Star Trek Discovery Season 3 Episide 1: That Hope Is You,part1

GSPfan · 17-10-2020 02:08PM

I’m going to watch this entire season but I’m going to continue to be irritated by Burnham. Can’t stand the way the character is at the centre of absolutely everything and it doesn’t help that the actor isn’t that likeable to me. I actually found her hard to watch on The Walking Dead and now the same on Discovery.

Discovery is the worst Star Trek series by a mile. Picard wasn’t good but there was some good bits.

Mr E · 17-10-2020 02:59PM

Binged season 2 last week for the first time and loved it. The start of season 3 was a weird shift in tone, but I thought it was great too. Loved the last 5-10 minutes, and I love that it's a blank slate.

EltonJohn69 · 17-10-2020 03:33PM

TheValeyard wrote: »

That honour should be Lower Decks season finale

I will check it out

corkie · 17-10-2020 05:03PM

denartha wrote: »

Just watched it. Agree on the strange.

At times I thought I was watching Men in Black.

Johnny Storm · 17-10-2020 05:56PM

Meh is right, unfortunately.

17-10-2020 08:16PM

It was a bit hammy altogether wasnt it. I do agree Michael is getting a bit overwrought half the time. I know it's a bad day but it was always like that

PhiloCypher · 17-10-2020 09:04PM

Every scene with Michael feels like that mock Oscar worthy film trailer that was floating around a few years ago. Everything is overly earnest ,and painfully profound .

Tired Gardener · 17-10-2020 10:15PM

Best thing was getting to see Iceland's wonderful landscape... and also getting to count the places I recognised.

Sound was odd, action scenes (which there are too many of) were loud, dialogue was whispered.

Discovery still doesn't feel like a Star Trek.

440Hertz · 18-10-2020 12:27AM

It’s far, far, far too much about one person. The Trek element is only barely there.

I’ve a feeling I won’t like this series very much.

Mr Meanor · 18-10-2020 12:34AM

I think they got mixed up between
Gene Roddenberry's Star Trek
Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda (with extra tears)

There was one other difference, did you pick it up? looks like somebody is chasing an Emmy

440Hertz · 18-10-2020 12:39AM

Maybe I’m just not in the humour got dystopian sci-fi. The one thing about Star Trek was optimism.

For Trek the plots are too depressing. It lays in moralising in a way that’s far too unsubtle. The characters are hard to relate to. The dialogue is all whispery and over dramatised and the wobbly camera and extreme use of weird special effects just makes it confusing to watch. It’s also far too violent and just gratuitously so. There’s no context to it most of the time. It’s just gore and shoot em ups for the sake of it.

It’s it’s own thing, but it’s just not Star Trek at all.

I think I’ll go back to comfort watching TNG spin offs.

Also that music bed that goes through the whole show is really annoying! It just creates this feeling of sweeping forward all the time.

It seems the show was designed for an audience who have zero attention span for anything and just want wall to wall dazzle with special effects. It’s like watching a demo reel for an 8K smart TV, trying to show off the resolution.

And to make it more infuriating it’s produced in an ultra wide format that doesn’t fit any known domestic television or monitor, without letterboxing.

CastorTroy · 18-10-2020 01:21PM

Seemed like they were trying to give her more personality, though took the drug to do that. I know being raised by Vulcans is the reason, but she can still act more human.

440Hertz · 18-10-2020 01:49PM

The Vulcans were more craic. I’d much rather have a pint with Tuvok!

CastorTroy · 18-10-2020 01:55PM

And Spock last season seemed better company

440Hertz · 18-10-2020 01:58PM

I think the biggest issue is she’s written to be utterly humourless.

If you think of all the other emotionally cold characters:

Spock, Tuvok, T’Pol, Data & Seven of Nine, all of them were written with a certain deadpan, dry sense of humour. Burnham just has this dogmatic sense of duty, a god complex and is so serious she’s boring. There’s absolutely no let up to the heavy. I mean even when she was on drugs she was still serious!

They also absolutely destroyed the Klingons, with similar dark, weird, dogma type stuff. The Klingons were always a bit mad but fun.

I dread to think what they’ll do with the Betazoids, although it looks like that’s what they’ve just done with Book or whatever his name is ...

JeffKenna · 18-10-2020 04:00PM

Nearly gave up watching season 2. Is this any better?

Goodshape · 18-10-2020 04:15PM

440Hertz wrote: »

It’s also far too violent and just gratuitously so. There’s no context to it most of the time. It’s just gore and shoot em ups for the sake of it.

That really bugged me in this episode.

All that dreary cinematic colour grading and ultra wide format. It's definitely a very real universe, taking things seriously this time... well, except for this chucklesom comedy duo and their band of anonymous henchmen. A wee nod on and a wink and SPIN KICK! KER-CHOP! Nothing can stop our heros!

So much emotion, sincerity and definitely really real consequences and big speeches reminding us that things matter, damit it! ...well, except these guys. *BLAM* *BLAM* *BLAM*. VAPORIZED while we almost simultaneously shed tears over a flag.

EltonJohn69 · 18-10-2020 07:12PM

So much hate....

