US Presidential Election 2020

Headshot · 30-08-2020 12:26AM

Water John wrote: »

The US will hit 6M covid cases tomorrow. That's what will dominate the news and the lives of people. Not those shouting at the RNC.

If I was Biden i would release a video of this horrible moment in USA history tomorrow outlining how many cases and more than 182k deaths

Lay it at Trumps feet

30-08-2020 12:55AM

hotmail.com wrote: »

I didn't see much difference in the Democrat one.

Sure they're both the same.

everlast75 · 30-08-2020 08:53AM

The man is abhorrent. Its all about draining the office for as much money while he can.

Here's an insight into what "being president" is all about.

https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1299795007923261442?s=09

Can't wait for someone to come along and say "ah sure Joe would do the exact same"

It's a grift, a shakedown. Always had been...

StringerBell · 30-08-2020 09:35AM

Pro trump demonstrator killed last night in Portland. The media hasn't followed Portland as closely the last couple of weeks but are sure to be back in the spotlight again now. The far right had been showing up and counter protesting so something was inevitable to blow up, it's ironic that all these things Trump is trying to scare people about in Bidens American are happening daily in Trump's America, just incredible.

I don't condone the killing, from what I read so far there was shots fired during a clash as a caravan of trump protestors traveled through a demonstration. The country cannot take another 4 years of this division and hate.

duploelabs · 30-08-2020 10:09AM

StringerBell wrote: »

Pro trump demonstrator killed last night in Portland. The media hasn't followed Portland as closely the last couple of weeks but are sure to be back in the spotlight again now. The far right had been showing up and counter protesting so something was inevitable to blow up, it's ironic that all these things Trump is trying to scare people about in Bidens American are happening daily in Trump's America, just incredible.

I don't condone the killing, from what I read so far there was shots fired during a clash as a caravan of trump protestors traveled through a demonstration. The country cannot take another 4 years of this division and hate.

I was talking to my mate earlier this morning who lives a couple of blocks away from where it happened. Organised pro-trump cavalcade, driving through town, Pepper spraying and paint balling anyone that came near them. She's now making plans to move here as she can't take the racial abuse she gets on a daily basis, from the patients that she's treating, who believe that she (who is second generation American Korean) brought the virus over herself.

Water John · 30-08-2020 12:13PM

It seems Milwuakee is the most segregated city in the US. that gives you a, them and us.
Yes, the Dems need to focus on Covid and health.

manual_man · 30-08-2020 01:12PM

StringerBell wrote: »

Pro trump demonstrator killed last night in Portland. The media hasn't followed Portland as closely the last couple of weeks but are sure to be back in the spotlight again now. The far right had been showing up and counter protesting so something was inevitable to blow up, it's ironic that all these things Trump is trying to scare people about in Bidens American are happening daily in Trump's America, just incredible.

I don't condone the killing, from what I read so far there was shots fired during a clash as a caravan of trump protestors traveled through a demonstration. The country cannot take another 4 years of this division and hate.

So unbelievably out of touch. Antifa groups have been given free reign for 3 years by Democrat Mayor Ted Wheeler to cause havoc in Portland. The last 3 months there have been an absolute joke. Wheeler (and other elected officials) have helped facilitate it all. The theme is common of course: the areas with the most unrest are Democrat run with weak mayors who are afraid to confront the mob. When local leadership abandons the citizens, a point is reached where citizens feel they have no choice but to take matters into their own hands. This is what happened in Portland yesterday. Entirely predictable. But also entirely avoidable. Democrat mayors have enabled the mayhem and declined repeated offers of federal assistance from Trump. Decent law abiding citizens have looked on in horror as mobs have intimidated, harassed, beaten, looted, destroyed and burned. And then the ever cognitively dissonant will try to blame Trump. Ostrich parasitic syndrome. Deny what's before your very own eyes.

