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Celtic FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2024/25

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  • #152
    Francie Barrett
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    The last time Celtic failed to pass the 2nd round qualifying round of the Champions League was 15 years ago against Artmedia Bratislava. Strachan walked after that, will Lennon do the same?


  • #153
    caddy16
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    RoryMac wrote: »
    That was an absolute embarrassment, no excuses for losing to a team as poor as them. Lennon can be an idiot sometimes as shown tonight and last week with his team selections. So sick of us f*cking up CL qualification every year
    And they were very poor, no excuse.


  • #154
    RoryMac
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    Francie Barrett wrote: »
    The last time Celtic failed to pass the 2nd round qualifying round of the Champions League was 15 years ago against Artmedia Bratislava. Strachan walked after that, will Lennon do the same?

    Strachan didn't walk after Artmedia they were his first 2 games


  • #155
    PauloMN
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    Not surprised tbh. We're not a CL side, and haven't been for years. Not that bothered, neither with the Europa League. Bigger fish to fry this season and much more important work to do domestically to get our season going.


  • #156
    RoryMac
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    caddy16 wrote: »
    And they were very poor, no excuse.

    Yeah they didn't need to be good, we sat in front of them passing from side to side, a few crosses into the box where we had no striker and massive holes in defence when they came forward.

    What has happened to Julien? In the games so far this season he looks like someone who won a raffle to play for us


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  • #157
    rockatansky
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    PauloMN wrote: »
    Not surprised tbh. We're not a CL side, and haven't been for years. Not that bothered, neither with the Europa League. Bigger fish to fry this season and much more important work to do domestically to get our season going.

    I agree with you, but do you not find it extremely frustrating this playing players out of position nonsense?

    Most thought the worst when we saw the team selection. And rightly so unfortunately


  • #158
    RoryMac
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    PauloMN wrote: »
    Not surprised tbh. We're not a CL side, and haven't been for years. Not that bothered, neither with the Europa League. Bigger fish to fry this season and much more important work to do domestically to get our season going.

    I'm with you on the not surprised part because it happens every year but there's no excuse for losing a game like that tonight, they were shocking and we should be beating them easily enough.

    I get that Europe isn't a priority this year but results like this make it a lot harder for us to attract players and more importantly hold onto the good players we have.

    I'd imagine if someone makes a decent offer for Edouard now we'll have to consider it because of the loss in revenue and that Edouard will want to test himself at a higher level


  • #159
    PauloMN
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    RoryMac wrote: »
    I'm with you on the not surprised part because it happens every year but there's no excuse for losing a game like that tonight, they were shocking and we should be beating them easily enough.

    I get that Europe isn't a priority this year but results like this make it a lot harder for us to attract players and more importantly hold onto the good players we have.

    I'd imagine if someone makes a decent offer for Edouard now we'll have to consider it because of the loss in revenue and that Edouard will want to test himself at a higher level

    Oh I totally agree, thought at 1-1 Celtic were in complete control but I've seen it all before. Lennon doesn't seem to know what to do in European games.

    Anyway no doubt we'll make a mess of EL qualification as well. I have zero expectations on that front.

    Agree on Edouard, that's the biggest risk now.


  • #160
    A Dub in Glasgo
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  • #161
    caddy16
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    PauloMN wrote: »
    Not surprised tbh. We're not a CL side, and haven't been for years. Not that bothered, neither with the Europa League. Bigger fish to fry this season and much more important work to do domestically to get our season going.
    No interest in Europa either but tonight will have an impact on our squad make up come the closure of the transfer window.


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  • #162
    RoryMac
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    Well thats Messi not signing anyway:(


  • #163
    RoryMac
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    PauloMN wrote: »
    Oh I totally agree, thought at 1-1 Celtic were in complete control but I've seen it all before. Lennon doesn't seem to know what to do in European games.

    Anyway no doubt we'll make a mess of EL qualification as well. I have zero expectations on that front.

    Agree on Edouard, that's the biggest risk now.

    I wouldn't blame Edouard if he looks to move, we're not improving as a team. The more games we play the more I see areas that need to be improved, Forrest has been in cruise control for a long time and LB is still a major issue. Brown needs to be phased out and I'm not convinced Ntcham or McGregor are up to taking over. Ajer supposed to be looking to leave and Julien looking way off his best. Why the f*ck was Frimpong left out tonight?!?

    Every team in the SPL will look at tonight and see an easy way to play against us, we lack any kind of creativity to unlock defences


  • #164
    A Dub in Glasgo
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    That drove me to drink on a midweek night!


  • #165
    RoryMac
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    A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »
    That drove me to drink on a midweek night!

    yeah same here, won't be having many drinks on Tues or Wed nights this season now so make the most of it!


  • #166
    rockatansky
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    Looks like we have bigger problems based on Lennons BBC Sports sound interview. Some of the players don't want to be at the club and should just leave.


