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Who are the bees knees when it comes to kitchens

  • 26-08-2020 12:28PM
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,912 ✭✭✭


    The kitchen I'm replacing is approx 30 years old, solid wood, has
    a lot of wear and tear, has been painted and fixed a few times so it's truly end of life. Will be sorry to see it go.

    I've been shopping around a few places and it seems that everywhere is effectively flat pack wholesale kitchens in mdf or wrapped in that pvc stuff but the prices are just astronomical and it's not even solid wood!
    Did I miss something during the last 30 years where kitchen prices have inflated a few thousand % so what isn't solid wood.

    I've gone to some of the main places around without mentioning names but a few on the long mile road and then a couple of "bespoke" places.

    Are solid wood kitchens a thing of the past now or are is that a reflection of the prices these days?


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    You can find timber painted kitchens from most kitchen companies, I can't imagine why you're struggling to find one.

    FYI, solid timber isn't always the best choice. Much depends on the style you're looking for.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,912 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    Graham wrote: »
    You can find timber painted kitchens from most kitchen companies, I can't imagine why you're struggling to find one.

    FYI, solid timber isn't always the best choice. Much depends on the style you're looking for.

    We're looking to go with a more modern/contemporary design as we had the traditional for the last 30 years. I've seen the wrapped mdf stuff in other kitchens and it looks like it peels off quite a lot.

    I dunno maybe I need to readjust my expectations but the stuff I'm seeing appears to be flat packed with different branding.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    MDF doesn't necessarily mean foil wrapped.

    If you're looking for a slab/handleless gloss/matt/stained, the best choices IMO are MDF painted or painted and lacquered or veneered & stained. Traditional timber expands/contracts too much for many modern finishes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 84 ✭✭Joey321


    Am in the same position, looking around for new kitchen, was to a place on swords road, no names mentioned, wife loved a certain kitchen gave measurements and was told they will do up drawings and give a price, 3weeks later no word from them rang up the guy i was dealing with and says they are very busy and he has to give priority to people coming into the show rooms, ahhhhhhh thats what i did and gave all the information they required, anyway after a few more calls go drawings and a partial price, told he would get back with price of worktop etc, now another 4 weeks later still no word on price of work top, how do these places stay in business. Got another local guy in to measure up took all the details, everything was straight forward told he will get back with in a week, 4 weeks later still no call. have about 15k to spend on kitchen which would cover what we want and cant seem to get any body to do it. what does it take for someone to install a kitchen these days, Anyway have put the kitchen on hold for a while, dont want to hand money over to some firm and then have another lockdown with the chance of them going out of business and never seen my money again. Plan to do it myself in the future with the exception of the work top. Support local business, these guys do not need support if they are turning down work like this.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,912 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    Graham wrote: »
    MDF doesn't necessarily mean foil wrapped.

    If you're looking for a slab/handleless gloss/matt/stained, the best choices IMO are MDF painted or painted and lacquered or veneered & stained. Traditional timber expands/contracts too much for many modern finishes.

    What about the carcass, they seemed to be made out of melamine?

    But what is the quality of these kitchens, are they of good quality in general? I'm a bit old fashioned in the sense that I like the feel of timber, I've been a bit skeptical of melamine, mdf, pvc wrap etc?

    Also, looks like Panellling Centre seems to supply most of the kitchens to the different providers around Dublin???


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 84 ✭✭Joey321


    @Tickers, best of luck with The panelling centre


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 84 ✭✭Joey321


    Nihgtmare to deal with


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,125 ✭✭✭PMBC


    I agree with you about the standard of current stuff.
    Would you consider replacing the counter top, keeping the carcass, replace the sink/s and add new doors?


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Almost all carcasses are 18mm MFC these days even at the higher end of the market. Cheaper flatpack cabinets may have a 3mm hardboard back and the worst have a metal bar in place of a top.

    If budget allows you could look for someone that manufactures ply/timber cabinets but be prepared to pay a very significant premium compared to an equivalent MFC.

    Panelling centre don't supply (m)any of the kitchen companies. I reckon their typical customer base is man-in-a-van/construction trade with some domestic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 850 ✭✭✭Cakerbaker


    I’m not sure if I can name names but we will shortly be getting a kitchen installed by a company with a showroom in Monkstown. They were recommended by friends.

    They’ve been great to deal with and have been able to tailor a few bits to suit our needs which wasn’t possible with some of the other companies who do seem to rely more on “flat packs” for the structure of the kitchen.

    I’ll report back in a few weeks when it’s in.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭daheff


    most kitchens are made from chipboard melamine carcasses. Even a lot of upscale (higher budget) kitchens are. Its things like doors, door knobs, drawer fronts, sinks,taps, countertops where most of the money gets spent for higher end...but behind it all they are usually the same as the lower spec kitchens.

    Absolutely nothing wrong with these chipboard carcasses. Better to keep your budget for the bits on show than the bits behind it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,579 ✭✭✭Mickiemcfist


    I'd recommend Woodworkers in Terenure, speak to Ken there, really knows his stuff. They can source most things if they don't readily supply it.
    We got our hardwood counters there.

    (also, don't go by their website, it's shocking)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,912 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    I'd recommend Woodworkers in Terenure, speak to Ken there, really knows his stuff. They can source most things if they don't readily supply it.
    We got our hardwood counters there.

    (also, don't go by their website, it's shocking)

    Woodworkers don't fit, supply only afaik?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,579 ✭✭✭Mickiemcfist


    Woodworkers don't fit, supply only afaik?

