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Minister for Agriculture attends 81-person golf event in breach of health guidelines

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  • #2072
    MayoAreMagic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,946 ✭✭✭MayoAreMagic


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Do as I say not as I do. Upset Dara f**ked up?

    Do as I say and not as I do indeed.
    Did you resign yourself?

    Not particularly tbh with you. Too much of a company man for my liking. Hogan is right not to resign. He didnt organise the thing. When pubs are jammed with people up and down the country, do they all resign? Or is it the publican who gets in trouble for having all these people on the premises? Fine people by all means. But making them resign is utterly hypocritical


  • #2073
    Uriel.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,058 ✭✭✭Uriel.


    El Weirdo wrote: »
    No one's convincing me that Martin, Varadkar and the rest of the government didn't know that this event was taking place before Thursday night when the story broke.

    Surely an email or something went around to every member of the Oireachtas informing them of social events. Like it does in every company in the world.
    FFS, its grand to be angry and all but let's not be stupid about it.
    I get up to 200.emails a day. I'm usually running about 9 to 10 days behind catching up with non urgent emails. I don't play golf. If I get anything from my company's golf society it usually sits in unopened for a week. I'm more recent times, as I have got busier, I'll triage emails and stuff from the golf club just gets deleted unread.

    I'm not the tainaiste or Taoiseach and can't imagine how many mails they receive in a given day. I can't imagine generic golf society emails get much if any attention


  • #2074
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    MayoAreMagic wrote: »
    Do as I say and not as I do indeed.
    Did you resign yourself?

    Not particularly tbh with you. Too much of a company man for my liking. Hogan is right not to resign. He didnt organise the thing. When pubs are jammed with people up and down the country, do they all resign? Or is it the publican who gets in trouble for having all these people on the premises? Fine people by all means. But making them resign is utterly hypocritical

    Whataboutery confirmed. Well done enjoy your day. Tell Dara I said hi.


  • #2075
    MayoAreMagic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,946 ✭✭✭MayoAreMagic


    boomshakalaka wrote: »
    You are literally suggesting we live a life without any accountability. How can you not see that is worse in the long term? Are you a troll?

    You see, again, I didnt say that because that isnt what my post stated. If you need to keep redefining what I said then you arent actually arguing against my point.
    Im saying we should all have accountability, and that the punishment should be in line with the crime. Either we all lose our jobs for breaking restrictions or the thing falls down. What part of that do you not understand?


  • #2076
    MayoAreMagic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,946 ✭✭✭MayoAreMagic


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Whataboutery confirmed. Well done enjoy your day. Tell Dara I said hi.

    Not whataboutery actually.
    Consistancy in application of the rules.
    You want to judge others for things you are guilty of yourself. That is hypocrisy.


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  • #2077
    McMurphy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    Uriel. wrote: »
    FFS, its grand to be angry and all but let's not be stupid about it.
    I get up to 200.emails a day. I'm usually running about 9 to 10 days behind catching up with non urgent emails. I don't play golf. If I get anything from my company's golf society it usually sits in unopened for a week. I'm more recent times, as I have got busier, I'll triage emails and stuff from the golf club just gets deleted unread.

    I'm not the tainaiste or Taoiseach and can't imagine how many mails they receive in a given day. I can't imagine generic golf society emails get much if any attention

    I posted this elsewhere on the site.
    McMurphy wrote: »
    Bishop, do you believe that their was a shindig for the Oireachtas Golf Society, with 81 guests - including Michaél Martin's second in command, Supreme Judges, EU commissioners, various Senators , TDs and even the feckin ambassador for Morocco and neither Michaél nor Leo knew about it?

    These things aren't organised by a secret WhatsApp group, and lost likely there's a paper trail of emails of invites and subsequent acceptance and declination responses.

    The big thing for me was the the Dails chief covid compliance officer was at the feckin thing - like could you blame people if many start to query "is this virus even a tenth as dangerous as they are telling us? Looks like many in govt don't think so, including the chief covid compliance officer"


    Talk about piss down your neck and tell you it's raining.



