US Presidential Election 2020

Foxtrol · 09-10-2020 05:43PM

Gbear wrote: »

By that I mean that if between now and, say, February, there's 3 big rulings passed by the supreme court along 6-3 partisan lines, that could give the Democrats the public support they need to do something like stack the court.
I don't mean that they should wait, but that they might be facing a different political landscape by the time they can do something about it.

But regardless, they can make those kind of changes ASAP, and by the time the 2022 elections roll around, if the changes are unpopular, they'll be mostly forgotten by then, and/or the energising of the Republican base will have died down a bit.

Who's still talking about putting immigrants in cages? Remember the Muslim ban? People have short memories.

Most Supreme Court decisions aren't released until the end of their term, normally late June or early July, so you're giving up half the first year or a quarter the time to mid-terms by waiting to see how things turn out before doing anything.

AbusesToilets · 09-10-2020 05:45PM

Gbear wrote: »

But we don't have 18 years to wait for climate change policy. Women won't have 18 years to wait for abortions.

This is the problem I have generally with Biden. We're well past the point where incremental change is sufficient. He offers a return to "normality", as referenced against years past, but we need more than that now. Bold action is needed to stave off climate catastrophe. Likewise with reform for democratic and justice institutions.

everlast75 · 09-10-2020 05:47PM

AbusesToilets wrote: »

This is the problem I have generally with Biden. We're well past the point where incremental change is sufficient. He offers a return to "normality", as referenced against years past, but we need more than that now. Bold action is needed to stave off climate catastrophe. Likewise with reform for democratic and justice institutions.

I agree - but looking for that now when you are seeking votes from Republicans to get Trump out of the Office isn't going to work.

Normalcy needs to return and then the progressive work can be done when the Dems have the White House

Gbear · 09-10-2020 05:56PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

Most Supreme Court decisions aren't released until the end of their term, normally late June or early July, so you're giving up half the first year or a quarter the time to mid-terms by waiting to see how things turn out before doing anything.

Well an obvious one will be if they try to **** the election.

It might be that they do, or they say they will, and it doesn't matter and Biden still wins, but it would certainly be enough to shift voter perceptions.

Again, I'm not saying they should wait. Just that if there are decisions made one way or the other, it might change the politics of it by the time they can actually do anything about it.

Brussels Sprout · 09-10-2020 06:53PM

Biden up to 85% on the 538 model

09-10-2020 07:47PM

seamus wrote: »

Pelosi knows all this and more. But she also knows that the whole "fit to lead" thing is at the core of Trump's ego, and his support. If the White House is forced out into the public to try and prove he is capable when he's obviously not, it will absolutely crush the administration.

Privately she's probably hoping we'll see a mushroom cloud from Trump and he'll make a complete clown of himself.

Hiding the current state of the President's health is not a new thing, many administrations have done this over the years. Which is why nobody believes Trump's doctor's claim that he's good to go. Pence cancelling his trip tells me that there is absolute panic at the heart of the administration that Trump is not well but is not under control.

Trump/OwnTheLibdsLOL will get 40% of the vote no matter what. It looks like the middle of the road voters have already deserted him and tbh these kinds of stunts smack of being unnecessary.
Even if he blows up there'll still be the 30+% of voters who'll back him no matter what and the remaining few % who'll vote against the Dems in case they have to fill in an extra form to open a business.

duploelabs · 09-10-2020 07:49PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Trump/OwnTheLibdsLOL will get 40% of the vote no matter what. It looks like the middle of the road voters have already deserted him and tbh these kinds of stunts smack of being unnecessary.
Even if he blows up there'll still be the 30+% of voters who'll back him no matter what and the remaining few % who'll vote against the Dems in case they have to fill in an extra form to open a business.

'I'd rather be a Russian than a democrat' springs to mind

everlast75 · 09-10-2020 08:13PM

https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1314635960227958796?s=19

Seriously. Are they even trying to hide it?

