing too. I think that poster has it wrong.

vafankillar · 04-11-2020 07:01PM

salmocab wrote: »

So you’re arguing that anyone else in charge would have had 150k-180k deaths but Trump has 230k. I’m not sure this is the great point you think it was.

it's not meant to be a great point, the supposed great point and almost main strategy was biden's blaming of the corona virus deaths purely on trump as if barely any deaths would have happened otherwise. The votes have shown simply "saying i'm not trump" was a **** tactic. He may get over the line, but their fairytale of a landslide was just that

dinorebel · 04-11-2020 07:01PM

nc6000 wrote: »

What was Jill Stein hoping to gain from a recount?

Chaos she's a professional troll.

Mr.Nice Guy · 04-11-2020 07:01PM

CNN projects Wisconsin for Biden.

Shelga · 04-11-2020 07:02PM

vafankillar wrote: »

it's not meant to be a great point, the supposed great point and almost main strategy was biden's blaming of the corona virus deaths purely on trump as if barely any would have happened otherwise. The votes have shown simply "saying i'm not trump" was a **** tactic. He may get over the line, but their fairytale of a landslide was just that

Ok, why does that bring you such joy?

shocksy · 04-11-2020 07:02PM

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

CNN projects Wisconsin for Biden.

They're a bit late to the party. He lost that ages ago by about 20k.

Headshot · 04-11-2020 07:02PM

From the Guardian

Trump campaign files lawsuit to 'halt counting' in Michigan
Donald Trump’s reelection campaign said it had filed a lawsuit to halt the counting of ballots in the swing state of Michigan.

“President Trump’s campaign has not been provided with meaningful access to numerous counting locations to observe the opening of ballots and the counting process, as guaranteed by Michigan law. We have filed suit today in the Michigan Court of Claims to halt counting until meaningful access has been granted,” campaign manager Bill Stepien said in a statement.

“We also demand to review those ballots which were opened and counted while we did not have meaningful access. President Trump is committed to ensuring that all legal votes are counted in Michigan and everywhere else.”

Joe Biden has narrowly pulled ahead in Michigan, giving him the advantage in the key swing state, but many ballots still need to be counted.

StringerBell · 04-11-2020 07:03PM

Collins re-election has been called. Sigh.

~Rebel~ · 04-11-2020 07:05PM

Exclamation Marc wrote: »

Could you send a link to this? I was following this tracker last night and can't find it in my history. Thanks!

It pops up if you just google “ us presidential election 2020”

Christy42 · 04-11-2020 07:05PM

shocksy wrote: »

They're a bit late to the party. He lost that ages ago by about 20k.

Weirdly no one was calling it. Given how early Arizona was called you would think a 29k lead with 600 votes left would be considered relatively safe but they waited for whatever reason.

04-11-2020 07:05PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Well the gesture was my point. It was a genuinely nice moment and seemed genuine whether the action was meaningless.,I know he did but I think that might have been a seasoned veteran senator pulling a kruskev on Kennedy in the 1960s. McConnell will know he can’t ****ehawk Biden like he did Obama should he become president.

What makes you say that? Biden has been going on about healing and inclusion more than anyone and there's been suggestions he'll have a Republican in his cabinet. Biden isn't about confrontation unfortunately and there's 2 years of nothing getting done coming up whoever wins.

vafankillar · 04-11-2020 07:06PM

Shelga wrote: »

Ok, why does that bring you such joy?

because I dislike politicians who draft laws putting hundreds of thousands of people in prison for low level crime and bomb countries in the middle east, along with people who support and enable them.

Exclamation Marc · 04-11-2020 07:06PM

~Rebel~ wrote: »

It pops up if you just google “ us presidential election 2020”

Thank you kindly!

StringerBell · 04-11-2020 07:06PM

Headshot wrote: »

From the Guardian

Trump campaign files lawsuit to 'halt counting' in Michigan
Donald Trump’s reelection campaign said it had filed a lawsuit to halt the counting of ballots in the swing state of Michigan.

“President Trump’s campaign has not been provided with meaningful access to numerous counting locations to observe the opening of ballots and the counting process, as guaranteed by Michigan law. We have filed suit today in the Michigan Court of Claims to halt counting until meaningful access has been granted,” campaign manager Bill Stepien said in a statement.

“We also demand to review those ballots which were opened and counted while we did not have meaningful access. President Trump is committed to ensuring that all legal votes are counted in Michigan and everywhere else.”

Joe Biden has narrowly pulled ahead in Michigan, giving him the advantage in the key swing state, but many ballots still need to be counted.

