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Trump vs Biden 2020, And the winner is.......... (pt 4) Read OP

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  • #3152
    DrumSteve
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,798 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    jill_valentine wrote: »
    The thing is, I'm gay with a load of friends in America. So I can't really enjoy all this the way I do Eurovision or something because whats on the ballot is whether somebody gets free rein to make the lives of people like me worse. Like, just tangibly, physically worse every day.

    And I'm 35, I can tell you from experience that whether we like it or not Irish politics and society takes a lot of cues from the US, so everyday life in Ireland is tangibly crummier for a lot of people like me when somebody like Trump is centre stage in the US. It's not an abstract thing, it has a tangible effect on how people here behave towards people in minority groups.

    I totally appreciate the fantasy football aspect to it, but watching an American election feels like the shotgun roulette thing from Saw for a lot of people. It sets the tone for the next four years of ~discourse all over the English speaking world, and real people do have to bear the brunt of it when it goes sour in very real ways.

    Yeah I understand; it's just the film independence day is an analogy for this election.


  • #3153
    RWCNT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,430 ✭✭✭RWCNT


    GDK_11 wrote: »
    I would consider myself a centrist but it feels like there is no place for that anymore, you have to pick a side and go as far left/right as you can.


    Not even slightly indicative of reality. Are the vast majority of people fascists or communists now? Of course not. The vast majority of people's political views range from centre left to centre right.


  • #3154
    ElChe32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,690 ✭✭✭ElChe32


    Chris_Heilong wrote: »
    A lot of strange spikes happened in the counting around 4:30am in Bidens favor. If you look at the graphs it is almost a straight line up, especially the Wisconsin graph which had a big spike and looks like from that point the were no more trump votes which is fishy as hell.

    531742.png

    Grasping at more straws than a **** scarecrow.


  • #3155
    eviltimeban
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭eviltimeban


    thecretinhop wrote: »
    recounts announced Georgia wtf is going on in arizona

    An error made it look like 98% of votes counted but it was actually only 86%.


  • #3156
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    I think we can all agree on one thing, turning up at a Polling station on the day and marking a piece of paper with pen or pencil will always be the best way to do things.


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  • #3157
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,063 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    pearcider wrote: »
    The democrats blatantly stole the election. In Michigan they stopped counting in the middle of the night and then boom Biden got 138 thousand votes with nobody else getting any. Of course rigging elections is what communists specialise at.

    Let’s not forget Josh Shapiro the AG of PA said Trump would not be allowed to win the state.

    I'm really warming to that salty tears meme. At first I thought it was childish, but I'm slowly coming around.


  • #3158
    funnydoggy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    Pensylvannia would be nice for Biden


  • #3159
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,449 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Trump spent months telling his own voters not to use mail-in and to only show up in person etc. and in fairness he got a big turnout.

    But to then feign shock that the overwhelming majority of mail-in votes cast were for your opponent who actively encouraged his voters to vote by mail is absolutely comical. I see the MAGA devotees online and on here are lapping it up though.


  • #3160
    ScrubsfanChris
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,599 ✭✭✭ScrubsfanChris


    Genuine question, why are states like Nevada with comparatively smaller populations taking so much longer get the count it?


  • #3161
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,421 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    I think we can all agree on one thing, turning up at a Polling station on the day and marking a piece of paper with pen or pencil will always be the best way to do things.

    That you Donald?


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  • #3162
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,951 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    What the story with Arizona ? Can anyone fill us in


  • #3163
    seenitall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,733 ✭✭✭seenitall


    jill_valentine wrote: »
    The thing is, I'm gay with a load of friends in America. So I can't really enjoy all this the way I do Eurovision or something because whats on the ballot is whether somebody gets free rein to make the lives of people like me worse. Like, just tangibly, physically worse every day.

    And I'm 35, I can tell you from experience that whether we like it or not Irish politics and society takes a lot of cues from the US, so everyday life in Ireland is tangibly crummier for a lot of people like me when somebody like Trump is centre stage in the US. It's not an abstract thing, it has a tangible effect on how people here behave towards people in minority groups.

    I totally appreciate the fantasy football aspect to it, but watching an American election feels like the shotgun roulette thing from Saw for a lot of people. It sets the tone for the next four years of ~discourse all over the English speaking world, and real people do have to bear the brunt of it when it goes sour in very real ways.

    Wow. If this is true, then the English-speaking world has my deepest sympathies. No matter who wins, the US isn’t going anywhere good for the foreseeable, especially in social terms. It is becoming an example of how not to do things if you want a happy, united and successful nation. (And even the word ‘becoming’ there is debatable.)


  • #3164
    super_furry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,355 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    Any sign of Mexico paying for that wall yet lads?


  • #3165
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    ScrubsfanChris wrote: »
    Genuine question, why are states like Nevada with comparatively smaller populations taking so much longer get the count it?

    they're very disperse, boxes could be in transit from hundreds of miles, less counting staff, not electronic votes etc... a lot of reasons.


  • #3166
    pearcider
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭pearcider


    threeball wrote: »
    Do you want some cheese with that whine.

    You won’t be saying that when Bidens warmongering starts world war 3.


  • #3167
    Penn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,689 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    ScrubsfanChris wrote: »
    Genuine question, why are states like Nevada with comparatively smaller populations taking so much longer get the count it?

    Different states have different rules, even down to when counting can actually start. Nevada in particular allow mail-in ballots which are only sent on Election day which means they might not receive them to count them for a few days later.