Devastating as it may be to HRC's chances in the upcoming 2016 election, here we have the secretary of state openly working to swing the election in Trump's favour.

briany · 09-10-2020 08:21PM

Probably the biggest problem with Biden is that he offers a return just to political normalcy. In the context of Trump and his profoundly un-presidential behaviour these last nearly 4 years in office, a return to normalcy can be seen as a win by a probably majority of American voters, and I cannot really argue that it's not at this point.

However, there has this idea that has been successfully bedded down by Trump and his legions of crazies that Biden represents a horrible shift to the left, which in view of the last few decades of American politics is pretty ridiculous, but it has unfortunately gained legs in mainstream American politics nonetheless, so it appears to me that the Overton Window of the United States has fundamentally shifted to the right where it's Donald Trump on one side and then centrist politics leaning slightly to the right on the other side. It makes me worried that actual progressive liberal policies would be extremely hard to enact without Trumpists busily beavering away to convince middle of the road voters that America is actively lapsing into full blown Communism. Therefore, instead of a Biden win being a platform for America to kick on and join the rest of the developed world in enjoying things like a decent public health system, a Biden win would at best bring America back into a holding pattern as the American hard right regroups.

Even in saying that, I think Biden would be better for the USA right now by a fairly long way, but all he would really represent is a bit of breathing room. If America doesn't use that to move on to better things, they're screwed in the long term, so a lot of soul searching still needed.

Rjd2 · 09-10-2020 09:27PM

Its pretty much done, but if Tump is the supposed strongman he portrays he needs to bully his senators into accepting some sort of stimulus deal for 2 reasons.....

Firstly the most pressing, normal Americans desperately need it, and obviously much less important if the GOP are actually serious about not getting wiped out down ballot they need money into the American hands.

Culture wars and zombie Regan won't save them in November.

https://twitter.com/alaynatreene/status/1314602443980840964

Rjd2 · 09-10-2020 09:31PM

Yashar not ****ing about when it comes to calling out Steve Scally who if not replaced is giving Trump a genuine reason to skip the debate.

https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1314628134055014400

thebestwords · 09-10-2020 09:33PM

Trumps' goose is cooked. I bet money on him in 2016 but wouldn't bet a cent now. I think without Covid he'd probably have gotten reelected but we'll never know.

eire4 · 09-10-2020 09:41PM

AbusesToilets wrote: »

This is the problem I have generally with Biden. We're well past the point where incremental change is sufficient. He offers a return to "normality", as referenced against years past, but we need more than that now. Bold action is needed to stave off climate catastrophe. Likewise with reform for democratic and justice institutions.

Could not agree more with you there.

eire4 · 09-10-2020 09:43PM

briany wrote: »

Probably the biggest problem with Biden is that he offers a return just to political normalcy. In the context of Trump and his profoundly un-presidential behaviour these last nearly 4 years in office, a return to normalcy can be seen as a win by a probably majority of American voters, and I cannot really argue that it's not at this point.

However, there has this idea that has been successfully bedded down by Trump and his legions of crazies that Biden represents a horrible shift to the left, which in view of the last few decades of American politics is pretty ridiculous, but it has unfortunately gained legs in mainstream American politics nonetheless, so it appears to me that the Overton Window of the United States has fundamentally shifted to the right where it's Donald Trump on one side and then centrist politics leaning slightly to the right on the other side. It makes me worried that actual progressive liberal policies would be extremely hard to enact without Trumpists busily beavering away to convince middle of the road voters that America is actively lapsing into full blown Communism. Therefore, instead of a Biden win being a platform for America to kick on and join the rest of the developed world in enjoying things like a decent public health system, a Biden win would at best bring America back into a holding pattern as the American hard right regroups.

Even in saying that, I think Biden would be better for the USA right now by a fairly long way, but all he would really represent is a bit of breathing room. If America doesn't use that to move on to better things, they're screwed in the long term, so a lot of soul searching still needed.

Nail on the proverbial head here. Totally agree with you.

eire4 · 09-10-2020 09:45PM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

"Not Ready" is code for "Found Nothing"

If they'd found something , it would be ready to publish.

No way they sit on something of political value if they had it. Especially with Trump so badly in the hole in polling.

This way they get to continue to insinuate that there is something big coming and that "any day now" indictments and perp-walks of Snr Obama administration officials will be happening.

