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Beatification of Carlo Acutis: The first millennial to be declared Blessed

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  • #2
    John Hutton
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    Here is a website which has Carlos work on the list of Eucharistic miracles on it, this was a major part of his life's work: http://www.miracolieucaristici.org/en/liste/list.html


  • #3
    Cyclingtourist
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    I see that Carlo Acutis has now been canonised a saint by Pope Leo XIV.

    What the Pope & the RCC does is its own business but it seems to me an opportunistic attempt to attract attention from the social media younger types.

    Apparently two 'miracles' have been attributed to veneration of a young man who died aged just 15 years. The second one I found interesting as a cyclist myself.

    On 23 May 2024, Pope Francis recognized a second miracle attributed to the intercession of Acutis.

     "The miracle attributed to his intercession occurred in 2022, when a Costa Rican woman named Valeria Valverde, had fallen off her bike and suffered a brain haemorrhage, with doctors giving her a low chance of survival. Her mother, Lilliana, prayed for the intercession of Acutis and visited his tomb. The same day, Valverde began to breathe independently again and was able to walk the next day with all evidence of the haemorrhage having disappeared."

    Carlo Acutis - Wikipedia

    Good for her but 'a miracle'? I suppose so if you're looking for an 'influencer saint'.



  • #4
    looksee
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    I just came here to see if there was any discussion about this. Its really not any of my business, and also, in the grand scheme of things to worry about, harmless; as Cyclingtourist says, its up to the Catholic Church what they do.

    I admit to being a bit baffled though, given that saints more usually suffered for their belief, yes he had leukaemia but that was, while tragic in such a young man, not unusual. He enjoyed and was good at programming, and used his skill to promote Catholicism and the Church, laudible, but hardly saint-worthy. He was considered responsible for two miracles, the minimum, ok, if the Church decided they were admissible who am I to argue?

    They may be looking to attract younger people with the website angle (it seems unlikely to be successful), but the bit that really befuzzled me was the fact that his heart, bits of his pericardium and hair - among other things have been distributed as relics for veneration. Certainly saints may be venerated, but do you really need bits of flesh to do it?

    As I say, I have no right to an opinion, but it seems a bit of a stretch.



  • #5
    Cyclingtourist
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    "As I say, I have no right to an opinion, but it seems a bit of a stretch."

    Of course you have a right to an opinion.



  • #6
    looksee
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123793682#Comment_123793682

    Well, yes, I considered that. Maybe 'My opinion is irrelevant' might be more accurate. There are too many people having opinions about things that do not affect them and that they do not understand.

    I absolutely do not understand the whole 'veneration' thing, not so much venerating people of virtue and of significance to a believer, but why do you need bits of body?

    Genesis says 'to dust you shall return' suggesting that dead bodies should be allowed to return to the earth, yet bodies and bits of body are preserved and decorated in elaborate containers, specifically preventing them from returning to the earth. 'True life is not the transient physical body but an eternal, spiritual one'. 



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  • #7
    Stanley 1
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058121423/beatification-of-carlo-acutis-the-first-millennial-to-be-declared-blessed

    Am sure the RCC will come up with a new miracle soon to upgrade the lad to Saint status, thereon his relics will prove to be a better crowd attraction and donations will suitably rise, a new turnover stream maximised.



  • #8
    Cyclingtourist
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123793729#Comment_123793729

    He was 'upgraded' today.

    It was his cannonisation that prompted my post.



  • #9
    JP Liz V1
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    Now is it St. Carlo Acutis



  • #10
    Cyclingtourist
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123794772#Comment_123794772

    #saint@carlo



  • #11
    Tombo2001
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    I suppose the question is - why is RTE news reporting it.

    Honestly, like what is anyone supposed to do the announcement that some regular enough dude, not much different to the rest of us, has been 'declared a saint'.



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  • #12
    Stanley 1
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123795326#Comment_123795326

    RCC will create the brand and monetize it and then wash, rinse and repeat, they have been at this lark, a very long time.



  • #13
    auspicious
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123793066#Comment_123793066

    What constitutes a miracle in the Church's view?



  • #14
    Stanley 1
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123850153#Comment_123850153

    Is it a cash maker, has it got the potential to last and grow turnover.



  • #15
    Cyclingtourist
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123850153#Comment_123850153

    That would be an ecumenical question.



  • #16
    auspicious
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123850489#Comment_123850489

    Not entirely. They do rely a great deal on doctors' scientific reports.



  • #17
    Peregrinus
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123850153#Comment_123850153

    Nearly all miracles investigated these days, in the context of canonisation, are medical cures. The rules for recognising such a cure as miraculous are:

    • The cure must be sudden, complete and lasting. Gradual improvements are not acceptable. A relapse disqualifies.
    • The cure must exceed natural explanation
    • This has to be verified by the opinions of doctors and other relevant experts, who must express the view that they know of no natural explanation for what they observe. The doctors and experts who are consulted must include non-Catholics.
    • The cure must be shown to have occurred after prayers for the intercession of the candidate for sainthood whose cause is being investigated.
    Post edited by Peregrinus on


  • #18
    Hotblack Desiato
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123793066#Comment_123793066

    Since when was surviving from a "low chance of survival" a miracle? A low chance is still a chance.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • #19
    Cyclingtourist
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123856019#Comment_123856019

    That would be an ecumenical question.



  • #20
    Hotblack Desiato
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    It seems the bar is being lowered for commercial reasons.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • #21
    Peregrinus
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123856019#Comment_123856019

    The supposed miracle wasn't, I think, that she survived; it was that she was cured overnight, with all evidence of the haemorrhage disappearing. Presumably the doctors hadn't envisaged any chance of that happening.



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  • #22
    auspicious
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123856019#Comment_123856019

    They recovered with no medical explanations. So it was beyond the scope and scientific expectation of the doctors on how such a thing could have occurred.

    Yet it did occur after prayers were offered for an intercession.



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