Leo Varadkar story in The Village??? - Mod Notes and banned Users in OP updated 16/05

McMurphy · 03-11-2020 10:57PM

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

Jaysus, if your explaining your losing. And watching the news he's losing big tonight.

Niall Collins out now on prime time to defend the indefensible. Good luck with that Niall.

Niall using the same "good deal for GPs" line as Colm Brophy there.

JohnnyFlash · 03-11-2020 10:59PM

Peter Flynt wrote: »

Simple fact is that it's an open secret that Varadkar has been leaking sensitive information to others including journalists. You'd want to be quite naive to think this is the first time he has leaked such information.

Therefore there are journalists at home tonight watching on the telly knowing quite well that they can sink Varadkar tomorrow with information he has supplied them with.

But such is the rotten state of Irish journalism that they'll quietly keep their mouths shut.

All politicians talk to hacks. All of them. Don't be so naive.

Floppybits · 03-11-2020 11:00PM

Peter Flynt wrote: »

Simple fact is that it's an open secret that Varadkar has been leaking sensitive information to others including journalists. You'd want to be quite naive to think this is the first time he has leaked such information.

Therefore there are journalists at home tonight watching on the telly knowing quite well that they can sink Varadkar tomorrow with information he has supplied them with.

But such is the rotten state of Irish journalism that they'll quietly keep their mouths shut.

This is the problem and it is what FG supporters are using as a defense. Ah sure everyone does it, what's the problem? Also LV was asked did he leak any other documents and replied categorically No so now he has just painted a target on him because if it comes out he has leaked other documents then he is a goner.

Peter Flynt · 03-11-2020 11:01PM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

All politicians talk to hacks. All of them. Don't be so naive.

Not all politicians are bent like Varadkar.

thomas 123 · 03-11-2020 11:01PM

McMurphy wrote: »

Niall using the same "good deal for GPs" line as Colm Brophy there.

In between excusing Varadkars actions because “ SF wants to deflect from their own troubles in the north”

FrancieBrady · 03-11-2020 11:01PM

Jim Root wrote: »

Not a hope. MOT is toxic now and won’t be touched by anyone. His what’s app messages alone would attest to that. Comes across as awful. He’s done.

So is Leo, 'toxic'. If he makes it through this he'll have no choice but to be a wallflower. He'll fade away until his polling forces FG to get rid, if he doesn't pull the plug himself first.

Jinglejangle69 · 03-11-2020 11:02PM

Peter Flynt wrote: »

Not all politicians are bent like Varadkar.

Oh.

And again.

But we can't mention it.

Floppybits · 03-11-2020 11:02PM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

All politicians talk to hacks. All of them. Don't be so naive.

Are they handing the journalists confidential documents or are just giving them the gist of something coming down the line? There is a difference.

God help us though if we are ever in a situation where details need to be kept secret or confidential, we would be up wazzu without a paddle with this lot.

walshb · 03-11-2020 11:03PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So is Leo, 'toxic'. If he makes it through this he'll have no choice but to be a wallflower. He'll fade away until his polling forces FG to get rid, if he doesn't pull the plug himself first.

Yes, I think this has damaged him irreversibly..

Even if he survives, it will see him lose!

Jim Root · 03-11-2020 11:03PM

Peter Flynt wrote: »

Simple fact is that it's an open secret that Varadkar has been leaking sensitive information to others including journalists. You'd want to be quite naive to think this is the first time he has leaked such information.

Therefore there are journalists at home tonight watching on the telly knowing quite well that they can sink Varadkar tomorrow with information he has supplied them with.

But such is the rotten state of Irish journalism that they'll quietly keep their mouths shut.

You might want to brush up your knowledge on how journalism actually works.

Floppybits · 03-11-2020 11:03PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So is Leo, 'toxic'. If he makes it through this he'll have no choice but to be a wallflower. He'll fade away until his polling forces FG to get rid, if he doesn't pull the plug himself first.

Summer recess 2021 is when he will quietly slip away and Coveney will take over.

J.O. Farmer · 03-11-2020 11:04PM

Peter Flynt wrote: »

Not all politicians are bent like Varadkar.

Careful now that might be considered homophobic.

Jinglejangle69 · 03-11-2020 11:05PM

J.O. Farmer wrote: »

Careful now that might be considered homophobic.

Not homophobic.

But is it necessary or relevant to the topic?

JohnnyFlash · 03-11-2020 11:05PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So is Leo, 'toxic'. If he makes it through this he'll have no choice but to be a wallflower. He'll fade away until his polling forces FG to get rid, if he doesn't pull the plug himself first.

Francie, I never doubt your commitment to the online discussion of politics, but the idea that the long knives are out for Leo in FG is utterly laughable.

03-11-2020 11:05PM

thomas 123 wrote: »

I can just see it now.

Leo: Hey
MOT: who’s this
Leo: your not friend Leo
MOT: Hi Leo
Leo: remember the time I shared that secret doc with you, do you remember the date I did that?
MOT: ... I don’t, why?
Leo: no reason

Have to laugh....shared it with nagp,but couldnt find office across the road,instead sent it to your mans gaff.....imagine being so naive as to believe that unquestioned :pac:

Sir Oxman · 03-11-2020 11:06PM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Francie, I never doubt your commitment to the online discussion of politics, but the idea that the long knives are out for Leo in FG is utterly laughable.

They are always out tbf.

J.O. Farmer · 03-11-2020 11:08PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Not homophobic.

But is it necessary or relevant to the topic?