    There is not the slightest chance in hell that either Michaél or Leo weren't well aware of this planned event.

    Sunday's papers will be interesting will be my guess.


  • #2078
    Sorolla
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,008 ✭✭✭Sorolla


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    The clown had no choice but to resign. Leadership? You're joking right.
    I attended the funeral of a friend on Monday, maximum of 50 allowed into a huge church. Yet 81 elitist gob****es felt they were above the rules they imposed on the wider public.
    Hilarious to see the craven supporters come out from the undergrowth.


    But there was a divider partition at the function - I believe nobody really did anything wrong in a legal sense

    I think the decisive action by the minister in resigning even though he did nothing wrong will lead to a swelling of support for FF

    This witch hunt has to stop


  • #2079
    elperello
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,412 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    MayoAreMagic wrote: »
    No more than anyone else. Have you broken a restriction yourself?

    Your line of argument is getting into "we all partied" territory.

    Before you ask I have broken no restrictions since this thing started. Often at great personal inconvenience and some expense.


  • #2080
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    Can anyone saying Calleary attended the event in good faith explain what this actually means? It's meaningless guff.

    Another thing, anyone saying that other people break the restrictions are completely missing the point. These people are well compensated to be public representatives. It's not unreasonable to hold them to a higher standard than the average person, particularly when the issue at hand is restrictions they themselves put in place.

    It's clear what some posters are engaging in. They seek to justify what happened on Wednesday by trying to imply everyone else is doing the same. It's blatant BS, best to let them off and ignore.


  • #2081
    Yurt2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Sorolla wrote: »
    But there was a divider partition at the function - I believe nobody really did anything wrong in a legal sense

    I think the decisive action by the minister in resigning even though he did nothing wrong will lead to a swelling of support for FF

    This witch hunt has to stop

    What a mad interpretation of the public mood...


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  • #2082
    TCDStudent1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,019 ✭✭✭TCDStudent1


    Sorolla wrote: »
    But there was a divider partition at the function - I believe nobody really did anything wrong in a legal sense

    I think the decisive action by the minister in resigning even though he did nothing wrong will lead to a swelling of support for FF

    This witch hunt has to stop


    That was removed for speeches! I'd say a good few weddings would have gone ahead if they thought they could do that.



    Lot of people called into Mid West Radio yesterday morning absolutely fuming with Calleary over it. Not great when your own constituents are angered about it.


  • #2083
    Sorolla
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,008 ✭✭✭Sorolla


    Yurt! wrote: »
    What a mad interpretation of the public mood...

    He is Fianna Fáil royalty - his father and grandfather represent the people of Mayo going back to 1952.

    A lot of ordinary simple hardworking, salt of the earth country people are very upset that he is being made the scapegoat for this.

    We don’t like to see one of our own taking the blame and being blamed

    He did nothing wrong and was very honorable to resign

    FG will not get a vote west of the Shannon never again


  • #2084
    MayoAreMagic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,946 ✭✭✭MayoAreMagic


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    Can anyone saying Calleary attended the event in good faith explain what this actually means? It's meaningless guff.

    Another thing, anyone saying that other people break the restrictions are completely missing the point. These people are well compensated to be public representatives. It's not unreasonable to hold them to a higher standard than the average person, particularly when the issue at hand is restrictions they themselves put in place.

    I disagree. Not just DC either, any of them. For example, you could go to a gastropub in good faith. Order your meal, have your starter and just as the main comes out a big group come in that push the figures over thr acceptable rate. The thing isnt your doing, but you are now part of it. Do you get up and walk out? You might think, feck it i will just eat this as quick as i can and go. Should you lose your job for doing so? Is it your responsiblity to count how many people are in every pub/shop/etc you enter? Is that realistic?

    As for people being held to higher standards, sorry but that is completely wrong. Our laws are our laws, they apply to everyone the same way. They arent superior beings.

