Cycling on paths and other cycling issues (updated title)

TaurenDruid · 03-09-2020 06:31PM

Duckjob wrote: »

The comments on people being forced onto a bike are gas considering for the past 50 years people in Ireland have been forced into a car as the only means (PT excepted) of getting safely around from A to B without risking their lives.

Yeah. Apart from the DART, the suburban light rail, the intercity trains, the LUAS, the Dublin Bus, the Bus Éireann, and the private bus operators - what did the Romans ever do for us?

07Lapierre · 03-09-2020 06:35PM

TaurenDruid wrote: »

Yeah. Apart from the DART, the suburban light rail, the intercity trains, the LUAS, the Dublin Bus, the Bus reann, and the private bus operators - what did the Romans ever do for us?

Viaducts, don’t forget the viaducts.

TaurenDruid · 03-09-2020 06:38PM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Were people forced onto the Luas when we built the Luas?

Meanwhile, courtesy of the best drivers in the world who don't need any more pesky regulations
https://twitter.com/GardaTraffic/status/1301452996249780224?s=19

Is this the bit in the cycle where I go "That's one motorist breaking the law - #notallmotorists!" and then someone posts something about a cyclist doing something stupid and/or illegal, and you go "You can't equate all of us cycling through red lights to that guy doing something really stupid #notallcyclists look at my link from a Kerry blog from 6 years ago that selectively quotes from an even older study!"?

Cos I get confused sometimes.

kenmm · 03-09-2020 06:39PM

07Lapierre wrote: »

Viaducts, don’t forget the viaducts.

Bloody viaducts. With all their arches. They don't even pay arch tax.

07Lapierre · 03-09-2020 06:47PM

magicbastarder wrote: »

isn't the hovercraft the safest form of transport yet invented?

and aren't cars one of the least efficient forms of transport ever invented?

Petrol/Diesle IC engines are only 20% (could be less) efficient. EV’s on the other hand are over 80% efficient. Mind you A bicycle is over 90%

AndrewJRenko · 03-09-2020 07:25PM

Tea drinker wrote: »

Maybe? I'm not convinced they have the same exposure as cyclists and vehicular traffic. I've said before all road users should be forced into a classroom to do a few hours course every 5 years, on learning the road with other users perspective, and that includes pedestrians. But then I was laughed at because boardsies. Nevermind saving lives or from an economic perspective huge lost revenue due to early death of a person.

Certainly a lot more pedestrians killed each year than cyclists - how are you measuring exposure?

TaurenDruid wrote: »

Is this the bit in the cycle where I go "That's one motorist breaking the law - #notallmotorists!" and then someone posts something about a cyclist doing something stupid and/or illegal, and you go "You can't equate all of us cycling through red lights to that guy doing something really stupid #notallcyclists look at my link from a Kerry blog from 6 years ago that selectively quotes from an even older study!"?

Cos I get confused sometimes.

No-one said it was all motorists. The RSA Speed Survey only shows 98% of motorists breaking urban speed limits, so there are 2% of decent ones out there somewhere.

[Cue X-Files music....]

07Lapierre wrote: »

Petrol/Diesle IC engines are only 20% (could be less) efficient. EV’s on the other hand are over 80% efficient. Mind you A bicycle is over 90%

Are EVs really 80% efficient? A tonne of metal to move 100kgs of flesh seems fairly inefficient.

Tea drinker · 03-09-2020 07:35PM

07Lapierre wrote: »

Petrol/Diesle IC engines are only 20% (could be less) efficient. EV’s on the other hand are over 80% efficient. Mind you A bicycle is over 90%

EV are 80% efficient at using the electric power that was produced at "X" ?efficiency. Public transport is also quite efficient if you like guys waving their d1ck at your wife. For me the car (or bike) is beucoup efficient at getting you from A - B in a timely manner.

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Certainly a lot more pedestrians killed each year than cyclists - how are you measuring exposure?