EltonJohn69 · 18-10-2020 07:13PM

Next generation the doctor had sex with a ghost.....

Evade · 18-10-2020 07:14PM

Extreme, but not unexpected, disappointment is probably more accurate.

duffman13 · 18-10-2020 09:52PM

Found its a little cringe at the end! I have sometimes enjoyed the first two seasons and the story arc has huge potential but I'm not sure I like where its going already. Still ill stick with it for a little while longer and see how this plays out

PhiloCypher · 18-10-2020 10:45PM

440Hertz wrote: »

I think the biggest issue is she’s written to be utterly humourless.

If you think of all the other emotionally cold characters:

Spock, Tuvok, T’Pol, Data & Seven of Nine, all of them were written with a certain deadpan, dry sense of humour. Burnham just has this dogmatic sense of duty, a god complex and is so serious she’s boring. There’s absolutely no let up to the heavy. I mean even when she was on drugs she was still serious!

They also absolutely destroyed the Klingons, with similar dark, weird, dogma type stuff. The Klingons were always a bit mad but fun.

I dread to think what they’ll do with the Betazoids, although it looks like that’s what they’ve just done with Book or whatever his name is ...

The problem with Burnham is she skirts dangerously close to a caricature of what someone thinks a star trek character/officer should be, overly earnest , amazed by everything, with a hero complex. Every scene with her is like a star trek version of that mock Oscar worthy film trailer.

Mules · 18-10-2020 11:08PM

I loved it and Discovery wouldn't usually be my favourite. I'd give it a 9 out of 10. If there were a bit less action and more story I'd give it a 10.

Smacruairi · 19-10-2020 12:24AM

So many people were massacred in this episode.

I have no idea what the hell was going on with that random older bloke at the end. What has he been doing all his life? Why does Burnham immediately trust everyone? This is thr equivalent of William Wallace showing up in modern day times, why the hell is she able to "fit in" at all?

GSPfan · 19-10-2020 12:50AM

I just wonder why the producers and writers have pinned the success of this show on one character who is widely known to be disliked.

19-10-2020 01:13AM

The scene with Burnham and Sahil was funny.

Sahil: "So, I've pretty much been doing something really important for years without any official recognition."
Burnham: "You've done a great job."
Sahil: "Right, yeah, I know. But about that recognition thing..."
Burnham: "Like I said, great job."
Sahil: "Eh, thanks. But, you know, I'm not actually authorised to do anything for Star Fleet and maybe you could... as a Commander... kinda make me official?"
Burnham: "Well, sure, I could. But, you know, if you already FEEL like you're part of Star Fleet then you basically ARE part of the Federation. So, why the need to make it official?"
Sahil: "There's just you, me and that other guy in the room. And I'm pretty sure he's a criminal. I've spent my whole life here with this box and this flag."
Burnham: "..."
Sahil: "Sure. I get it. But could you just say a few words to swear me in? I could hold up my hand over the box with the flag in it and you could do your whole "Welcome to the Federation thing." We have a witness, it could be totally legal. If we ignore the fact that's he's probably a criminal."
Burnham: "..."
Sahil: (Sighs) "I'll hang the flag."
Burnham: "And then start surveying the whole galaxy so I can find my fellow Star Fleet colleagues. Which doesn't include you."

Worst manager ever.

EltonJohn69 · 19-10-2020 01:59AM

GSPfan wrote: »

I just wonder why the producers and writers have pinned the success of this show on one character who is widely known to be disliked.

I like her x

flazio · 19-10-2020 07:44AM

GSPfan wrote: »

I just wonder why the producers and writers have pinned the success of this show on one character who is widely known to be disliked.

Is she though? Is there somewhere online not known for moaning where she is being pulled up as unwatchable? Can we be sure it's not planted in racism, sexism, anti wokeness?
I just happen to be at the Voyager 2 parter "Future's End" at the moment and this doesn't feel all that dissimilar, we're now looking at it from Braxtons pov before Voyager turns up. Only this time Burnham doesn't turn into a homeless bum.
The series still looks absolutely stunning. It's even surpassed the Abrams movies, never mind the Next Gen movies. We're only at part 1 so I won't comment on the story just yet, I need to see the pay off.

Evade · 19-10-2020 10:52AM

If you dislike Burnham as a character you might be a secret *ist sure is a constructive position.

mikhail · 19-10-2020 11:53AM

flazio wrote: »

Is she though? Is there somewhere online not known for moaning where she is being pulled up as unwatchable?

That's a fine get out of jail free card there. Anything that disagrees with you is known for moaning, I have little doubt.

This poll is a little harsh on Saru seeing as he finishes dead last, a rounding error behind a mutineer.
https://intl.startrek.com/article/poll-says-most-trusted-first-officer-is

Or here's a discussion on r/startrek which seems uniformly negative, and raises many of the same criticisms as came up here.
https://www.reddit.com/r/startrek/comments/7xkep8/i_really_hope_michael_burnham_will_not_be_the/

I have no doubt there are people who like the character, but she certainly attracts plenty of negative reactions too.

Star Trek Discovery Season 3 Episide 1: That Hope Is You,part1

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