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Covid in Schools

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    #692
    _Fluffy_
    Registered Users Posts: 22 ✭_Fluffy_


    Again, I’m not sure if unqualified people would want to take the risk, few workplaces in Ireland as dangerous. 50 nurses were diagnosed with Covid 19 last week - it is unclear how many teachers were. Recent reports of 4 staff members in Gorey, 7 staff members in a special school in Cork...


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    #693
    Treppen
    Registered Users Posts: 4,566 ✭✭✭Treppen


    wirelessdude01 wrote: »
    I'm gonna call it that panels of vetted 'civilians' will be established. Teacher out due to being a close contact then class is supervised by this person and teacher streams back into the class from Ciara Kellys hotpress or Claire Byrnes sauna.

    That was muted during the s&s strike/recession. Didn't go anywhere.


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    #694
    deiseindublin
    Registered Users Posts: 2,258 ✭✭✭deiseindublin


    I'm not surprised it wasn't successful, the rate of pay was abominable, and no guarantee of hours.


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    #695
    Treppen
    Registered Users Posts: 4,566 ✭✭✭Treppen


    Just read the article again and it said the department would assist principals with getting subs, that could mean anything really.


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    #696
    wirelessdude01
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    Treppen wrote: »
    That was muted during the s&s strike/recession. Didn't go anywhere.

    Would not surprise me if some version is revived again.


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    #697
    _Fluffy_
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    I agree with RealJohn, by assistance they mean throw money at the problem by making ‘extra funding available‘ for schools to solve their own staffing crisis however they see fit because principals know their own schools best etc etc


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    #698
    Icyseanfitz
    Registered Users Posts: 7,409 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    they will just throw money at it much like the reopening plan, in doing so the headlines will read that they have spent big to get education safe and the average joe will know no better and think the government are doing something. When school staff continue to give out about safety/tracing etc it will make us all look like the bad guys again.


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    #699
    km79
    Registered Users Posts: 48,137 ✭✭✭✭km79


    There would surely be a huge uptake of it from the regular teacher bashers on some other threads .
    Ye have yere chance now ladies and gentleman ;)


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    #700
    khalessi
    Registered Users Posts: 6,215 ✭✭✭khalessi


    It will be up to the Union to chase it up. I notice the terminology has already changed in paper from school teams to community health teams

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/community-health-teams-to-deal-with-outbreaks-in-schools-39666962.html


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    #701
    km79
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    khalessi wrote: »
    It will be up to the Union to chase it up. I notice the terminology has already changed in paper from school teams to community health teams

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/community-health-teams-to-deal-with-outbreaks-in-schools-39666962.html

    Not sure how they will help support schools finding subs at short notice unless the “teams” intend on subbing themselves
    Pure lip service in response to growing media scrutiny .......


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    #702
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users Posts: 8,418 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    The most important thing we need in the education sector is a definitive definition of what constitutes a close contact and that this isn't allowed to change due to what someone thinks.

    No messing around with regards to cases in primary, positive case means all that class plus associated staff all automatically get tested.

    With secondary there needs to bea more nuanced approach and maybe some secondary colleagues could make some suggestions.


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    #703
    khalessi
    Registered Users Posts: 6,215 ✭✭✭khalessi


    km79 wrote: »
    Not sure how they will help support schools finding subs at short notice unless the “teams” intend on subbing themselves
    Pure lip service in response to growing media scrutiny .......

    Agreed as it it they have 4 subs covering 16 schools, dont know how they can stretch them out anymore.


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    #704
    Treppen
    Registered Users Posts: 4,566 ✭✭✭Treppen


    I think there's plenty of teachers on very low hours who could be streamlined into a traveling sub. Even if it's for 1 day in a different school it would make a difference. Of course in Secondary there's always the dear that they'll be poached by another school. Give them a decent travel allowance and some security.
    It works well in primary for a teacher I know.


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    #705
    shesty
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    A child in our eldest's class is going for a test today.
    Last contact was Friday.Wonder will we hear from the HSE if it is positive???Outside 48 hours so I doubt it.I don't love the parent Whatsapp group but these days it is very helpful and thankfully the parents in our group are very good for putting the hands up and letting everyone know early.No point waiting to hear from anyone else.


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    #706
    km79
    Registered Users Posts: 48,137 ✭✭✭✭km79


    Treppen wrote: »
    I think there's plenty of teachers on very low hours who could be streamlined into a traveling sub. Even if it's for 1 day in a different school it would make a difference. Of course in Secondary there's always the dear that they'll be poached by another school. Give them a decent travel allowance and some security.
    It works well in primary for a teacher I know.
    That’s a lot of contact tracing if that teacher contracts Covid ........


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    #707
    _Fluffy_
    Registered Users Posts: 22 ✭_Fluffy_


    We’re hearing of clusters in primary classes now. For example, there was a screen shot of a message sent to parents by the principal of a school in Swords on that Facebook group keeping track of the numbers, posted on Saturday, thanking the 24 out of 27 parents of the class that had shared their child’s Covid test results with the school, and explaining that 8 of the class had tested positive. Fair play to the parents and the principal.

    Furthermore, because of the school knowing who the 8 cases were, they were able to establish that 3 more staff members needed to self-isolate and be tested.