Fair point, am thinking more the urban setting with footpaths, I seem to notice rural dwellers dying on poorly lit roads with no footpath

07Lapierre · 03-09-2020 07:35PM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Are EVs really 80% efficient? A tonne of metal to move 100kgs of flesh seems fairly inefficient.

Less than 20% of the heat energy generated by a petrol/Diesel engine is converted into forward movement of the car. Whereas an electric motor converts over 80% of the electrical energy into forward movement.

But having said that, any car, regardless of its power source is a very inefficient way of moving people around.

07Lapierre · 03-09-2020 07:39PM

Tea drinker wrote: »

EV are 80% efficient at using the electric power that was produced at "X" ?efficiency. Public transport is also quite efficient if you like guys waving their d1ck at your wife. For me the car (or bike) is beucoup efficient at getting you from A - B in a timely manner.

A timely manner? Ah so the goalposts are movable?
If you lived in The centre of Tokyo or maybe Manhatton in New York, a bicycle would be a much more efficient mode of transport for getting you to your destination "in a timely manner" no?

kenmm · 03-09-2020 07:48PM

07Lapierre wrote: »

A timely manner? Ah so the goalposts are movable?
If you lived in The centre of Tokyo or maybe Manhatton in New York, a bicycle would be a much more efficient mode of transport for getting you to your destination "in a timely manner" no?

I'm pretty sure that if you pick any two points within the m50 that involve inner city Dublin at any point (i.e. not Rathfarnham to Sandyford), I can beat the commute on a bike.

And that's with my extra COVID belly (but not using any paths)!

Driving in Dublin just sucks. You need to be using all the tricks to get ahead (stealing those 20m of lane before they turn into bus lane, keeping an eye on changing light sequence and overtaking drivers with their heads stuck finishing the text message they started on the red light and whatever other sneaky rat runs etc).

magicbastarder · 03-09-2020 07:50PM

07Lapierre wrote: »

But having said that, any car, regardless of its power source is a very inefficient way of moving people around.

this. a nissan leaf has a kerb weight of 1.5 tons. so if transporting say, two people around, you're using a one and a half ton vehicle to move maybe 150kg of people. so maybe 10% efficient before you take drivetrain efficiency into account.

magicbastarder · 03-09-2020 07:51PM

Tea drinker wrote: »

Public transport is also quite efficient if you like guys waving their d1ck at your wife. For me the car (or bike) is beucoup efficient at getting you from A - B in a timely manner.

public transport is efficient, but a car wins for flexibility.

magicbastarder · 03-09-2020 07:56PM

kenmm wrote: »

I'm pretty sure that if you pick any two points within the m50 that involve inner city Dublin at any point (i.e. not Rathfarnham to Sandyford), I can beat the commute on a bike.

during the summer two years ago - which meant light traffic, especially because i left the house before 7am, i ended up swapping places with a car from east wall road to leopardstown racecourse. 13km or thereabouts.

and that was in very light traffic, probably about as fast as that motorist could expect a commute to be, unless they'd done it at 3am.

i know it was the same car because it was an audi with a custom paintjob, which if it hadn't been called 'turd brown', would have been guilty of fraud under the trade descriptions act.

Tea drinker · 03-09-2020 09:30PM

07Lapierre wrote: »

A timely manner? Ah so the goalposts are movable?
If you lived in The centre of Tokyo or maybe Manhatton in New York, a bicycle would be a much more efficient mode of transport for getting you to your destination "in a timely manner" no?

like you said, no

AndrewJRenko · 03-09-2020 09:34PM

Tea drinker wrote: »

Public transport is also quite efficient if you like guys waving their d1ck at your wife.

This really doesn't happen, or if it does, it is a very rare event. It's just as likely to happen in the park or at the beach or outside your local at closing time as on the bus.