  • #167
    PauloMN
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    rockatansky wrote: »
    Looks like we have bigger problems based on Lennons BBC Sports sound interview. Some of the players don't want to be at the club and should just leave.

    What was said?


  • #168
    RoryMac
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    rockatansky wrote: »
    Looks like we have bigger problems based on Lennons BBC Sports sound interview. Some of the players don't want to be at the club and should just leave.

    Looks like he's taken a leaf out of Stevie G's book and trying to throw the players under the bus to take the spotlight off him


  • #169
    RoryMac
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    PauloMN wrote: »
    What was said?

    Apparently a bit of a rant saying some of the players don't want to be there and aren't putting the effort in during training and games. And that they think they're much better than they are.

    Also was a bit crypt talking about Édouard saying he didn't know how his injury was but doubted he'd play at the weekend which doesn't sound promising


  • #170
    piplip87
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    You can't start a game at home against a team you should be hammering with no striker and two on the bench. Questions have to be asked of management and of course the players. Many looked like they weren't bothered.

    I see the links to Duffy come all week and not playing CL could damage the chances although a EL campaign and a title challenge is better than relegation


  • #171
    PauloMN
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    Was he talking about someone who played tonight? If so, he's made an even bigger bags of this than I thought.

    Frimpong and a striker should have been on from the start.

    Expect we'll be hearing Edouard news soon. Wonder is he really injured. If he goes, our chances of another league title will rest solely on how the others handle the pressure.


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  • #172
    Cal4567
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    I must admit to be really enjoying Scottish football again over the last 2/3 years on Sky. Being recently retired I now have a lot more time on my hands. The League is getting more and more competitive and while I think it is still largely Celtic or Rangers, neither are unbeatable. That though is the level, a home league on a par with the English Championship/League 1, that's the standard from my eyes. Is there any solution or are fans generally happy with this, year on year, a few trips abroad before the inevitable departure from Europe.

    Genuine question, or am I being to hard? Thanks.


  • #173
    caddy16
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    PauloMN wrote: »
    Was he talking about someone who played tonight? If so, he's made an even bigger bags of this than I thought.

    Frimpong and a striker should have been on from the start.

    Expect we'll be hearing Edouard news soon. Wonder is he really injured. If he goes, our chances of another league title will rest solely on how the others handle the pressure.

    His comments are more of a poor reflection on him. Presumably he's talking about 3 players. Eddy, Ajer & Ntcham. The latter 2 could have been left out last night without weakening the team - Bitton for Ajer and one of the two strikers for Ntcham.
    He's deflecting attention from himself, pure & simple.


  • #174
    RoryMac
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    Cal4567 wrote: »
    I must admit to be really enjoying Scottish football again over the last 2/3 years on Sky. Being recently retired I now have a lot more time on my hands. The League is getting more and more competitive and while I think it is still largely Celtic or Rangers, neither are unbeatable. That though is the level, a home league on a par with the English Championship/League 1, that's the standard from my eyes. Is there any solution or are fans generally happy with this, year on year, a few trips abroad before the inevitable departure from Europe.

    Genuine question, or am I being to hard? Thanks.

    Yeah i think that's a fair enough assessment of things at present and with the difference in money between the Scottish league and the top leagues in Europe the gap will continue to widen and our chances of making CL groups will become less. I think out of the 32 teams that will make the CL group stages 20 are already decided and assigned to the top leagues which it too many imo, it makes it a very difficult task for Champions of their leagues to get some scraps from the top table.

    I think the only way Celtic or Rangers can improve their chances of closing the gap a little is to buy or develop young players and then sell for big profits, Celtic have had some success with this in recent years but we're still a way off getting the fees for players that we should. I think its a gradual process where teams see players that have left Celtic are capable of playing at the top level so there's more confidence in paying decent fees for them.

    We need to do this on a consistent basis like Ajax if we are to close the gap but it's not great for fans to see the club offloading important players to the highest bidder each year


  • #175
    RoryMac
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    caddy16 wrote: »
    His comments are more of a poor reflection on him. Presumably he's talking about 3 players. Eddy, Ajer & Ntcham. The latter 2 could have been left out last night without weakening the team - Bitton for Ajer and one of the two strikers for Ntcham.
    He's deflecting attention from himself, pure & simple.

    A lot of people online seem to be suggesting McGregor & Christie as another 2 but not sure what that's based on


  • #176
    Stewball
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    rockatansky wrote: »
    Looks like we have bigger problems based on Lennons BBC Sports sound interview. Some of the players don't want to be at the club and should just leave.

    Deflection from his shocking selections.

    Cluj last season and now Ferencvaros - Lennon isn't good enough.

    In saying that, I wouldn't be sacking him just yet - but 10 or not, he should be axed at the end of the season.


