Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee poll not working - pl ignore

RabbleRouser2k · 29-10-2020 12:03PM

Nevin Parsnipp wrote: »

Nobody having a "Go" at George Brock...they are having a go at RTE for the insane salaries.....my feeling is that these front liners are only the tip of the iceberg.

Take Darc'y for example ..on a wedge north of €500k for a short afternoon programme ?

All those sports guys during the first lockdown....any salary cuts ?

For the record I think George H is a very good commentator but like all the other high earners I don't think his wedge is justified.

Ray must have photos of someone, tucked away somewhere.

€500 000 for a now (cancelled) crappy tv show, an afternoon radio show...

And now some idiot in RTE (because RTE trades in nostalgia now) decided to revive the Den...

... if that show is as 'top quality' as his chatshow (and we know it won't be, because it's going to be on a Sunday night, the graveyard shift) then more questions will be asked, surely?

Elmo · 29-10-2020 12:39PM

Re: George, I was pointing out how as one of the lower down top ten earns he pops in and out of the list, making me beleive that RTÉ staff are aware of the top ten and limit their income based on the number 10, I think Brian Dobson is a good example as he hoovers around 195,000 per year, which puts him in and out of the list depending on if number 10 gets less than 200,000. I doubt he's taken much of a cut.

Re: D'Arcy I assume he's taken a cut, we only have 2016 to go on, RTÉ have yet to announce 2017 or 2018, I think they are hoping to release 2019 with them as it will show cuts!

RabbleRouser2k · 29-10-2020 01:20PM

Elmo wrote: »

Re: George, I was pointing out how as one of the lower down top ten earns he pops in and out of the list, making me beleive that RTÉ staff are aware of the top ten and limit their income based on the number 10, I think Brian Dobson is a good example as he hoovers around 195,000 per year, which puts him in and out of the list depending on if number 10 gets less than 200,000. I doubt he's taken much of a cut.

Re: D'Arcy I assume he's taken a cut, we only have 2016 to go on, RTÉ have yet to announce 2017 or 2018, I think they are hoping to release 2019 with them as it will show cuts!

I doubt he'll take a cut.

It might be one of those 'cuts by deception'... as in 'Ray D'arcy took a pay cut'.. when in reality, he parlayed the money into his 'production company', just like Ryan Tubridy does. (Production company is one of those RTE presenter ways to say they took a pay cut, when really they pay it into their 'production company').

Elmo · 29-10-2020 02:50PM

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

I doubt he'll take a cut.

It might be one of those 'cuts by deception'... as in 'Ray D'arcy took a pay cut'.. when in reality, he parlayed the money into his 'production company', just like Ryan Tubridy does. (Production company is one of those RTE presenter ways to say they took a pay cut, when really they pay it into their 'production company').

Well it might be more like Pat Kenny, I will take a pay cut for my 5 year contract, but I will need you to give me a big fat bonus at the end of the 5 years for completion, oh and I am off to Newstalk just to prove my worth.

RINO87 · 29-10-2020 03:31PM

Brock Turnpike wrote: »

Not sure why people having a go George Hamilton.

He has been the best football commentator in Ireland for decades. Admittedly his powers are on the wane, but I wouldn't be focusing on him out of everyone on that list.

Yeah, leave George out of this, he's the voice of our childhood!

....well mine anyway!

ohnonotgmail · 29-10-2020 04:12PM

RINO87 wrote: »

Yeah, leave George out of this, he's the voice of our childhood!

....well mine anyway!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-lPTzy9FHw

Idbatterim · 30-10-2020 12:29AM

where do you even start on the below? the government now providing huge advertisting spends, to many media outlets, probably many on verge of collapse, all struggling financially. Explains the media lack of proper coverage of the criminal levels of governance here. The media failing is actually very damaging to the country... The media is critical, but they are bought off, rte in particular...

Media critical to Ireland’s democracy, says Taoiseach

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/media-and-marketing/media-critical-to-ireland-s-democracy-says-taoiseach-1.4394892?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fbusiness%2Fmedia-and-marketing%2Fmedia-critical-to-ireland-s-democracy-says-taoiseach-1.4394892

ButtersSuki · 30-10-2020 06:34AM

There’s another method of deception on fees btw.

Say John Bluffy gets €2,000 per show and broadcasts 180 shows this year to “earn” €360,000.

Next year John’s agent secures John a raise to €2,500 per show, you know, to keep him away from the arms of the BBC, ITV, Channel 4, the American stations etc. that are always trying to poach RTÉ’s talent. John decides to only do 140 shows this year as he likes his time off. For his 140 shows at the new rate he now “earns” €350,000, but has 8 more weeks off.

Now RTÉ can say his overall fees were reduced (when in fact they went up per show) and John can say he took a cut because we’re all in this together etc.

Elmo · 30-10-2020 10:21AM

ButtersSuki wrote: »

There’s another method of deception on fees btw.

Say John Bluffy gets €2,000 per show and broadcasts 180 shows this year to “earn” €360,000.