    The real issue here is that no punishments were agreed upon for breaking restrictions, so now people are going to town with them as a 2 fingers to the establishment. Im just concerned that we are cutting off our nose to spite our face


  • #2085
    deise08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭deise08


    It's sad, so sad, it's a sad sad situation,. And it's getting more and more absurd....


    Sorry seems to be the hardest word.


  • #2086
    Yurt2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Sorolla wrote: »
    He is Fianna Fáil royalty - his father and grandfather represent the people of Mayo going back to 1952.

    A lot of ordinary simple hardworking, salt of the earth country people are very upset that he is being made the scapegoat for this.

    We don’t like to see one of our own taking the blame and being blamed

    He did nothing wrong and was very honorable to resign

    FG will not get a vote west of the Shannon never again

    Man alive. Is that really how FF people think?


  • #2087
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,888 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    It’s hardly a surprise to see a Mayo man falter on the main stage and head back home late in the summer empty handed with nobody but himself to blame.

    It wouldn’t be a proper Irish summer without it.


  • #2088
    Gerry Hatrick
    Closed Accounts Posts: 552 ✭✭✭Gerry Hatrick


    Sorolla wrote: »
    He is Fianna Fáil royalty - his father and grandfather represent the people of Mayo going back to 1952.

    A lot of ordinary simple hardworking, salt of the earth country people are very upset that he is being made the scapegoat for this.

    We don’t like to see one of our own taking the blame and being blamed

    He did nothing wrong and was very honorable to resign

    FG will not get a vote west of the Shannon never again

    "One of our own"

    It's no wonder we are in the mess we are in.


  • #2089
    Gods Gift
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,713 ✭✭✭Gods Gift


    Dustin the turkey tweeted that he’d rather have been on the menu than the guest list.

    Says it all really.


  • #2090
    dresden8
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,291 ✭✭✭dresden8


    MayoAreMagic wrote: »
    While the dinner proved to be a disaster, i can also see how someone could arrive expecting the thing to be run properly by the hotel. If they are a speaker at the thing, it makes it very awkward. It still shouldnt have happened, but I dont think it is as bad as it is being made out to be.
    More importantly, we need structure in our government at present. Wanting everyone to be sacked or resign because they broke a restriction is a bit like the whole defund the police stuff in america. It is far too reactionary and in the greater scheme of things, doesnt help our cause. To my mind, there isnt a single person in the country who themselves hasnt broken a restriction at some point. Im not justifying their actions, but I think we need a bit of perspective also. Can anyone honestly say they havent broken a restriction?

    Mayo eh?


  • #2091
    RickDeckard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 254 ✭✭RickDeckard


    The Govt. Spin teams are out in force this weekend.

    The bang of desperation. And they are terrible at social media, a bunch of old biddies and awul lads who get away with this crap on the door step in thier little town to the locals of thier own vintage. It dont work on us here on the internet tubes.

    I am actually looking forward to laughing at the narritive they are trying to spin, 'sur we all broke the rules...sur we all partied....

    P i s s down my neck and tell me its raining will ya??

    The politics wonk in me cant get enough of this, but then I remember how bloody sad, tragic and dangerous this situation is, and I want to cry and then Kill frankly....


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  • #2092
    Sorolla
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,008 ✭✭✭Sorolla


    TCDStudent1 wrote: »
    That was removed for speeches! I'd say a good few weddings would have gone ahead if they thought they could do that.



    Lot of people called into Mid West Radio yesterday morning absolutely fuming with Calleary over it. Not great when your own constituents are angered about it.

    Arrah bad zest to them - aren’t they badly ringing into MWR - have they nothing better to be doing

    There are a lot of constituents that don’t ring into MWR and they are very sad at Dara’s treatment.

    Anyone ringing the wireless is just looking for notice - they should be ashamed of themselves


  • #2093
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,888 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    MayoAreMagic wrote: »
    I disagree. Not just DC either, any of them. For example, you could go to a gastropub in good faith. Order your meal, have your starter and just as the main comes out a big group come in that push the figures over thr acceptable rate. The thing isnt your doing, but you are now part of it. Do you get up and walk out? You might think, feck it i will just eat this as quick as i can and go. Should you lose your job for doing so? Is it your responsiblity to count how many people are in every pub/shop/etc you enter? Is that realistic?