    Another example on the same Facebook group was a screenshot of a message from a school in Skibbereen with six positive cases in one classroom.


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    #708
    Bobtheman
    Registered Users Posts: 2,647 ✭✭✭Bobtheman


    _Fluffy_ wrote: »
    We’re hearing of clusters in primary classes now. For example, there was a screen shot of a message sent to parents by the principal of a school in Swords on that Facebook group keeping track of the numbers, posted on Saturday, thanking the 24 out of 27 parents of the class that had shared their child’s Covid test results with the school, and explaining that 8 of the class had tested positive. Fair play to the parents and the principal.

    Furthermore, because of the school knowing who the 8 cases were, they were able to establish that 3 more staff members needed to self-isolate and be tested.

    Another example on the same Facebook group was a screenshot of a message from a school in Skibbereen with six positive cases in one classroom.
    Why do staff have to isolate if they had masks on ?


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    #709
    mirrorwall14
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,751 ✭✭✭mirrorwall14


    We have multiple unqualified covid subs already at second level. Can’t imagine we are the only school. They have a degree and Garda vetting but neither teaching experience nor teaching qualification. They are a body in the room. Nice people don’t get me wrong but not ideal at all


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    #710
    mirrorwall14
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,751 ✭✭✭mirrorwall14


    Bobtheman wrote: »
    Why do staff have to isolate if they had masks on ?

    Because masks don’t protect the wearer, they protect others and students at primary aren’t wearing them. And at second level no one teacher can see if a student has taken off their masks, nose out etc at all times. They don’t have thirty sets of eyes in their head


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    #711
    _Fluffy_
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    Exactly. Mirrorwall14 is spot on. And sure, if facemasks guaranteed complete immunity, nobody would need to work from home, there'd be no need for social distancing or disinfecting shopping baskets in the supermarket, the country wouldn't be worrying about all the closed shops going out of business because they wouldn't have had to close, level 5 wouldn't exist... Would there even be a pandemic?


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    #712
    wirelessdude01
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    This principal is pretty straight in what they think to Emma O''Kelly.


    https://amp.rte.ie/amp/1173968/?__twitter_impression=true


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    #713
    km79
    Registered Users Posts: 48,137 ✭✭✭✭km79


    wirelessdude01 wrote: »
    This principal is pretty straight in what they think to Emma O''Kelly.


    https://amp.rte.ie/amp/1173968/?__twitter_impression=true

    The pressure from the media is mounting now


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    #714
    Smacruairi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,481 ✭✭✭Smacruairi


    km79 wrote: »
    The pressure from the media is mounting now

    For the week that they are off... Then it'll be ignoring it as per usual.


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    #715
    Bobtheman
    Registered Users Posts: 2,647 ✭✭✭Bobtheman


    _Fluffy_ wrote: »
    Exactly. Mirrorwall14 is spot on. And sure, if facemasks guaranteed complete immunity, nobody would need to work from home, there'd be no need for social distancing or disinfecting shopping baskets in the supermarket, the country wouldn't be worrying about all the closed shops going out of business because they wouldn't have had to close, level 5 wouldn't exist... Would there even be a pandemic?
    Sorry I didn't mean to give impression it was enough just a member of school management said that you can be in a class with a covid student and not be counted as a close contact because of the masks!? Made no sense to me


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    #716
    Bobtheman
    Registered Users Posts: 2,647 ✭✭✭Bobtheman


    I think the pressure for school closures will continue to mount.


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    #717
    _Fluffy_
    Registered Users Posts: 22 ✭_Fluffy_


    Sorry Bobtheman, I completely understand you now, and agree with you. The principal and staff in the aforementioned school in Swords appear to be making the decision to count the staff as close contacts, independent of the HSE recommendations (if there have been any). It seems some schools are making the decision to ask parents to contact them directly instead of waiting to see if/when the HSE do it. I only know this from reading all the screenshots of messages sent in to the Facebook group that is keeping a record. It's eye-opening, to say the least.


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    #718
    Bobtheman
    Registered Users Posts: 2,647 ✭✭✭Bobtheman


    Can I get a link to the facebook page please?


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    #719
    Bobtheman
    Registered Users Posts: 2,647 ✭✭✭Bobtheman


    May we all be safe. I honestly don't think the government knows exactly what it's doing. I hope no teacher dies or suffers long term damage because of the negligence of the government.
    Unfortunately our political parties are not great and we have largely ourselves to blame. Too many Independents


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    #720
    Treppen
    Registered Users Posts: 4,566 ✭✭✭Treppen


    wirelessdude01 wrote: »
    This principal is pretty straight in what they think to Emma O''Kelly.


    https://amp.rte.ie/amp/1173968/?__twitter_impression=true

    "Discussions between the department and teacher trade unions and school management bodies will continue over the mid-term."

    What a load of proverbial


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    #721
    _Fluffy_
    Registered Users Posts: 22 ✭_Fluffy_


    Bobtheman wrote: »
    Can I get a link to the facebook page please?

    Certainly! https://www.facebook.com/groups/600905740607906

    I was slow to join it myself because it is a parents' group, but I think there are school staff who are not parents contributing to the group too.


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