TaurenDruid · 03-09-2020 09:36PM

magicbastarder wrote: »

this. a nissan leaf has a kerb weight of 1.5 tons. so if transporting say, two people around, you're using a one and a half ton vehicle to move maybe 150kg of people. so maybe 10% efficient before you take drivetrain efficiency into account.

It's amazing how magicbastard's "people" are 75kg (80kg including bike in a recent post?) and a car is 1.5 tonnes, while Andy's "people" are 100kg, and his cars are 2.5 tonne, what was it, "death machines".

magicbastarder · 03-09-2020 09:39PM

AJR is not aware of the existence of children i think.

Tea drinker · 03-09-2020 09:42PM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

This really doesn't happen, or if it does, it is a very rare event. It's just as likely to happen in the park or at the beach or outside your local at closing time as on the bus.

Well wifey rarely uses the LUAS, so it must have been cataclysmic bad timing she happened to be there that time? Middle of the day BTW. Maybe she imagined it or I'm lying again :-)
TBH Andrew just because it doesn't happen to you doesn't mean it doesn't happen, and this is so typical boards response.

Pinch Flat · 03-09-2020 09:44PM

TaurenDruid wrote: »

It's amazing how magicbastard's "people" are 75kg (80kg including bike in a recent post?) and a car is 1.5 tonnes, while Andy's "people" are 100kg, and his cars are 2.5 tonne, what was it, "death machines".

Whoever knew. Cyclists come in all shapes and sizes. I'm of the 100kg variety, if this helps.

magicbastarder · 03-09-2020 09:47PM

magicbastard?
pshaw. i should be insulted.

Idleater · 03-09-2020 09:49PM

magicbastarder wrote: »

magicbastard?
pshaw. i should be insulted.

Take your 5kg bike and autocrocodile

magicbastarder · 03-09-2020 10:01PM

i'm impressed even with 'magicbastard' as an autocortex, tbf.

AndrewJRenko · 03-09-2020 10:03PM

Tea drinker wrote: »

Well wifey rarely uses the LUAS, so it must have been cataclysmic bad timing she happened to be there that time? Middle of the day BTW. Maybe she imagined it or I'm lying again :-)
TBH Andrew just because it doesn't happen to you doesn't mean it doesn't happen, and this is so typical boards response.

It's not that it didn't happen to me. It's that it didn't get reported in the press, who would just love a story like this. Did she report it to anyone at the time or after?

TaurenDruid wrote: »

It's amazing how magicbastard's "people" are 75kg (80kg including bike in a recent post?) and a car is 1.5 tonnes, while Andy's "people" are 100kg, and his cars are 2.5 tonne, what was it, "death machines".

It's not really that amazing that people come in different shapes and sizes.

And no, it seems to be almost exclusively your good self that has been using the term 'death machines'.

breezy1985 · 04-09-2020 10:19AM

Tea drinker wrote: »

Well wifey rarely uses the LUAS, so it must have been cataclysmic bad timing she happened to be there that time? Middle of the day BTW. Maybe she imagined it or I'm lying again :-)
TBH Andrew just because it doesn't happen to you doesn't mean it doesn't happen, and this is so typical boards response.

Dont worry its completely normal to see something happen once and assume its a constant occurrence

devnull · 05-09-2020 09:17PM

Rightio, this thread is not being reopened.

The amount of reports I have got in relation to this thread in the last few days has been quite large and there are various amounts of things going on here which are simply not acceptable and a lot of the posting is off-topic as well.

There certainly has been a downward spiral in the quality of posting on this thread and other threads in the C+T forums over the past number of weeks and this has to stop immediately and without further delay.

Over the past number of months we have tried to avoid moderating discussion as much as previously, because we felt that is what the community wanted. However it appears that some posters here are now abusing this and are now pushing their luck and as such perhaps we need to review our recent approach.

Ultimately the ball is in your court. Raise your standard of posting, or we'll have a crackdown where the cards and bans will come out much quicker.

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Cycling on paths and other cycling issues (updated title)

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