Next year John’s agent secures John a raise to €2,500 per show, you know, to keep him away from the arms of the BBC, ITV, Channel 4, the American stations etc. that are always trying to poach RTɒs talent. John decides to only do 140 shows this year as he likes his time off. For his 140 shows at the new rate he now “earns” €350,000, but has 8 more weeks off.

Now RTÉ can say his overall fees were reduced (when in fact they went up per show) and John can say he took a cut because we’re all in this together etc.

John Bluffy is such an asshole for 2 hours on RTÉ Gold he can go .....:)

Kivaro · 30-10-2020 10:39AM

Elmo wrote: »

John Bluffy is such an asshole for 2 hours on RTÉ Gold he can go .....:)

Didn't Dee Forbes promise us that they were shutting down RTE Gold to save money? But then again, with RTE, that probably equates to the hiring of more staff and increase the salaries of those already there.

By the way, the threat to shut down RTE Gold was a cynical move by Forbes because she knows that a lot of workers out there actually listen to that station. She wanted to send out a message to the license fee payees that if we don't pay up (more money), then she will take away one of the few decent offerings that they provide.

Dee Forbes needs to go.

Elmo · 30-10-2020 11:08AM

Kivaro wrote: »

Didn't Dee Forbes promise us that they were shutting down RTE Gold to save money? But then again, with RTE, that probably equates to the hiring of more staff and increase the salaries of those already there.

By the way, the threat to shut down RTE Gold was a cynical move by Forbes because she knows that a lot of workers out there actually listen to that station. She wanted to send out a message to the license fee payees that if we don't pay up (more money), then she will take away one of the few decent offerings that they provide.

Dee Forbes needs to go.

So here what I think happened. Initially RTÉ thought it could just shut down the Radio Stations. I was at a conference where the head of radio (now the nominal head of content) address the BAI to say "they are trail services I think you will agree?" implying we can drop them when ever we want. The BAI (That 30 year suvivor, or lifer) nodded in agreement.

However.... see all the radio stations moved to Saorview and Virgin Media and aren't exclusively broadcast on trail DAB, meaning while RTÉ don't need permission to close DAB, they must under the Broadcasting act 2009 ask the Dept and the minister for permission to close the stations.

Last time I check in July they had yet to ask permission. I doubt that they have.

DAB AFAIK is due to close in the new year as planned.

Hotblack Desiato · 30-10-2020 12:56PM

Kivaro wrote: »

Didn't Dee Forbes promise us that they were shutting down RTE Gold to save money? But then again, with RTE, that probably equates to the hiring of more staff and increase the salaries of those already there.

By the way, the threat to shut down RTE Gold was a cynical move by Forbes because she knows that a lot of workers out there actually listen to that station. She wanted to send out a message to the license fee payees that if we don't pay up (more money), then she will take away one of the few decent offerings that they provide.

Dee Forbes needs to go.

If they threatened to close down the poxy orchestras or something only a handful would care, but no, threaten to take away something that a lot of people actually want, and that is cheap!

Remember when Dept. of Foreign Affairs were asked to make cost cuts and come up with a list of embassies for closure? This wasn't their first rodeo so they put the Vatican at the top of the list, every time previous it'd been "ah holy god, we can't close the Vatican embassy" and nothing got closed

Then their bluff was called - "hmm, costs a lot of money, generates no jobs, yeah close it" :pac:

We need a government that will give RTE a good solid kick up the fundament and unless they slash their costs they'll get what the bloated Greek broadcaster got.

Hotblack Desiato · 30-10-2020 12:57PM

Trial services?

Elmo · 30-10-2020 01:32PM

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Trial services?

DAB is consider a trail service. Digital Radio Stations RTÉ assume were only part of the DAB trail service, so if you kill DAB you kill Digital Radio Statios, no need to make a proposal to the minister, however all of the digital radio stations are available on Soarview and Virgin Media, neither being trial services. So RTÉ thread to close them came to nothing because they were unwilling to approach the Dept to approve the closure of the Digital Radio Stations.

Re: orchestras

They did threaten to close both them they had a big report written saying what the options were. one option was to close them. The other to move the NSO to the NCH with RTÉ involvement, the other to close the NSO and another to close the NCO.

The Governmnet have decided to move the NSO to the NCH, with funding of €8m but with no RTÉ involvement as proposed by RTÉ.

RTÉ given 6million in savings.

ohnonotgmail · 30-10-2020 01:53PM

Is DAB a trail service or a trial service?

Elmo · 30-10-2020 02:31PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Is DAB a trail service or a trial service?

What? did I missspelt somethink in my dyslexia rant. 'tis a frightful suitutaion if does find me uneducationed self in. :rolleyes:

ohnonotgmail · 30-10-2020 02:54PM

Elmo wrote: »

What? did I missspelt somethink in my dyslexia rant. 'tis a frightful suitutaion if does find me uneducationed self in. :rolleyes:

I have no idea but both you and Kivaro used trail service so it was a genuine question. No need for the :rolleyes:

Elmo · 30-10-2020 03:07PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

I have no idea but both you and Kivaro used trail service so it was a genuine question. No need for the :rolleyes:

Sorry, though you were being a Spelling Nazi.