Fiery mutant · 30-08-2020 01:17PM

manual_man wrote: »

So unbelievably out of touch. Antifa groups have been given free reign for 3 years by Democrat Mayor Ted Wheeler to cause havoc in Portland. The last 3 months there have been an absolute joke. Wheeler (and other elected officials) have helped facilitate it all. The theme is common of course: the areas with the most unrest are Democrat run with weak mayors who are afraid to confront the mob. When local leadership abandons the citizens, a point is reached where citizens feel they have no choice but to take matters into their own hands. This is what happened in Portland yesterday. Entirely predictable. But also entirely avoidable. Democrat mayors have enabled the mayhem and declined repeated offers of federal assistance from Trump. Decent law abiding citizens have looked on in horror as mobs have intimidated, harassed, beaten, looted, destroyed and burned. And then the ever cognitively dissonant will try to blame Trump. Ostrich parasitic syndrome. Deny what's before your very own eyes.

The irony of a Trump supporter coming out with this.

namloc1980 · 30-08-2020 01:32PM

manual_man wrote: »

When local leadership abandons the citizens, a point is reached where citizens feel they have no choice but to take matters into their own hands. This is what happened in Portland yesterday.

So predictable to see Trumpists parroting Tucker Carlson. Not an original thought in their heads, just endlessly repeating Fox News talking points. Meanwhile Trumpists are trying to kill protesters in Portland by running them over as police watch on (note the green man on the crosswalk lights).

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manual_man · 30-08-2020 01:38PM

Trying to accost people in their vehicles has been a common theme of these unhinged lunatics. Regularly instigating conflict and then trying to play victim if they get hurt. Pathetic.

namloc1980 · 30-08-2020 01:43PM

manual_man wrote: »

Trying to accost people in their vehicles has been a common theme of these unhinged lunatics. Regularly instigating conflict and then trying to play victim if they get hurt. Pathetic.

Can you show evidence of them being accosted "in their vehicles"? What I can see are trucks ramming through people on a street where the pedestrian light is GREEN. Embarrassing for you to pretend you can't see that. Does Trump mean that much to you that your rather deny reality than accept it? I expect you to reply with another mindless repetition of a Fox News talking point.

manual_man · 30-08-2020 01:48PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

Can you show evidence of them being accosted "in their vehicles"? What I can see are trucks ramming through people on a street where the pedestrian light is GREEN. Embarrassing for you to pretend you can't see that. Does Trump mean that much to you that your rather deny reality than accept it? I expect you to reply with another mindless repetition of a Fox News talking point.

We're looking at the same video. One of the vehicles was accosted by a number of people BEFORE the pedestrian crossing was reached. No person in their right mind is stopping in that situation.

duploelabs · 30-08-2020 01:50PM

manual_man wrote: »

We're looking at the same video. One of the vehicles was accosted by a number of people BEFORE the pedestrian crossing was reached. No person in their right mind is stopping in that situation.

I'd take my own eyewitness account from my friend who lives two blocks away, your interpretation of that video is grossly misinformed

namloc1980 · 30-08-2020 01:51PM

manual_man wrote: »

We're looking at the same video. One of the vehicles was accosted by a number of people BEFORE the pedestrian crossing was reached. No person in their right mind is stopping in that situation.

The vehicles were clearly driving through the intersection having broken a red light spraying mace and shooting paintball rounds. Try again, if you need help click here: www.foxnews.com

crossman47 · 30-08-2020 01:51PM

I fervently hope Trump doesn't win. He is a fool and is dangerous but I fear the current riots are going to help him. Moderates who were leaning to Dems will switch if they feel threatened.

namloc1980 · 30-08-2020 01:53PM

crossman47 wrote: »

I fervently hope Trump doesn't win. He is a fool and is dangerous but I fear the current riots are going to help him. Moderates who were leaning to Dems will switch if they feel threatened.

But this is happening under Trump!! Switching to Trump is essentially saying: yes I want 4 more years of this.

manual_man · 30-08-2020 02:08PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

But this is happening under Trump!! Switching to Trump is essentially saying: yes I want 4 more years of this.