Another one of their bullsh!t stories is about to come back into the news as well.

Without a doubt. If they even found something which was not really bad but could be twisted and made to look bad they would be doing that even never mind actually finding something legit that was bad.

eire4 · 09-10-2020 09:51PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

I'm likely biased but I don't think both parties are as bad.

There has been a slippery slope but one party has a stated aim of making it more having less people vote and pushing through unpopular policies through minority rule.

The GOP is clearly working off 'once we have the power we will do anything within the rules or change the rules, even if it contradicts what we did last previously'.

As long as that continues to be the GOP position, the Dems would be fighting with both hands tied behind their back unless they take the same view

We all have our biases but I don't think your looking at this all skewed here. You and I disagree vehemently on certain issues. But here we are in agreement. The idea or claim that both parties are as bad here is utterly risible. The Republican party has lurched so far to the right it is scary. They are making an absolute mockery of the justice system in the US be it the supreme court or the utterly corrupt AG and the Justice department. The Democrats are not perfect sure who is but they are nothing compared to the Republicans in all this.

dark crystal · 09-10-2020 10:52PM

https://twitter.com/travisakers/status/1314661471159287808

Chickensh*t.

Graham is a complete mystery to me. I'd love to know what Trump has on him.

It's not the obvious thing, as everyone and their dog knows about his orientation, so it must be something much worse. No way he's sabotaging himself this badly out of pure stupidity - something's definitely being held over him.

Dillonb3 · 09-10-2020 10:57PM

dark crystal wrote: »

https://twitter.com/travisakers/status/1314661471159287808

Chickensh*t.

Graham is a complete mystery to me. I'd love to know what Trump has on him.

It's not the obvious thing, as everyone and their dog knows about his orientation, so it must be something much worse. No way he's sabotaging himself this badly out of pure stupidity - something's definitely being held over him.

Surprised at that; Harrison destroyed him in previous debate and is still out funding him and is level with him in polling

everlast75 · 09-10-2020 11:22PM

https://twitter.com/joshjame/status/1314690677964447753?s=19

Looks like the debate for the 15th is going to be officially cancelled

brooke 2 · 09-10-2020 11:31PM

Brian? wrote: »

I love the fact they've sent Pete out on the attack. He's bullet proof in his popularity at home and free to speak his mind.

I found Pete impressive from the beginning. If things were fair, and the population in the US were not so prejudiced, he should have been the Democratic Party candidate. He is intelligent, articulate, assertive, civil.....and young!! :pac:

Rjd2 · 10-10-2020 12:15AM

everlast75 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/joshjame/status/1314690677964447753?s=19

Looks like the debate for the 15th is going to be officially cancelled

Had to be.

If they weren't going to remove the chap who was hosting it ,,they were giving Trump a golden excuse to defend a bad performance because of bias.

Probably not the worst thing for Trump, I can't imagine he is 100% and last thing he needed was a vigorous debate.

Although obviously he is running out of opportunities to bridge the gap.

Biden won't care, probably would have added another few points to his lead, but its massive anyway and doubtful their would be many undecided voters at this stage.

Itssoeasy · 10-10-2020 12:18AM

Rjd2 wrote: »

Had to be.

If they weren't going to remove the chap who was hosting it ,,they were giving Trump a golden excuse to defend a bad performance because of bias.

Probably not the worst thing for Trump, I can't imagine he is 100% and last thing he needed was a vigorous debate.

Although obviously he is running out of opportunities to bridge the gap.

Biden won't care, probably would have added another few points to his lead, but its massive anyway and doubtful their would be many undecided voters at this stage.

You mean the guy hosting(or moderating) who in 1978 who worked in the brain trust of the Biden senate administration in the mail room is apparently an excuse.

Rjd2 · 10-10-2020 12:35AM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

You mean the guy hosting(or moderating) who in 1978 who worked in the brain trust of the Biden senate administration in the mail room is apparently an excuse.

He's not a bad chap but if you are going to host a debate you have to be above claims of bias and he simply isn't. The tweet to the mooch and then the laughable defense of been hacked which he has used before.

