Republic of Ireland Team Talk/News/Rumours 2020/2021 - see Mod Note in OP [18/11/20]

Ferris_Bueller · 12-10-2020 04:01PM

It baffles me how anyone can be so anti-any particular manager of a team they support this early into a reign. I have supported every manager from Mccarthy first spell all the way through to now, wanting each and every one of them to do well because at the end of the day I want Ireland to win matches and get to tournaments. There have come points where I've lost faith in managers (end of Trap and MON eras) but how can someone have lost faith in Kenny already? It's clear they just have an agenda and want him to fail from out outset.

BonnieSituation · 12-10-2020 04:04PM

Apparently this is all constructive criticism as well.

12-10-2020 04:06PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Well we’re 4 games closer to Kenny getting the boot, so that keeps me going.

Your reason for watching Irish games is to hope the manager gets sacked?

Obviously then you hope we lose.

Which is fair enough, but it's just a bit of a wind up on a thread of Irish supporters.

Nunu · 12-10-2020 04:11PM

Irish Examiner reporting no other player deemed a close contact of latest positive test.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/soccer/arid-40063478.html?type=amp&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&__twitter_impression=true

topmanamillion · 12-10-2020 04:12PM

It's actually surprised me how quickly the team have adapted from total hoof ball to putting it on the deck when possible.
There were actually times the other night against Slovakia we looked positively composed on the ball.
We still can't score and look blunt as can be in attack but we've looked that way for a long time now. We went through an entire qualifying campaign under Mick where our big centre backs forehead was our main attacking threat.

Kenny's brief is relatively simple, Foster a more modern progressive approach in the way we play and bring through some young players.
It's early days but it looks like the players are buying into it anyway which is promising although ultimately unless a decent goal scorer materialises for us over the next 2 years or so we're probably going no where.

weldoninhio · 12-10-2020 04:21PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Your reason for watching Irish games is to hope the manager gets sacked?

Obviously then you hope we lose.

Which is fair enough, but it's just a bit of a wind up on a thread of Irish supporters.

No I want Ireland to win. I’ve seen nothing from Kenny to show that that’s gonna happen any time soon. He’s out of his depth. And Andrews too. Sooner he’s gone the sooner we get someone competent in.

Chalk McHugh · 12-10-2020 04:25PM

You can only play whats in front of you but as other posters have highlighted our opposition so far under Kenny has been pretty poor to say the least.

I'll reserve real judgement on how the team are progressing when we meet some top countries with World Cup qualifying to play for. It will be interesting to see if teams willl allow us the same time on the ball as we've been afforded in these pretty boring Nations League games which are played at a near snails pace. These games are mere shadow boxing for when the real show comes to town.

BonnieSituation · 12-10-2020 04:27PM

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

You can only play whats in front of you but as other posters have highlighted our opposition so far under Kenny has been pretty poor to say the least.

I'll reserve real judgement on how the team are progressing when we meet some top countries with World Cup qualifying to play for. It will be interesting to see if teams willl allow us the same time on the ball as we've been afforded in these pretty boring Nations League games which are played at a near snails pace. These games are mere shadow boxing for when the real show comes to town.

Like the Slovakia game? You know that was a play off game, and not a NL (shadow boxing) game, right?

BonnieSituation · 12-10-2020 04:28PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

No I want Ireland to win. I’ve seen nothing from Kenny to show that that’s gonna happen any time soon. He’s out of his depth. And Andrews too. Sooner he’s gone the sooner we get someone competent in.

Right, and when did you come to that conclusion?

Was it before or after the Bulgaria match?

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And who would you get in now to replace SK? I'm sure you have a list of progressive managers in the lower reaches in England who ya think can do the job?

Chalk McHugh · 12-10-2020 04:29PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

No I want Ireland to win. I’ve seen nothing from Kenny to show that that’s gonna happen any time soon. He’s out of his depth. And Andrews too. Sooner he’s gone the sooner we get someone competent in.

Roy Keane must have an issue with Andrews as he called him out to be one of the biggest bluffers out there. I like Andrews met him before and is a sound lad. Not sure of his coaching capabilities, though. Early days.

The_Kew_Tour · 12-10-2020 04:29PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Yeah, I missed the game where Mick could have got to a playoff final and the already poor opponents lost their only three decent players in the days beforehand.

If only Kenny could get a stroke of luck like that.

I must have missed where Mick had all those players out through covid and had 2 chances instead of 1 to qualify :rolleyes:

The_Kew_Tour · 12-10-2020 04:30PM

So if people want Kenny out, who should we get in?

BonnieSituation · 12-10-2020 04:31PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

So if people want Kenny out, who should we get in?

Someone with Ian Barraclough, Michael O'Neill or Paul Cook's pedigree would be my choice.

Chalk McHugh · 12-10-2020 04:32PM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Like the Slovakia game? You know that was a play off game, and not a NL game, right?

I do know yes. I said it on here few times already that this is not the strong Slovakian team of old. One of their football journalists said as much pre match. They were also down 3 or 4 of their top players and playing in an empty stadium. And we lost anyway.