It's happening in Democrat controlled areas where elected officials are refusing to enforce the law and are instead giving free reign to (mostly) far left agitators to cause destruction. I know personal responsibility is a concept many struggle to understand. Easier just to blame everything on Trump, right? The restoration of order is dependant not only on Trump being re-elected, but equally as important are mayorships and governorships and other important positions on a local level. Democrats have facilitated the mayhem. So it's up to the citizenry to vote them out.

duploelabs · 30-08-2020 02:10PM

manual_man wrote: »

It's happening in Democrat controlled areas where elected officials are refusing to enforce the law and are instead giving free reign to (mostly) far left agitators to cause destruction. I know personal responsibility is a concept many struggle to understand. Easier just to blame everything on Trump, right? The restoration of order is dependant not only on Trump being re-elected, but equally as important are mayorships and governorships and other important positions on a local level. Democrats have facilitated the mayhem. So it's up to the citizenry to vote them out.

The right to protest is constitutionally secure, the Democratic officials are allowing their citizens to exercise their constitutional rights

Water John · 30-08-2020 02:12PM

So, any protesting is owned by the local Mayors and Governers, but Law and Order is owned by Trump. That sounds very like the Covid 19 being the responsibility of Governers not Trump.

manual_man · 30-08-2020 02:14PM

duploelabs wrote: »

The right to protest is constitutionally secure, the Democratic officials are allowing their citizens to exercise their constitutional rights

One should never conflate peaceful protest with rioting, looting, arson, intimidation, assault, destruction of property. I support peaceful protesting 100%. The rest? 0%. And there has been far too much of the rest.

duploelabs · 30-08-2020 02:16PM

Water John wrote: »

So, any protesting is owned by the local Mayors and Governers, but Law and Order is owned by Trump. That sounds very like the Covid 19 being the responsibility of Governers not Trump.

Like Trump always says, it's someone else's problem. Unless it's a win, then of course he'll take credit for it

duploelabs · 30-08-2020 02:17PM

manual_man wrote: »

One should never conflate peaceful protest with rioting, looting, arson, intimidation, assault, destruction of property. I support peaceful protesting 100%. The rest? 0%. And there has been far too much of the rest.

Yet you already have conflated the two

namloc1980 · 30-08-2020 02:19PM

manual_man wrote: »

It's happening in Democrat controlled areas where elected officials are refusing to enforce the law and are instead giving free reign to (mostly) far left agitators to cause destruction. I know personal responsibility is a concept many struggle to understand. Easier just to blame everything on Trump, right? The restoration of order is dependant not only on Trump being re-elected, but equally as important are mayorships and governorships and other important positions on a local level. Democrats have facilitated the mayhem. So it's up to the citizenry to vote them out.

And there we have it another Fox News talking point like clockwork. So basically the narrative is, this is nothing to do with Trump. So by that logic it doesn't really matter who is president. Surely the same thing would happen under Biden as it is actually happening under Trump. Which is weird because at the RNC the republicans were constantly banging on that only Trump could fix things and it would get worse under Biden.

So which is it? This is nothing to do with Trump and it's all the fault of local Dems or Trump is the man to fix it (which is demonstrably false as he's been unable to do so to date).

Carfacemandog · 30-08-2020 02:22PM

manual_man wrote: »

One should never conflate peaceful protest with rioting, looting, arson, intimidation, assault, destruction of property. I support peaceful protesting 100%. The rest? 0%. And there has been far too much of the rest.

Unfortunately Trump nor many of his supporters seem to agree and also reject peaceful protest, as seen in their responses to Colin Kaepernick and NBA protests, as well as their refusal to condemn their president for gassing peaceful protesters and the clergy for a photo op a few weeks ago. An incident I assume you will agree was completely disgusting to see from a president.

briany · 30-08-2020 02:32PM

Most people commenting on a protest are not actually at the protest but viewing it through a lens and that lens can control how they see it. If you're looking at it through a news channel or Twitter bubble, you'll probably get a bias. Generally, people doing violence is more dramatic and therefore more interesting as it triggers the human 'danger' response. So, generally, even if those doing violence are only a small proportion of the overall protestors, they'll be represented as significantly larger.