Bad joke twisting words

FrancieBrady · 03-11-2020 11:09PM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Francie, I never doubt your commitment to the online discussion of politics, but the idea that the long knives are out for Leo in FG is utterly laughable.

That wasn't what I said Johnny.

Jinglejangle69 · 03-11-2020 11:09PM

J.O. Farmer wrote: »

Bad joke twisting words

Hate the personal insults in all of this.

Always will no matter where in life.

Throwing in gay jokes.

No need for it.

stockshares · 03-11-2020 11:10PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

I'll pass, all I need to know about her has happened in the last few months:)

I think it was her sacking from the Independent that sent her on a downward spiral.

I think it was to do with an article she wrote about Denis O Brien.

After that she started attacking everybody she perceived to be establishment and then progressed to populism and full on racism.

s1ippy · 03-11-2020 11:11PM

Sir Oxman wrote: »

Yep.
Then he replied to Toibin later with 'not of this nature' which drew the gasps.
Any fool can see he's hedging his bets, he even did it in real time
ie he doesn't know what else will come out and he most definitely has leaked as Minister and Taoiseach and Tanaiste.

I thought Doherty, Toibin, Pringle, Paul Murphy and Connolly did a good job.
Connolly should stick to being a pretty good TD - she ain't cut out for LCC deputy chair to be honest.
O'Riordain sounded, looked and acted like a fool.
Catherine Murphy is a good TD but an absolutely brutal speaker though she did get him on his bleating about he always keeps up to date with GPs/health matters as he 'had unfinished business to do' as he's from that background but yet didn't have a clue (untrue) about the garda economic investigations and turmoil within NAGP.
You can bet his last pair of Trudeau tw*t's socks he knew all there was to know about NAGP.

Too many times however, the questioners let LV get away with actually talking up his (his govts) May 2019 achievement rather than simply cutting him off when he started down that route for the umpteenth time which of course was to run down the clock.

I read a lot of let's say, 'pro-LV' posts here saying sure everyone leaks, what would the papers/tv/radio do for exclusives etc.
Well, some govt politicians at some time do leak for sure - but when they get exposed it is usually bye-bye time.

A Taoiseach is the ultimate no-no to get caught.
An ex-Taoiseach caught leaking while publicly on the record deriding the practice and saying he won't stand for it is a complete lame duck and more harsh words too.

Varadkar won't get sacked because that would endanger the coalition but within a very short period I can see him 'voluntarily' resigning.

If there's nothing substantive or new to come out and the Garda investigation goes alright, he will cling on to the bitter end; look at the kind of self-aggrandising carry on he's at. He tried to spin that he's leaking confidential information, to a leader of the union which wants to take down the union engaged in talks, for the sake of some noble conquest to bring GP care to under sixes.

He did it without the knowledge or approval (seemingly over the head) of the then-health minister, without using the proper channels, and the recipient of the information clearly expresses to his inner circle that they were getting a gift of this document improperly, which they agree with and indicate that this leak should be protected.

For Leo to survive now, the remainder of the information needs to be extremely banal and not further evidence his corruption and cronyism. Another solid leak in the public view and that's the end of his torrid political career.

FrancieBrady · 03-11-2020 11:11PM

stockshares wrote: »

I think it was her sacking from the Independent that sent her in a downward spiral.

I think it was an article she wrote about Denis O Brien.

Was it not her spat with Callinan?

thomas 123 · 03-11-2020 11:12PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Hate the personal insults in all of this.

Always will no matter where in life.

Throwing in gay jokes.

No need for it.

He’s saying it as others have labeled both Pearse O’D and Mattie McGrath as homophobic earlier in the thread without reason.

JohnnyFlash · 03-11-2020 11:13PM

The Benny Hill era jokers are out now. Only they aren't laughing.

Neither are we.

ooter · 03-11-2020 11:14PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Was it not her spat with Callinan?

Didn't she knock on his front door?

FrancieBrady · 03-11-2020 11:17PM

ooter wrote: »

Didn't she knock on his front door?

Yes.

stockshares · 03-11-2020 11:20PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Was it not her spat with Callinan?

Yes thats it. She blamed O Brien for the sacking. She seemed to be right on Callinan though

I used to read her from time to time in the Indo years ago. Then I noticed about 2-3 years ago she started making headlines on Twitter and a lot of Journalists started to disown her.

I couldn't understand it at first but I do now .

smurgen · 03-11-2020 11:38PM

Some of the stuff he admitted

https://twitter.com/ciananbrennan/status/1323685029562720258?s=19

03-11-2020 11:49PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Here we go again.

Nice.

You are reading absolutely everything that can be taken the wrong way as a homophobic slur. When the exact same phrases are used, and they are, against people who aren't gay, you wouldn't bat an eyelid.

You seem hypersensitive to homosexual innuendo.

StupidLikeAFox · 03-11-2020 11:51PM

thomas 123 wrote: »

He’s saying it as others have labeled both Pearse O’D and Mattie McGrath as homophobic earlier in the thread without reason.

Not sure about pearse Doherty, but Mattie McGrath was walking a thin line at best. He basically said that he had a picture on his phone of the two of them at a "certain parade" and to clarify the nature of the relationship. Now you could say that was an innocent question, but considering the innuendo and accusations that Leo was somehow in a relationship with this guy (which is a mild way of putting some of the comments that have been made) then you can see how Leo was miffed at that line of questioning. Don't know if it's strictly "homophobic" but it's a sinister and unnecessary without any shred of evidence they were in a relationship.

Leo Varadkar story in The Village??? - Mod Notes and banned Users in OP updated 16/05

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