So i'm reserving judgement for big World Cup qualifying games against strong opposition with the possibility of crowds back at games.

BonnieSituation · 12-10-2020 04:34PM

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

I do know yes. I said it on here gew times already that this is not the strong Slovakian team of old. One of their football journalists said as much pre match. They were also down 3 or 4 of their top players and playing in an empty stadium. And we lost anyway.

So i'm reserving judgement for big World Cup qualifying games against strong opposition with the possibility of crowds back at games.

Ah yes, we weren't missing players either and we didn't have to deal woth the baying masses of the Slovak faithful.

And sure didn't we draw?

weldoninhio · 12-10-2020 04:39PM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Right, and when did you come to that conclusion?

Was it before or after the Bulgaria match?

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And who would you get in now to replace SK? I'm sure you have a list of progressive managers in the lower reaches in England who ya think can do the job?

I would have stuck with Mick. If he hadn’t Delaneys “legacy” waiting to take over I think he would have started blooding youngsters earlier. Other than that Hughton was available until a week ago. Allardyce is renowned for making the unit better than its parts and as an outside shout the Cowley brothers are free too. But then again, I wouldn’t limit myself to the “lower reaches of England”.

The_Kew_Tour · 12-10-2020 04:40PM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Someone with Ian Barraclough, Michael O'Neill or Paul Cook's pedigree would be my choice.

The same manager who lost 1-5 to Norway at home. He be out door faster than you can say virus

BonnieSituation · 12-10-2020 04:43PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

I would have stuck with Mick. If he hadn’t Delaneys “legacy” waiting to take over I think he would have started blooding youngsters earlier

Right, so he would have blooded youngsters and then what? We don't qualify for Euro2020 as has happened and you and your ilk come on here and "shout, it's a disgrace, need to go with proven internationals blah blah blah".

If Kenny "bloods some youngsters" would that not satisfy you?

Or is the fact that he has played such aging veterans like O'Dowda, Horgan and Doherty in his teams that has wound you up.

If SK throws in a load of youngsters on Wednesday and we get walloped, would you be happy as new blood is something that you want to see?

Other than that Hughton was available until a week ago. Allardyce is renowned for making the unit better than its parts and as an outdoor shout the Cowley brothers are free too. But then again, I wouldn’t limit myself to the “lower reaches of England”.

In my post I was going to ask "which allardyce-like coach you would take. But figured we had all moved on form getting the likes of Big Sam in.

Clearly not.

You're an absolute bengal-lancer. No point engaging with you on this subject.

weldoninhio · 12-10-2020 04:45PM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Right, so he would have blooded youngsters and then what? We don't qualify for Euro2020 as has happened and you and your ilk come on here and "shout, it's a disgrace, need to go with proven internationals blah blah blah".

In my post I was going to ask "which allardyce-like coach you would take. But figured we had all moved on form getting the likes of Big Sam in.

Clearly not.

You're an absolute bengal-lancer. No point engaging with you on this subject.

Bengal lancer?

The fcuking neck on me having a different opinion to you!!

See that crystal ball where Mick doesn’t qualify, will you check it there to see how much longer Kenny lasts??

BonnieSituation · 12-10-2020 04:48PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Bengal lancer?

Chancer. Not a Dunphy fan? You would never have guessed tbh given you're as contrary.

The fcuking neck on me having a different opinion to you!!

Differing opinions are fine, it's just that yours doesn't even hold up to the most basic scrutiny. You're a cod.

Pablo Escobar · 12-10-2020 04:57PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Bengal lancer?

The fcuking neck on me having a different opinion to you!!

See that crystal ball where Mick doesn’t qualify, will you check it there to see how much longer Kenny lasts??

We should have already been qualified under Mick. It’s ridiculous that we needed a playoff from the position we were in at the start.

BonnieSituation · 12-10-2020 05:01PM

Pablo Escobar wrote: »

We should have already been qualified under Mick. It’s ridiculous that we needed a playoff from the position we were in at the start.

And if we had qualified early on we could have blooded all of those youngsters that SK is failing to give a chance to.

So yeah, Kenny out!

weldoninhio · 12-10-2020 05:06PM

Pablo Escobar wrote: »

We should have already been qualified under Mick. It’s ridiculous that we needed a playoff from the position we were in at the start.

Denmark and Switzerland are both well better than us. We finished par. Third seed and came third.

eire4 · 12-10-2020 05:07PM

The utter farce that is playing international football at the moment continues. A second Irish player has tested positive. No word yet on who and how many close contacts will be ruled out now for Finland but really at this point this is just ridiculous.

Ferris_Bueller · 12-10-2020 05:07PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

So if people want Kenny out, who should we get in?

I'm obviously not anti Kenny but I'll give you a good laugh. A group chat I'm in over the weekend was having a similar conversation to this one, one of the lads stated he wanted Kenny gone ASAP. When asked who would he like to get the job instead his list included; Niall Quinn, Steve Staunton, Roy Keane, Damien Duff, Robbie Keane and Brian Kerr. :pac:

RonanG86 · 12-10-2020 05:30PM

I wonder will Roy Keane ever manage in football again.