That said, it cannot be said that in history there's been no such thing as a violent protest which was legitimate or necessary, or at least generally agreed to be so. Violent uprisings are often a part of a nation's story and a celebrated event even though they contain the things which also invite criticism in modern times like breach of peace, loss of life, injury, destruction of property etc. So a protest movement, in my view, cannot be instantly delegitimised by violent actors but instead it needs to be explained why their reasons for violence are illegitimate, or cynical and what effective peaceful alternatives exist to salve their stated grievances and which they have not yet exhausted.

manual_man · 30-08-2020 02:34PM

Water John wrote: »

So, any protesting is owned by the local Mayors and Governers, but Law and Order is owned by Trump. That sounds very like the Covid 19 being the responsibility of Governers not Trump.

Nope. Law and Order is primarily owned by Mayors. In a case where they're overwhelmed, they can (and should) call on federal help. As for pandemic preparedness, yes that does primarily lie at the State level. The CDC and other government groups can advise. But it's up to State leadership to take actual steps. States rights = States responsibilities. Some States were better prepared than others - though most were ill prepared. Then again most countries (ours included) were equally ill prepared! The most (disastrously) consequential decisions made in The States were the executive orders (carried out exclusively by Democrat governors) which mandated infected patients back into nursing homes. It amounts to senicide, and it's right that the Department of Justice has begun to look into it.

crossman47 · 30-08-2020 02:38PM

duploelabs wrote: »

The right to protest is constitutionally secure, the Democratic officials are allowing their citizens to exercise their constitutional rights

They are but it could be at Biden's expense. Trump will play the law and order card and will get some swing voters as a result. They are looking at words, not actions.

manual_man · 30-08-2020 02:52PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

And there we have it another Fox News talking point like clockwork. So basically the narrative is, this is nothing to do with Trump. So by that logic it doesn't really matter who is president. Surely the same thing would happen under Biden as it is actually happening under Trump. Which is weird because at the RNC the republicans were constantly banging on that only Trump could fix things and it would get worse under Biden.

So which is it? This is nothing to do with Trump and it's all the fault of local Dems or Trump is the man to fix it (which is demonstrably false as he's been unable to do so to date).

You're being deliberately disingenuous. The mayhem is occuring in Democrat run States, almost exclusively at the hands of far left agitators. It is local leadership's responsibility to control it. And if they can't, then to request federal assistance (which Trump has offered from the start). So, like I said, it is crucially important to also elect mayors and other local officials who are willing to maintain law and order (including accepting federal assistance if necessary). Each person rioting, assaulting, burning, destroying - is responsible for their own actions (a message that has sorely been lacking among Democrat leadership). Why on earth would anyone want to elect a person for president who's party has effectively enabled all the chaos and destruction? What's the message? Vote for us and we'll remove our street thugs? Doesn't sound like a sound election strategy to me. The Republican Party, while far from perfect, at least seems willing to confront the violent anarchists and scumbags wreaking havoc across the nation.

TomOnBoard · 30-08-2020 04:03PM

Very hard to try and have reasonable discussion in here when Tucker Carlson invective is being spouted like snuff at a wake...

There's a narrow and very racist white nationalist spin being put on events by one poster that's better ignored than dignified by responding to it.

MadYaker · 30-08-2020 06:53PM

TomOnBoard wrote: »

Very hard to try and have reasonable discussion in here when Tucker Carlson invective is being spouted like snuff at a wake...

There's a narrow and very racist white nationalist spin being put on events by one poster that's better ignored than dignified by responding to it.

I don't reply when I see that stuff being trotted out. We need original ideas here, I don't read stuff anywhere else and then post it here I post my own opinions.

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