  • #177
    rockatansky
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    One thing that did strike me about Lennons interview was his physical health has deteriorated significantly. I've noticed this on previous interviews also since the return from lockdown but it was definitely worse last night.

    Football aside, I'd hope this isn't having a serious impact on him personally. The pressure for 10 is absolutely massive, and most directed at him

    I for one will be glad when this season is over and it's put in to bed, win or lose.


  • #178
    RoryMac
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    Bit of good news

    https://twitter.com/CelticFC/status/1298953721695657986


  • #179
    Gretas Gonna Get Ya!
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    RoryMac wrote: »
    Yeah i think that's a fair enough assessment of things at present and with the difference in money between the Scottish league and the top leagues in Europe the gap will continue to widen and our chances of making CL groups will become less. I think out of the 32 teams that will make the CL group stages 20 are already decided and assigned to the top leagues which it too many imo, it makes it a very difficult task for Champions of their leagues to get some scraps from the top table.

    I think the only way Celtic or Rangers can improve their chances of closing the gap a little is to buy or develop young players and then sell for big profits, Celtic have had some success with this in recent years but we're still a way off getting the fees for players that we should. I think its a gradual process where teams see players that have left Celtic are capable of playing at the top level so there's more confidence in paying decent fees for them.

    We need to do this on a consistent basis like Ajax if we are to close the gap but it's not great for fans to see the club offloading important players to the highest bidder each year

    You're talking about the gap in finances, but we're not getting dumped out of the CL by big rich clubs... we're getting knocked out by small/average clubs who actually have smaller budgets than us!

    We're not even getting the maximum out of the resources we do have... I wouldn't be confident that we'd do much better with more money. Our track record isn't great and IMHO we have a much bigger problem mentally than we have with lack of finances.

    We are mental midgets when it comes to how we handle big pressure games in Europe! Until that changes, you can forget about being any kind of force in the CL - irrespective of what sort of money we have.
    rockatansky wrote: »
    I for one will be glad when this season is over and it's put in to bed, win or lose.

    But the pressure never ends. That's what it's like if you want to win every year.

    What are we gonna do after we secure 10IAR? Just take our foot off the pedal and let Rangers back in? It's okay we got 10, pressure off now stop pushing ourselves?

    Lenny and the players need to enjoy the pressure. If you cannot enjoy it, then you will eventually get overtaken by another team who is hungry for success. (In our case that is more than likely Rangers)

    Make no mistake, if we fail to get 10IAR it will be a disaster for our club. Considering where Rangers have come from, and how badly that club is still being run to this day. If they stop 10, it will be a bigger achievement than when Win Jansen's team did it in 98. Rangers are in far worse shape than we were back then!

    We are under pressure, and we deserve to be under pressure. And we should deal with that pressure and try to enjoy it. There is no point hiding from pressure or wishing you didn't have it. If we didn't have this pressure on us, it would usually mean that we are not winning things and expectations are low.

    If lenny can't handle the pressure of being Celtic manager - and I am starting to think this might be the case - then he needs to be moved on and replaced with someone who can handle it.

    I know the man has mental health issues, and I have sympathy for anyone with such problems. But if this job is too much for him to handle, then maybe he needs to take a step back from the limelight and work through some of those problems. Sport is supposed to be fun, it's supposed to make you happier!


  • #180
    rockatansky
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    Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »
    But the pressure never ends. That's what it's like if you want to win every year.

    What are we gonna do after we secure 10IAR? Just take our foot off the pedal and let Rangers back in? It's okay we got 10, pressure off now stop pushing ourselves?

    If we get 10 in a row the pressure will be off us immensely. 11 great, if not, so be it. We still have the 10, something they dont. That is the mentality here. After this season the world is going to be a very different place financially. All clubs will be making huge changes on how they operate.

    Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »
    Sport is supposed to be fun, it's supposed to make you happier!

    Aye, especially in Scotland where opposition fans send bombs, bullets and death threats to your Manager and players.


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  • #181
    Gretas Gonna Get Ya!
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    rockatansky wrote: »
    If we get 10 in a row the pressure will be off us immensely. 11 great, if not, so be it. We still have the 10, something they dont. That is the mentality here. After this season the world is going to be a very different place financially. All clubs will be making huge changes on how they operate.


    Aye, especially in Scotland where opposition fans send bombs, bullets and death threats to your Manager and players.

    The pressure will ease, no doubt about that.

    But don't fool yourself, we will still be under huge pressure to keep Rangers down for as long as possible! Look how fast we grew in confidence as a club after we stopped 10 in 98. We never looked back! That league win made us believe in ourselves again.

    If Rangers win the league in the next couple of years, they could get the same confidence boost that we got. We never really fully took advantage of their demise, and because of that they managed to catch up with us much faster than they should have considering the huge mess they were in. (and still are)


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