His primary attribute appears to be shouting at average players, in the hope that if he does it enough it'll make them into good ones. His 'honesty' as a pundit probably won't endear too many CEOs to the idea of hiring him. And being assistant to O'Neill, who decided to regress his tactics to caveman football sometime in 2017, probably hasn't helped his reputation either.

briany · 12-10-2020 05:46PM

There will always be a cadre of 'fans' who want a manager sacked after pretty much their first negative result of consequence. This, of course, is impractical and unrealistic. Any proper manager should be given at least one full campaign to assess their performance. Kenny was parachuted in at the tail-end of one, which although I don't really think that was the right call from the FAI, I don't think that should reflect badly on Kenny.

Anyway, the biggest problem facing the team right now is the lack of a goalscorer and a playmaker. Tactics will only get you so far - on the pitch you need someone with an eye for a pass, and you need someone with an eye for goal. The team's chronic lack of a playmaker has been dealt with by the preceding couple of managers through defensive organisation and set piece work. If Kenny's intent on playing a passing game, he can't really rely on that route so much. He needs canny lads to make his approach truly effective.

The great irony, here, is that Kenny's tenure could end with calls to return to the route one football so many were complaining about in the first place, because the great truth of competitive football is that the only thing that matters is the result. That's it, end of. Whatever style of play gets you the best results is the one which should be played. But they'll complain either way... and expertly dance around the fact that the Irish system isn't really producing the players necessary, and that's a ground up problem. Maybe now that the FAI is run by someone not intent on using the organisation as his own personal ATM, we could see the fruition of good work done at grass roots level, but we'll have to be a bit patient.

eire4 · 12-10-2020 05:53PM

briany wrote: »

There will always be a cadre of 'fans' who want a manager sacked after pretty much their first negative result of consequence. This, of course, is impractical and unrealistic. Any proper manager should be given at least one full campaign to assess their performance. Kenny was parachuted in at the tail-end of one, which although I don't really think that was the right call from the FAI, I don't think that should reflect badly on Kenny.

Anyway, the biggest problem facing the team right now is the lack of a goalscorer and a playmaker. Tactics will only get you so far - on the pitch you need someone with an eye for a pass, and you need someone with an eye for goal. The team's chronic lack of a playmaker has been dealt with by the preceding couple of managers through defensive organisation and set piece work. If Kenny's intent on playing a passing game, he can't really rely on that route so much. He needs canny lads to make his approach truly effective.

The great irony, here, is that Kenny's tenure could end with calls to return to the route one football so many were complaining about in the first place, because the great truth of competitive football is that the only thing that matters is the result. That's it, end of. Whatever style of play gets you the best results is the one which should be played. But they'll complain either way... and expertly dance around the fact that the Irish system isn't really producing the players necessary, and that's a ground up problem. Maybe now that the FAI is run by someone not intent on using the organisation as his own personal ATM, we could see the fruition of good work done at grass roots level, but we'll have to be a bit patient.

Patience is the key no question because this is a ground up as you say problem that will take years to solve. There is no quick fixes given how long the FAI have neglected the fostering of the proper underage structures and facilities to ensure a steady stream of quality players coming through. Kenny may or may not be the man who can spearhead the national team in this transitional period but he certainly needs time and there are going to be a lot of grumpy and unhappy Irish fans for quite some years to come because for sure this team will not be qualifying for the next World Cup Finals either IMHO. But as long as clear progress is being made on and off the field in terms of the proper structures then Kenny deserves a shot at this project. But I certainly do not envy him because he is going to be pilloried by many as we are seeing already.

BonnieSituation · 12-10-2020 06:23PM

sugarman wrote: »

Our squad for the Finland game has to be one the youngest we've have in 20 years. Only 3 players over the age of 30. Randolph (33), Long (33) and Stevens (30).

He needs to blood more young players I think.

BonnieSituation · 12-10-2020 06:27PM

eire4 wrote: »

Patience is the key no question because this is a ground up as you say problem that will take years to solve. There is no quick fixes given how long the FAI have neglected the fostering of the proper underage structures and facilities to ensure a steady stream of quality players coming through. Kenny may or may not be the man who can spearhead the national team in this transitional period but he certainly needs time and there are going to be a lot of grumpy and unhappy Irish fans for quite some years to come because for sure this team will not be qualifying for the next World Cup Finals either IMHO. But as long as clear progress is being made on and off the field in terms of the proper structures then Kenny deserves a shot at this project. But I certainly do not envy him because he is going to be pilloried by many as we are seeing already.

And this is the thing, you would swear that we have been qualifying for WCs with such regularity that returning to our old ways would prove instantly successful.

Since our last WC we have only qualified for 2 European championships and with the extra teams since 2016, it's now almost harder to NOT qualify. I mean, who are these muppets that think that after 4 matches in the middle of a pandemic, with next to no prep and having a squad decimated by social distancing rules, actually think that is long enough to judge SK.

And not only that, think the likes of Sam Allardyce is the answer.

Republic of Ireland Team Talk/News/Rumours 2020/2021 - see Mod Note in OP [18/11/20]

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