CC3 -- Why I believe that a third option is needed for climate change

Nabber wrote: »

https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2018/06/26/thirty-years-later-what-needs-change-our-approach-climate-change/dUhizA5ubUSzJLJVZqv6GP/story.html

He goes on to argue that we should include Next Generation Nuclear technology in the energy mix

Akrasia wrote: »

He goes on to argue that we should include Next Generation Nuclear technology in the energy mix

What's your own opinion on nuclear energy?

Seems like a taboo subject when it comes to Climate change and more notably with our own green party.
Who if memory servers were against Nuclear energy because of the mining involved. Totally ignoring the mining required with wind and solar alternatives.

https://www.rte.ie/brainstorm/2020/0227/1117988-storms-ireland/

I'm actually surprised this got published given the current mantra about "bad" weather of recent years being "unprecedented"

Birdnuts wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/brainstorm/2020/0227/1117988-storms-ireland/

I'm actually surprised this got published given the current mantra about "bad" weather of recent years being "unprecedented"

There is no consensus that AGW causes or will cause more serve weather.
Rather what we see a move towards - it's warmer so now something will happen.
No matter what part of the global, no matter the weather type, no matter the frequency in the past or the past records, that weather disaster will be tied to AGW.

There are number of scientist to blame, but it's predominately the media, who pre 1960s would have us believe that there was never a flood, storm, drought, heat wave, snow storm, tornado or hurricane. Coupled with news on demand from 1000s of sources across the globe with instance access.
If folks take a walk down memory lane, there was a time where news was local/national, only major international events were covered. We didn't have a constant bombardment of global events or 24 news channels, looking for anything and everything to fill up their news segments.

What is not mentioned and often ignored is deaths from weather related disasters has dropped. Considering property development on sea/water fronts, across floodplains and in areas prone to Forrest fires, you'd expect the opposite is likely. The media have considerable amount of people in a frenzy over the dangers that have yet to materialise.


https://ourworldindata.org/natural-disasters


IMO I feel that AGW Theorist are trying to have their cake and eat it.

• Temps below average in a particular area = weather not climate
• Temps above average in a particular area = climate change not weather

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M.T. Cranium wrote: »

In fairness, the deaths from natural disasters are dropping off in large part due to better warning systems.

Agreed. It's also better building materials, building standards/regulations, emergency responses ect....

When the above fail then it's usually catastrophic and attributed to AGW.
I removed Volcanoes and earthquakes from the data above as they are not weather phenomenon.

As the impact of death tolls has reduced, extreme events are in the media at least measured in dollar destruction value. Which has increased.

And it begins

Clifden flooding a stark warning of extremes to come in Ireland - climate expert

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/clifden-flooding-a-stark-warning-of-extremes-to-come-in-ireland-climate-expert-1.4346073

Am I the only one who is getting just a little bit sick and tired of listening to these randomly chosen 'experts' by the press? And I really doubt the Atlantic was 'silky smooth' as an ex tropical storm was passing over it.

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

Well yesterday in the Clifden thread I predicted that Professor Sweeney from Maynooth would be on spouting this ****e. Seems I was wrong, it was his colleague. :cool:

Sloppy. Do better next time.

M.T. Cranium wrote: »

That recent flood really seemed to me like one part weather, two parts land management.

As you know I've taken an exhaustive look at Toronto's weather records, and there's a new record situation waiting to happen for sure, somehow in 181 years of data, the downtown station has never had more than 100 mm of rain in a calendar day or 150 mm in two consecutive days, while around the region (of south central Ontario) lots of stations with shorter periods have managed to record 150 mm in one calendar day and 200 in two consecutive. It's only a matter of time until the right situation delivers at the downtown location and then of course it will be open season for "experts" to proclaim a major shift in climate.

My overall impression is that extreme rainfall events are either steady state or in a slight decline over time since the 19th century. This seems to be the case in most climate regions. There's no particular reason why a slight warming trend would increase rainfalls in any given location, given the complexity of precipitation forcing.

In the past 100 years with the rapid increase in the world population, more and more people are forced to live in vulnereable zones like Deltas and steep hillsides - worse this tends to destroy the buffering of natural vegetation that help mitigate storm surges, heavy rainfall and the likes in such areas eg Hurricane Katrina was so destructive due to the mass drainage/destruction of the Mississipee Delta over the last 150 years.

M.T. Cranium wrote: »

That recent flood really seemed to me like one part weather, two parts land management.

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The RTE report from Clifden detailed the locations of the flooding from the sudden rise of the Owenglen River.

Low road
Riverside
Clifden Glen Estate

All located beside the river. The report also detailed that water levels in the river were subject to tidal fluctuations. Given known 50 / 100 flood cycles chances it was likley to happen sooner or later.

Oneiric 3 wrote: »

'Vote, as early as you can, for a habitable planet'.

https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/1304058432656494594

These aren’t anything to do with climate change, it’s all arsonists and it’s perfectly normal cause these fires happened all the time before there were any records or evidence to back up this claim

Nothing to see here, the sun is dead, Mini ice age here we come

Akrasia wrote: »

Fires start every year, it’s the fact that it’s so hot and dry that helps them so spread to fast

And what has that got to do with humans, apart from the starting them bit?

Akrasia wrote: »

The anthropogenic climate change bit

I think you need to read up on the climate of California.

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

Wow, has this dry spell already been attributed to GHG? That's quick. It's almost as if they have a reply ready to release for every event nowadays, as it happens.

It couldn't be linked to the neutral ENSO and the persistant negative PDO this year, of course...

So you have evidence that these unprecedented fires are linked to a neutral ENSO?
Are you taking the piss?

Akrasia wrote: »

If it’s so normal you should be able to find loads of pictures from years ago where San Francisco looks like mars

You mean before people had iphones:rolleyes: