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Minister for Agriculture attends 81-person golf event in breach of health guidelines

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,775 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    I imagine Donie was popular with first time buyers in 2008. Of course he has vested interests on the property front too.

    What a vile group they got together in Clifden.


    IIRC Donie Cassidy was one of the biggest property owners in the Oireachtas with some 40+ rental properties under his ownership. When he made that speech in the Seanad telling first time buyers there was fantastic value in the market and now is a great time to buy, etc basically what was happening was Donie was watching the value of all his properties crash through the floor and him trying to find mugs to enter the market to prop it up. He was using a national platform and parliament to try to stem the losses in his own property investments.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 544 ✭✭✭Hawthorn Tree


    Muahahaha wrote: »
    IIRC Donie Cassidy was one of the biggest property owners in the Oireachtas with some 40+ rental properties under his ownership. When he made that speech in the Seanad telling first time buyers there was fantastic value in the market and now is a great time to buy, etc basically what was happening was Donie was watching the value of all his properties crash through the floor and him trying to find mugs to enter the market to prop it up. He was using a national platform and parliament to try to stem the losses in his own property investments.

    Yes absolutely correct. As I said, vile.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,141 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Has there been any verified breach of guidelines posted here relating to this event?

    Just wondering...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 544 ✭✭✭Hawthorn Tree


    walshb wrote: »
    Has there been any verified breach of guidelines posted here relating to this event?

    Just wondering...

    :D

    A minister resigned.

    Indoor events will be reduced from 50 people to just six people, except for businesses such as shops and restaurants.

    Indoor weddings and some religious services, such as mass, are exempt from the new restrictions, meaning they can still take place with up to 50 people.

    The 50 people includes staff.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,509 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Field East - Enda boycotted Browne's show. You do know this?

    It was fairly clear what he was saying - 'play ball or we ignore you'.

    And you do know WHY he boycotted the show?

    You know, when VB tolded Enda Kenny to go into a dark room with a bottle of whiskey and gun and kill himself? A disgraceful statement to make and one which should have resulted in him resiging from his show.

    You left out that little tidbit Francie.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 544 ✭✭✭Hawthorn Tree


    markodaly wrote: »
    And you do know WHY he boycotted the show?

    You know, when VB tolded Enda Kenny to go into a dark room with a bottle of whiskey and gun and kill himself? A disgraceful statement to make and one which should have resulted in him resiging from his show.

    You left out that little tidbit Francie.

    Enda was in fear of his life of VB tearing him apart and you bloody well know it.
    The flippant remark was wrong but Enda had already been avoiding VB out of complete and utter fear at being found out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,788 ✭✭✭Cute Hoor


    walshb wrote: »
    Has there been any verified breach of guidelines posted here relating to this event?

    Just wondering...

    These are the guidelines


    Cultural and social activities
    Restaurants and cafes (including pubs that serve food and hotel restaurants)
    they should close by 11.30pm
    all customer facing staff to wear face coverings
    all customers to wear face coverings until seated and again on departure
    they are required to keep contact details to support contact tracing
    all customers to be seated at a table, with no seating allowed at the bar and table service only
    there should be a maximum of six people from no more than 3 households allowed at a table
    no formal or informal events or parties should be organised in these premises
    all tables must have hand sanitiser

    What do you think?
    By verifiable are you looking for photographic evidence


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,509 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Enda was in fear of his life of VB tearing him apart and you bloody well know it.
    The flippant remark was wrong but Enda had already been avoiding VB out of complete and utter fear at being found out.

    The flippant remark was a disgrace. If any journalist said that today, they would be fired within a day.
    I 100% stand by Enda not bothing talking to 'that man'.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 544 ✭✭✭Hawthorn Tree


    markodaly wrote: »
    The flippant remark was a disgrace. If any journalist said that today, they would be fired within a day.

    Deflect Deflect Deflect.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,509 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Deflect Deflect Deflect.

    Deflect?

    We are talking about Enda Kenny who is not even a TD anymore and has not been Taosieach since 2017. VB is also retired... so what has this to do with the topic on hand?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,641 ✭✭✭GarIT


    I don't know how but we need to put pressure on Dara Calleary and the other TDs at the event to resign. Not to give up his responsbility while trying to keep his money but actually resign, leave the government and Fainna Fail.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 544 ✭✭✭Hawthorn Tree


    markodaly wrote: »
    Deflect?

    We are talking about Enda Kenny who is not even a TD anymore and has not been Taosieach since 2017. VB is also retired... so what has this to do with the topic on hand?

    Hey Mark, did you hear the one about the FF Minister for Agriculture that had to resign after a month because he ignored restrictions that his cabinet had imposed just 1 day before?

    Or the other FF Minister for Agriculture who was fired after a month because he was was caught drink driving and driving on his own with a provisional license?

    The clue is in the thread title.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,509 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Hey Mark, did you hear the one about the FF Minister for Agriculture that had to resign after a month because he ignored restrictions that his cabinet had imposed just 1 day before?

    Or the other FF Minister for Agriculture who was fired because he was was caught drink driving and driving on his own with a provisional license?

    And Enda Kenny and VB has what to do with this?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 544 ✭✭✭Hawthorn Tree


    markodaly wrote: »
    And Enda Kenny and VB has what to do with this?

    Exactly.

    https://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/three-phone-calls-sealed-callearys-fate-hard-to-believe-public-will-be-satisfied-with-just-one-person-out-of-80-losing-their-job-39468996.html
    Three telephone calls sealed Dara Calleary’s fate and ended his short lived career as a Cabinet minister.

    The first came not long after Taoiseach Micheál Martin learned about his deputy leader’s attendance at an Oireachtas Golf Society dinner the previous evening.

    Calleary doesn’t play golf, but attended the dinner which was also honouring former Fianna Fáil minister of State Mark Killilea who is a close family friend.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 544 ✭✭✭Hawthorn Tree


    markodaly wrote: »
    And Enda Kenny and VB has what to do with this?

    You'll love this one.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/commentanalysis/arid-40036139.html
    An empowered Mr Calleary even took to the airwaves on Tuesday evening after the latest lockdown measures were announced, scolding the irresponsible young people and those damn house parties that were to blame for the latest spread of the virus.

    Resolute, and with the weight of his position as a senior member of Government, he warned the nation "Covid loves to party".

    Less than 24 hours after his public warning, he was out enjoying himself with dozens of others — offering two fingers to his own advice, and that of the Taoiseach and health experts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,509 ✭✭✭✭markodaly




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 544 ✭✭✭Hawthorn Tree


    markodaly wrote: »
    So Enda Kenny and VB have zero to do with this topic you agree.

    You brought it up to deflect.

    Hey check this one out...

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/dara-calleary-angry-and-disappointed-at-not-making-minister-1.4291326
    New chief whip Dara Calleary has admitted he was angry and disappointed at not being appointed a full Minister in the new Cabinet.

    Speaking on Mid West Radio, Mr Calleary said the weekend had not gone as he had expected.

    When asked what new Taoiseach Micheál Martin had said to him, he replied he was not going to reveal what had been “a private and incredibly painful” conversation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,802 ✭✭✭Acosta


    markodaly wrote: »
    The flippant remark was a disgrace. If any journalist said that today, they would be fired within a day.
    I 100% stand by Enda not bothing talking to 'that man'.

    It was a stupid and crass thing to say for which he immediately apologised. He hardly meant it literally. It was a silly way of describing his view at the time on Kenny's future as FG leader.
    It turned about to be a gift for Kenny as he used it as an excuse to avoid VB interviews for the next decade.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,334 ✭✭✭Sheep breeder


    No more than anyone else. Have you broken a restriction yourself?

    But going on national radio that morning of golfgate and telling people what they should be doing during covid and knowing he was going on a jolly boys night out, show how much self entitlement he has , sure when mayo didn’t get a ministry he throughout the rattle out of the pram.
    Maybe he kicks up now to the gaa his self entitlement might get you Sam from the gaa.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 544 ✭✭✭Hawthorn Tree


    https://www.thejournal.ie/mayo-dara-calleary-council-barry-cowen-fianna-fail-taoiseach-5150811-Jul2020/
    IN Mayo, the mood was buoyant yesterday after it was confirmed that Fianna Fáil deputy leader Dara Calleary would take up the vacated post of agriculture minister – a silver lining of sorts for the party’s western branches after a disastrous start to Micheál Martin’s tenure.

    ‘Delight’ was the watchword for Fianna Fáil councillors who spoke to TheJournal.ie, even as they played down the damage Martin’s initial snub had caused to internal party relations.

    Over here MarkO ;)

    Where do ye get those blinkers?? They are foolproof...


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Acosta wrote: »
    It was a stupid and crass thing to say for which he immediately apologised. He hardly meant it literally. It was a silly way of describing his view at the time on Kenny's future as FG leader.
    It turned about to be a gift for Kenny as he used it as an excuse to avoid VB interviews for the next decade.

    Also off topic, but it was hilarious when Kenny fell over a flower pot trying to get away from Ursula Halligans questions, even funnier was Kenny's handlers claim that
    Halligan assaulted Kenny.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,590 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Acosta wrote: »
    It was a stupid and crass thing to say for which he immediately apologised. He hardly meant it literally. It was a silly way of describing his view at the time on Kenny's future as FG leader.
    It turned about to be a gift for Kenny as he used it as an excuse to avoid VB interviews for the next decade.

    What mark is also ignorinf is that as well as apologising Browne offered to stand aside as host of the debate but Enda still refused.

    When you see the cosy relationships you can guess it was about control.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,509 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    You brought it up to deflect.

    No, I think you must be terribley confused. Other posters brought it up, your buddy Francie for example.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,775 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    New details of the dinner have also emerged which reveal guests complained about the partition between the two sections of diners in attendance.

    Guests also complained they could not hear speeches because of the division.