I swapped the spelling half way down, so I wasn't aware of the misspelling.

30-10-2020 03:10PM

Elmo wrote: »

Sorry, though you were being a Spelling Nazi.

I swapped the spelling half way down, so I wasn't aware of the misspelling.

Time to invest in a spell czech program, methinks.

DrSerious3 · 31-10-2020 07:10PM

I wonder how hard RTE will persue the Varadkar story?

ShamNNspace · 31-10-2020 07:45PM

DrSerious3 wrote: »

I wonder how hard RTE will persue the Varadkar story?

My view is they definitely wont fan the flames but if the story isn't showing signs of dying by monday they'll half heartedly follow up on it but their hearts wont be in it, not when there aren't any shinners involved

Kivaro · 01-11-2020 12:57PM

ShamNNspace wrote: »

My view is they definitely wont fan the flames but if the story isn't showing signs of dying by monday they'll half heartedly follow up on it but their hearts wont be in it, not when there aren't any shinners involved

RTE are most definitely handling the story with kids gloves.
And the reason why?
They expect Varadkar to be taoiseach again in over a year, and they want him to provide the additional finances required to keep RTE's highly paid stars and staff at their current luxurious levels.

RabbleRouser2k · 01-11-2020 01:16PM

Kivaro wrote: »

RTE are most definitely handling the story with kids gloves.
And the reason why?
They expect Varadkar to be taoiseach again in over a year, and they want him to provide the additional finances required to keep RTE's highly paid stars and staff at their current luxurious levels.

I feel like they're putting all their resources into the US election, hoping this blows over...

If Trump wins (which, sadly, is looking more and more likely) Leo's in trouble.
Lots of trouble.

lawrencesummers · 02-11-2020 09:49PM

Anybody know if the TV licence inspectors are currently working or not? I presume with the current restrictions that they are not working doing house calls?

Of course I’m not suggesting that people don’t need a license if the inspectors are not working and I have obviously got mine up to date it’s just that I look forward to verifying with these agents of the state that my license is up to date.

sligojoek · 02-11-2020 09:52PM

They are definitely calling to houses.

Pa ElGrande · 02-11-2020 10:39PM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Anybody know if the TV licence inspectors are currently working or not? I presume with the current restrictions that they are not working doing house calls?

Of course I’m not suggesting that people don’t need a license if the inspectors are not working and I have obviously got mine up to date it’s just that I look forward to verifying with these agents of the state that my license is up to date.

You are entered in the AN POST database as having paid your licence so they won't be around, If you want a visit, stop paying it and they will send your warning letters and eventually an inspector will show up. For your information there are between 45 and 55 of them.

There are 85 full time staff, including 45 permanent inspectors, involved in the process as well as up to 10 additional temporary inspectors as needed.

source

For your information the TV licence inspector technically has a power to enter your house (without any particular suspicion or reason) to see if you have a TV (Broadcasting act 2009).

(3) An officer of an issuing agent may enter at any reasonable time any premises or specified place for the purposes of ascertaining whether there is a television set there and a television licence is for the time being in force in respect of the premises or specified place authorising the keeping of a television set at the premises or specified place.

source

They are moving to tax us whether we watch RTE or not, the euphemisticly named device independent charge being tacked onto the local property tax. i.e. we will be taxed whether or not we use RTE services.

As always contact your local TD if you disagree.

Elmo · 02-11-2020 11:05PM

Pa ElGrande wrote: »

For your information the TV licence inspector technically has a power to enter your house (without any particular suspicion or reason) to see if you have a TV (Broadcasting act 2009).

They are moving to tax us whether we watch RTE or not, the euphemisticly named device independent charge being tacked onto the local property tax. i.e. we will be taxed whether or not we use RTE services.

As always contact your local TD if you disagree.

No that reports on the shelf. New one has begun will be ready in 9 months.
https://futureofmediacommission.ie/
eolas@futureofmediacommission.ie or info@futureofmediacommission.ie

rightmove · 03-11-2020 11:20AM

RTE have been a great platform for Leo. Who can remember his staged managed coming out with Miriam. Suppose that is one way to survive the Dept of health. RTE stand in judgment of the enemies and gloss over those they endorse. Did you not know liberals can do no wrong.

RabbleRouser2k · 03-11-2020 11:23AM

rightmove wrote: »

RTE have been a great platform for Leo. Who can remember his staged managed coming out with Miriam. Suppose that is one way to survive the Dept of health. RTE stand in judgment of the enemies and gloss over those they endorse. Did you not know liberals can do no wrong.

And the interview with his mum and dad that was taken down from the RTE site because it was clearly manipulated and coaxed to make him look good.

Hotblack Desiato · 03-11-2020 12:28PM

So why'd they take it down then?

If you're going to come up with a conspiracy theory, it has to make some sort of sense.

BTW I think a universal charge is the way to go.

Cut out evasion and the cost of collection. Win-win.

Reduce the charge and obtain the same income. Win-win-win.

Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

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Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee poll not working - pl ignore