Tooth and nail sure, the rest of his life depends on it. He will pull every stroke available now to try steal it, wouldn't be surprised at all to see a lot come out in the months that follow this election about how he and probably De Santis ****ed with the postal vote in Florida given what we have already seen and it surely won't be just Florida.

briany · 04-11-2020 07:08PM

vafankillar wrote: »

it's not meant to be a great point, the supposed great point and almost main strategy was biden's blaming of the corona virus deaths purely on trump as if barely any would have happened otherwise. The votes have shown simply "saying i'm not trump" was a **** tactic. He may get over the line, but their fairytale of a landslide was just that

The idea that Trump has so far increased his voter total from 2016 by some 3 million votes should certainly give his opponents pause for thought and confirm that Trumpism is no blip.

However, if Biden does indeed win this thing by a mere handful of electoral votes, he would be every bit as much a legitimate president as if he'd won by a hundred votes of more. I think it's safe to assume that if Trump only won it narrowly, the only recognition he'd give of that would be to say it was because of electoral fraud and he'd really won by more.

salmocab · 04-11-2020 07:09PM

vafankillar wrote: »

because I dislike politicians who draft laws putting hundreds of thousands of people in prison for low level crime and bomb countries in the middle east, along with people who support and enable them.

But are apparently happy with one that you yourself has said caused the deaths of 50 - 60k of his own citizens through mishandling something.

Quin_Dub · 04-11-2020 07:09PM

Graham wrote: »

Most recent:

Biden closing the gap

Trump 2,387,671
Biden 2,300,063

87,608

State Secretary of Georgia announced around 200,000 outstanding mostly from the larger population centres

Moved on a little further

Trump 2,388,026 (+355)
Biden 2,306,532 (+6469)

Huge ratio there toward Biden.

95% complete , so about 250k left to count if I'm working this out right.

A roughly 2/3rds Ratio for Biden would win it and he's been doing better than that in the last few updates.

dinorebel · 04-11-2020 07:10PM

shocksy wrote: »

They're a bit late to the party. He lost that ages ago by about 20k.

Blatant lie he's 21000 ahead.

Akabusi · 04-11-2020 07:10PM

Is there anything to stop Trump running again in 2024 provided he does not win this?
He would still have his base and provided he isn't in jail would have 4 years to shout from the sidelines.

Headshot · 04-11-2020 07:11PM

StringerBell wrote: »

Tooth and nail sure, the rest of his life depends on it. He will pull every stroke available now to try steal it, wouldn't be surprised at all to see a lot come out in the months that follow this election about how he and probably De Santis ****ed with the postal vote in Florida given what we have already seen and it surely won't be just Florida.

Yup

Trump is backed into a corner, this is the difference between him going to jail or his debt collectors knocking on his door

He's going to try everything and see what sticks to the wall

vafankillar · 04-11-2020 07:11PM

salmocab wrote: »

But are apparently happy with one that you yourself has said caused the deaths of 50 - 60k of his own citizens through mishandling something.

I do not support either candidate buddy

embraer170 · 04-11-2020 07:13PM

We will be waiting for Arizona until tomorrow morning Irish time.

The Arizona Republic surveyed county recorders and estimates that 600,000 ballots remain to be counted in Arizona. A full 450,000 of those ballots are in Maricopa County (Phoenix) and break down as follows: 248,000 early ballots (which in Arizona includes both mail-in and in-person votes) that arrived on Monday or Tuesday, 160,000-180,000 mail-in ballots dropped off on Election Day and 29,000 provisional ballots. Maricopa expects to release two batches of results tonight: one at 9 p.m. Eastern and one sometime after 12:30 a.m. Eastern.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/2020-election-results-coverage/

shocksy · 04-11-2020 07:14PM

dinorebel wrote: »

Blatant lie he's 21000 ahead.

He's not ahead. It's already been called for Biden. Go check your facts. You're the blatant liar.

Shelga · 04-11-2020 07:14PM

Akabusi wrote: »

Is there anything to stop Trump running again in 2024 provided he does not win this?
He would still have his base and provided he isn't in jail would have 4 years to shout from the sidelines.

I guess that depends on whether the Republican party wants to change from the course they are on at the moment or not. I'd tend to think not, so maybe he could run again in 2024, yeah.

Christy42 · 04-11-2020 07:15PM

shocksy wrote: »

He's not ahead. It's already been called for Biden. Go check your facts. You're the blatant liar.

Someone in this conversation made a typo I think. Both of you are saying the same thing I think that Biden won WI.

Mr.Nice Guy · 04-11-2020 07:15PM

ABC has removed Arizona from Biden and consider it undecided. Here's Nate Silver on the state:

Here's what's left to count in AZ. At first glance this would seem quite bad for Trump since it's largely mail ballots *but* mail ballots that arrived late in the process are considerably more R by party registration than the ones that arrived earlier.

Trump needs to win the remaining AZ votes by something like 20-25% depending on how many ballots there are. By party registration, late-arriving mail votes were something like +19% R, per my (quick) calculations.

With that said, there are some reasons to think the late-arriving ballots would be less R than you'd gather from party ID. For one thing, the early arriving mail ballots went more heavily for Biden than party ID would suggest, perhaps reflecting his edge amount independents.

US Presidential Election 2020 Thread II - Judgement Day(s)

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