    The wall between the two rooms also had to be parted to allow Fianna Fáil senator Niall Blaney walk through to accept the president's prize after winning the tournament.Some guests described the event as a "damp squib" due to the restrictions.

    It has also emerged there was discussion about cancelling the event.However, it was decided it was possible that it could go ahead without breaching the safety guidelines.
    https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/phil-hogan-still-defiant-amid-anger-over-clifden-golf-event-39469466.html

    Meanwhile Im getting ready for tonights house party with 30 people invited. We've got partitions walls to stop the virus spreading so Im just putting 6 guests in the kitchen, living room and each of the three bedrooms.
    That stratgey wont give the virus a chance whatsoevericon14.png


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,590 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Muahahaha wrote: »
    https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/phil-hogan-still-defiant-amid-anger-over-clifden-golf-event-39469466.html

    Meanwhile Im getting ready for tonights house party with 30 people invited. We've got partitions walls to stop the virus spreading so Im just putting 6 guests in the kitchen, living room and each of the three bedrooms.
    That stratgey wont give the virus a chance whatsoevericon14.png

    All overseen by the Dail health and safety officer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    Great post/read.

    The Irish Examiner is a fine newspaper.

    Just as good, and from the same newspaper is this addition but Mick Clifford.

    Kind of hard to argue with some of his points.
    On Thursday, the Irish Examiner broke the story of the Oireachtas golf society outing that was in complete breach of public health guidelines. Aoife-Grace Moore and Paul Hosford detailed the attendance at a function of 80 people, including senior politicians, a supreme court judge, an EU commissioner, and the head of the Irish Banking Federation.

    Resignations rightly followed, but basic questions arise about how so many with leadership roles thought they were above and beyond the guidelines that apply to everybody else.

    Did any among them for a second wonder how it might look when, not if, this got into the public domain? Surely such a collection of individuals, with their respective experience, knew that it would not remain inside the walls of the function room where they gathered?

    Did any of them consider the funerals, weddings, children’s parties, family gatherings that have been foregone in order to comply with guidelines we have been told must be observed?

    Or, to quote a tweet from the former health minister Simon Harris: “A right kick in the gut & middle finger to everyone in our country who has worked so hard & sacrificed so much, to everyone who has lost a loved one or been sick with Covid-19, to every frontline worker and to every responsible business owner who have suffered so much. Shameful.”

    Except Mr Harris wasn’t referencing the golf gathering there, but a group of relatively young punters who had a few moments of madness in the Berlin D2 venue in Dublin last weekend. Such strong words tend to be reserved for others than those who aspire to lead.

    On Leo.
    Then we have the antics of another leader, Leo Varadkar. The farrago over mixed messaging is reported to have some of its origins in divisions in the Cabinet, opened up by Mr Varadkar.

    Since the formation of the Government, the Fine Gael leader has given the impression that he doesn’t see his current role as subservient to that of the Taoiseach. He has repeatedly taken positions that appear designed to undermine Micheál Martin — a little dig here, a pre-emptive press briefing there.

    Mr Varadkar appears to be gaming for a political future where his party capitalises on a Fianna Fáil slide towards irrelevancy.

    That’s standard fare in politics as usual, but we were told that the current Government was put together in the national interest, in order to guide the country through the dark valley of the pandemic. And this is Mr Varadkar’s version of responsible leadership in a time of crisis?

    And not forgetting Michaél.
    Not that the Taoiseach did anything to enhance his own reputation this week.

    Ultimately, the confusion around new guidelines issued on Tuesday are his responsibility.

    For whatever reason — his persona, the string of controversies, rustiness, a deficit of confidence — he has not been able to convey the impression that he is in charge, that he is leading, that he knows what is required.

    Also gets a deserved dig in at the meat processing plants, and yet the govt trying to imply its the low hanging fruit of "the younger crowd" spreading the virus.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/arid-40035863.html


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 544 ✭✭✭Hawthorn Tree


    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40036097.html

    Phil has done a runner this morning. Back to Brussels before any questions could be asked.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 544 ✭✭✭Hawthorn Tree


    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40036097.html
    On Newstalk Breakfast with Eamon Torsney this morning, Junior Minister Martin Heydon said the senators involved have “paid a massive price.”

    “The six senators have all lost the party whip and have lost their respective roles in the Seanad so I think a very clear message has gone to people in power here,” he said.

    A massive price???? They are still senators doing nothing but junkets while on a great salary.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40036097.html

    Phil has done a runner this morning. Back to Brussels before any questions could be asked.

    its recommended by Belgian authorities that he quarantines for 14 days. Wonder will the big eejit even bother.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 544 ✭✭✭Hawthorn Tree


    ChikiChiki wrote: »
    its recommended by Belgian authorities that he quarantines for 14 days. Wonder will the big eejit even bother.

    He also knows that when he returns to Ireland he has to lay low for 14 days. The press will never get near him. Untouchable as usual.

    I wonder will Leo answer any questions on his movements and his knowledge of them.


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