    As for people being held to higher standards, sorry but that is completely wrong. Our laws are our laws, they apply to everyone the same way. They arent superior beings.

    The real issue here is that no punishments were agreed upon for breaking restrictions, so now people are going to town with them as a 2 fingers to the establishment. Im just concerned that we are cutting off our nose to spite our face



    No amount of your nonsensical hypothetical gibberish will change peoples mind that this was reckless, unnecessary and in clear contravention of the guidelines.


  • #2094
    seligehgit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,286 ✭✭✭seligehgit


    Sorolla wrote: »
    He is Fianna Fáil royalty - his father and grandfather represent the people of Mayo going back to 1952.

    A lot of ordinary simple hardworking, salt of the earth country people are very upset that he is being made the scapegoat for this.

    We don’t like to see one of our own taking the blame and being blamed

    He did nothing wrong and was very honorable to resign

    FG will not get a vote west of the Shannon never again

    Please tell me you're not serious.

    If he did nothing wrong why did he resign?

    It was a very serious error of judgement.
    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    It’s hardly a surprise to see a Mayo man falter on the main stage and head back home late in the summer empty handed with nobody but himself to blame.

    It wouldn’t be a proper Irish summer without it.

    Hilarious.:rolleyes:


  • #2095
    Cute Hoor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,788 ✭✭✭Cute Hoor


    Sorolla wrote: »
    I think Dara deserves a lot of kudos for resigning as soon as he realized he made an error of judgement.

    I'm possibly being set up here....... but he did in his bollix, he knew he was breaking the rules on Wednesday night, he sang dumb, when the Examiner broke the story he issued an abject apology (f'all choice) hoping it would go away, he was lacerated throughout the night and knew yesterday morning that his goose was well and truly cooked so he stepped down (absolutely no choice), kudos me bollix.


  • #2096
    Gods Gift
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,713 ✭✭✭Gods Gift


    Phishnet wrote: »
    PLEASE, CAN ANYONE TELL ME THE NAMES OF THE +3 THAT ATTENDED THE OIREACHTAS GOLF SOCIETY WITH BRIAN HAYES?

    Wife and 2 girlfriends.


  • #2097
    dresden8
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,291 ✭✭✭dresden8


    Sorolla wrote: »
    But there was a divider partition at the function - I believe nobody really did anything wrong in a legal sense

    I think the decisive action by the minister in resigning even though he did nothing wrong will lead to a swelling of support for FF

    This witch hunt has to stop

    Minister resigning in disgrace leads to jump in support? You are smoking some weird ****.


  • #2098
    elperello
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,412 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Sorolla wrote: »
    Arrah bad zest to them - aren’t they badly ringing into MWR - have they nothing better to be doing

    There are a lot of constituents that don’t ring into MWR and they are very sad at Dara’s treatment.

    Anyone ringing the wireless is just looking for notice - they should be ashamed of themselves

    Double agent alert.


  • #2099
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 21,290 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    seligehgit wrote: »
    Please tell me you're not serious.

    If he did nothing wrong why did he resign?

    It was a very serious error of judgement.



    Hilarious.:rolleyes:

    On a law of averages there's bound to be people on here with the same level of judgement as our elite :D


  • #2100
    Sorolla
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,008 ✭✭✭Sorolla


    dresden8 wrote: »
    Minister resigning in disgrace leads to jump in support? You are smoking some weird ****.

    His resignation was an honorable act.
    It reminds me a little of Pope Benedict- he resigned to save the Catholic Church.

    DC resigning will reinvigorate the FF party and come next election we will be in overall majority territory


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  • #2101
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    It’s hardly a surprise to see a Mayo man falter on the main stage and head back home late in the summer empty handed with nobody but himself to blame.

    It wouldn’t be a proper Irish summer without it.

    10/10 , funniest thing I have read here.


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