  • #3168
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,449 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    I think we can all agree on one thing, turning up at a Polling station on the day and marking a piece of paper with pen or pencil will always be the best way to do things.

    We get conspiracy theorists on the Irish election threads on here too claiming ballot box stuffing / extra ballot boxes being brought to count centres etc.


  • #3169
    Sierra Oscar
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,678 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    What the story with Arizona ? Can anyone fill us in

    The reported count was 98% but its actually 86%.

    Everyone assumed Trump couldn't close the gap given the reported count. However, this is what is transpiring on the ground.

    https://twitter.com/thechrisbuskirk/status/1323999972610564096

    Now it would still be big ask for Trump to close the gap, but it is possible.


  • #3170
    B.A._Baracus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,240 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    froog wrote: »
    the trump supporters are a absolute disgrace. take the loss with some dignity. stop buying the bull**** trump is feeding. he is a pathological liar.

    Trump is right. Why admit defeat. I know you could say that's wrong but I have met many a person in this world who refused to admit they were wrong.


  • #3171
    jill_valentine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭jill_valentine


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Trump spent months telling his own voters not to use mail-in and to only show up in person etc. and in fairness he got a big turnout.

    But to then feign shock that the overwhelming majority of mail-in votes cast were for your opponent who actively encouraged his voters to vote by mail is absolutely comical. I see the MAGA devotees online and on here are lapping it up though.

    I think it backfired twofold because they've spent so long making in-person voting harder that would-be in-person Rs had discouragement would-be mail-in Ds didn't.


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  • #3172
    extra gravy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,259 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy


    pearcider wrote: »
    You won’t be saying that when Bidens warmongering starts world war 3.

    Think he'll be too busy cleaning up Donald's mess to go to war with anyone.


  • #3173
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,063 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    super_furry wrote: »
    Any sign of Mexico paying for that wall yet lads?

    Shhhh... They used the money to dig great big tunnels they used to smuggle in millions of illegal voters.


  • #3174
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,116 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    States where Trump won easily voting for $15 min-wage and legalising weed. A weird combination of voting for that Turnip and ostensibly liberal policies.

    Mississippi approve a new state flag (70%) that retires former Confederate battle symbol and vote strongly for Trump too. :confused:


  • #3175
    crossman47
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,600 ✭✭✭crossman47


    RWCNT wrote: »
    Not even slightly indicative of reality. Are the vast majority of people fascists or communists now? Of course not. The vast majority of people's political views range from centre left to centre right.

    And in US from somewhat right to extreme right (except for Bernie Sanders fans)


  • #3176
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    We get conspiracy therapists on the Irish election threads on here too claiming ballot box stuffing / extra ballot boxes being brought to count centres etc.

    Ah we get nowhere near what they get in the US and some of the stuff you hear about in the UK with +100% turnout. Our conspiracy theories stop at use a Pen, not a pencil :pac:


  • #3177
    ShooterSF
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,824 ✭✭✭ShooterSF


    froog wrote: »
    the trump supporters are a absolute disgrace. take the loss with some dignity. stop buying the bull**** trump is feeding. he is a pathological liar.

    The problem is if you start with the premises that Trump is a pathological liar and that the people who voted for him believe him, then you have to assume they are brainwashed, or whatever term you want to use, by him. Now before anyone jumps down my throat all I'm saying is IF you believe the first two THEN you should believe the third.
    I feel like that's where you (and myself and many others) are, but you then can't logically expect these people to take the loss when he is crying foul.


  • #3178
    CtevenSrowder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,909 ✭✭✭CtevenSrowder


    jill_valentine wrote: »
    The thing is, I'm gay with a load of friends in America. So I can't really enjoy all this the way I do Eurovision or something because whats on the ballot is whether somebody gets free rein to make the lives of people like me worse. Like, just tangibly, physically worse every day.

    And I'm 35, I can tell you from experience that whether we like it or not Irish politics and society takes a lot of cues from the US, so everyday life in Ireland is tangibly crummier for a lot of people like me when somebody like Trump is centre stage in the US. It's not an abstract thing, it has a tangible effect on how people here behave towards people in minority groups.

    I totally appreciate the fantasy football aspect to it, but watching an American election feels like the shotgun roulette thing from Saw for a lot of people. It sets the tone for the next four years of ~discourse all over the English speaking world, and real people do have to bear the brunt of it when it goes sour in very real ways.
    Can you give an example of these tangible effects please?


  • #3179
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    super_furry wrote: »
    Any sign of Mexico paying for that wall yet lads?

    That is so 2016. Lads

    It's a new era. A Biden presidency. I would have preferred a Trump win but it's not to be.


  • #3180
    Chris_Heilong
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,974 ✭✭✭Chris_Heilong


    Regardless of fraud I dont think it will be proved so I would say Biden has it, At the very least we can say the polls were wrong once again claiming a Biden destroy Trump.


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  • #3181
    jill_valentine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭jill_valentine


    seenitall wrote: »
    Wow. If this is true, then the English-speaking world has my deepest sympathies. No matter who wins, the US isn’t going anywhere good for the foreseeable, especially in social terms. It is becoming an example of how not to do things if you want a happy, united and successful nation. (And even the word ‘becoming’ there is debatable.)

    You're right to a certain extent, but communities who have been traditional whipping boys come to appreciate the idea of harm reduction. If America's President was yer man from West Wing we'd all be better off, but in the meantime I'll gladly have the guy who isn't the patron saint of psychopaths.


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