    Yea that's why I mentioned Ken, he knows all the carpenters they supply so he'd recommend a fitter.


  • Administrators Posts: 56,260 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    When we were kitchen shopping a few years ago for our new build, there was a few options that were not the flat-pack variety. I think they said they were made on-site to fit rather than the jigsaw-like approach that is standard.

    But the price was astronomical. So expensive the developer wouldn't allow them to go in.

    They looked really nice in fairness, and definitely looked like an upgrade on the standard stuff, but you paid for it big time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,523 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    Any kind of chipboard is utter sh!te, in my opinion, for a kitchen. I wouldn't even use it in a bedroom.

    Painted MR MDF is what you want. MR = moisture resistant. It is both more dimensionally stable and has greater pull-out strength for fixings, and can be accurately machined to various profiles.

    Peter Millard has loads of Youtube videos on it. I think he uses Medite, but PanelDespot (for instance) claim to supply MR MDF from various sources.

    It only costs about a tenner per square meter, so I've no idea why all kitchen companies don't use it.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    awec wrote: »
    When we were kitchen shopping a few years ago for our new build, there was a few options that were not the flat-pack variety. I think they said they were made on-site to fit rather than the jigsaw-like approach that is standard.

    But the price was astronomical. So expensive the developer wouldn't allow them to go in.

    Any decent kitchen company (about half of them) should be able to offer off-standards where necessary. You'd probably only need 1 or 2 off-standards for most kitchens so it shouldn't have a massive effect on the overall price. Where you might get stuck is off-standard doors as some of the manufacturers only offer stock-sizes.


  • Administrators Posts: 56,260 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Graham wrote: »
    Any decent kitchen company (about half of them) should be able to offer off-standards where necessary. You'd probably only need 1 or 2 off-standards for most kitchens so it shouldn't have a massive effect on the overall price. Where you might get stuck is off-standard doors as some of the manufacturers only offer stock-sizes.

    I found what I was looking for, it's the in-frame kitchens.

    The frame is solid because it's visible even from the front. The doors have to be made to fit perfectly cause they go into the frame rather than cover it.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    awec wrote: »
    I found what I was looking for, it's the in-frame kitchens.

    The frame is solid because it's visible even from the front. The doors have to be made to fit perfectly cause they go into the frame rather than cover it.

    Most in-frame kitchens still stick to standard cabinet sizes other than where the shape of the kitchen dictates otherwise.

    There's a few less door manufacturers in the in-frame market but they all offer a catalog of standard sizes + off-standards.


  • Administrators Posts: 56,260 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Graham wrote: »
    Most in-frame kitchens still stick to standard cabinet sizes other than where the shape of the kitchen dictates otherwise.

    There's a few less door manufacturers in the in-frame market but they all offer a catalog of standard sizes + off-standards.

    Yea I misremembered the reason why it was more expensive.

    Looked lovely but we weren't allowed it. :(


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 172 ✭✭crashplan


    Try Kane Kitchens in Baldoyle. They are currently fitting a kitchen for me. Great work with lots of choices in their showroom.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,879 ✭✭✭chooseusername


    Beesknees and Queues -not


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 809 ✭✭✭SVI40


    I had my kitchen replaced back in February. Got it from Kube in Balbriggan. I found them to be extremely professional, helpful, and the designer also came up with some great ideas to maximise space.

    Fitters were excellent too.

    I'd recommend a visit to them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,019 ✭✭✭dazed+confused


    Am shopping around for a kitchen too at the moment and each of the 6 suppliers we have spoken to so far are still dealing with the glut of enquiries they received during lockdown.

    We have, after 4 weeks received prices and drawings from 4 of the 6, with the other two expected this week.

    It's nothing personal, they're just out-the-door busy with enquiries at the moment. I have noticed however that phoning up or arriving in person gets a more prompt response than a Facebook or website enquiry. I know people on Boards tend to prefer an online interaction, but there are also lots of people that send out dozens of enquiries with zero intention of ever buying anything too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,679 ✭✭✭MAJJ


    Gallaghers in Lucan and Clondalkin, they have factory on side. Excellent service and finish.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,912 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    SVI40 wrote: »
    I had my kitchen replaced back in February. Got it from Kube in Balbriggan. I found them to be extremely professional, helpful, and the designer also came up with some great ideas to maximise space.

    Fitters were excellent too.

    I'd recommend a visit to them.

    What are their kitchens made out of and did you get your appliances from them?


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    MFC. Priced at the very top of the mid-range suppliers.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,912 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    Graham wrote: »
    MFC. Priced at the very top of the mid-range suppliers.

    Do you have any suggestions for the mid range suppliers, difficult to sort the wheat from the chaff when it comes to suppliers?

    Do you have a preference for MFC over MDF?


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    I don't see a huge benefit to MDF over MFC to be honest, certainly not enough to warrant paying the significant premium for bespoke MDF cabinets.

    There may not be a huge difference in terms of cost of boards to make up the cabinets but finding a kitchen company able/willing to do it would more than likely require open-wallet surgery.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,912 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    Graham wrote: »
    I don't see a huge benefit to MDF over MFC to be honest, certainly not enough to warrant paying the significant premium for bespoke MDF cabinets.

    There may not be a huge difference in terms of cost of boards to make up the cabinets but finding a kitchen company able/willing to do it would more than likely require open-wallet surgery.

    Thanks and in terms of suppliers, how can you tell the difference between mid range and higher end without going around all the houses?


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