I don't understand why they could not have found someone else anyhow.

https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1314599490309910530

Itssoeasy · 10-10-2020 12:44AM

Rjd2 wrote: »

He's not a bad chap but if you are going to host a debate you have to be above claims of bias and he simply isn't. The tweet to the mooch and then the laughable defense of been hacked which he has used before.

I don't understand why they could not have found someone else anyhow.

https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1314599490309910530

I agree with being above claims of bias but surely that means actual bias. Working in the mail room 42 years ago is not a genuine bias in my opinion because it’s so far removed from now. Well yeah the tweet to the mooch isn’t his best moment and not his first time using the hackers excuse.

Quin_Dub · 10-10-2020 12:50AM

everlast75 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1314635960227958796?s=19

Seriously. Are they even trying to hide it?

Devastating as it may be to HRC's chances in the upcoming 2016 election, here we have the secretary of state openly working to swing the election in Trump's favour.

The Durham report must be a seriously dry hole if they are going back to this carcass to try and find some gristle for the base to gnaw on.

I mean it's pathetically transparent.

Word breaks earlier today that the Durham report isn't going to come out before the Election and literally within hours Pompeo appears having magically found some emails from Hilary to publish???

Rjd2 · 10-10-2020 12:58AM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I agree with being above claims of bias but surely that means actual bias. Working in the mail room 42 years ago is not a genuine bias in my opinion because it’s so far removed from now. Well yeah the tweet to the mooch isn’t his best moment and not his first time using the hackers excuse.

Its relatively minor but he also like most normal Americans has tweeted "nevertrump", its the correct sentiment, but still you can understand why accusations of bias no matter how trivial are somewhat concerning, its also giving Trump an easy excuse where he does the debate and make an arse of himself.

The hacked thing is actually very silly, nobody is hacking someone so high profile to send such a mundane tweet.

It's been a ****show really, Trump obviously the main culprit not doing a virtual debate when it was probably in his benefit

and this small drama.

It's probably best all round it does not happen, an obese hyper old man like Trump doing such a high pressure debate 2 weeks after catching covid is not a good idea, while Biden is so far ahead it won't matter.

And more importantly the general public will be spared.:)

everlast75 · 10-10-2020 06:37AM

Jesus. What a dumpster fire idea to run on

https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1314778982957690880?s=19

Igotadose · 10-10-2020 01:39PM

Found this nifty map on CNN where you could pick your state results.

https://edition.cnn.com/election/2020/electoral-college-interactive-maps

So, I've done that - I'm calling the 'battleground' states in the upper midwest and PA for Biden, and the Southern ones for Trump. AZ for Biden, NV for Biden. Biden wins the EC 291 to 247. MI is delivered by Whitmer (and all the notoriety) to Biden. WI is delivered to Biden by their recent massive Covid outbreak causing them to need emergency hospitals. MN by George Floyd. CO is polling well for Biden.

I trust nothing I read about Texas or Florida, I think they slightly go for Trump at the end of the day, like Ohio. NC and GA are so expert at messing with voting I'm calling them for Trump, wouldn't be shocked if NC went for Biden but it would be close.

So, my challenge is if you're going to drop in here and mumble "Trump's gonna win!" or "Biden's got it bagged", put up your map and explain the 'battleground states'. If you think a non-battleground state is actually in play for either candidate, feel free to point that out, too, I could see Missouri going for Biden with that flat-earther in the state house coming down with Covid and a strong minority contingent in the state.

MadYaker · 10-10-2020 01:58PM

Rjd2 wrote: »

He's not a bad chap but if you are going to host a debate you have to be above claims of bias and he simply isn't. The tweet to the mooch and then the laughable defense of been hacked which he has used before.

So last time the moderator was a guy from Fox News and thats fine but this time around the moderator has to be unbiased?

gmisk · 10-10-2020 02:00PM

everlast75 wrote: »

Jesus. What a dumpster fire idea to run on

https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1314778982957690880?s=19

Christ that is embarrassing, is that really all they can come up with?
I guess they haven't exactly built the wall... laughable

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