Lets talk about Burgers

The Nal · 26-06-2020 11:39am

rubadub wrote: »

The second one has a more powerful motor.

Saw that yeah but I don't think it needs it. One I have minced brisket with a hard fat cap no problem.

rubadub wrote: »

I was saying people cut the meat finely themselves to see if they think it is worthwhile. Of course you can just ask the butcher nicely too.

I remember thinking of getting a bread maker and somebody warning me that they just ended up eating loads of bread! same might happen if I got a grinder.

Do one burger with it and it justifies the purchase. Not really into bread making. Takes ages and you can always buy nicer in the shops.

the beer revolu · 27-06-2020 10:34am

Muahahaha wrote: »

Its funny the way the cheaper cuts can work. Years ago I lived in Australia where every bar/restaurant menu would have lamb shanks on it, back then you would get a lamb shank roast with spuds and veggies for about $8. Had never come across it in Ireland before but when I got back here I used to order it from the butchers. For years and years I was getting lamb shanks for 2 euros each. I used to wonder what would happen them in Ireland otherwise, probably frozen and sold to foreign markets or maybe just used in stuff like dog food, Im not sure.

Anyway about 4-5 years ago TV chefs like Donal Skehan and Nevin Maguire (aka Eoin McLove) started popularising them to Irish audiences. Next thing I knew lamb shanks went up in price when butchers realised more and more people were buying them, IMO its typical of the rip of culture we see in Ireland- a product getting popular is followed by sellers jacking the prices up Nowadays 4-5 euros seems to be the price for a single shank in butchers which is a bit joke for a so called cheap cut of meat. Even Aldi are selling two for 8 euro. So what was a cut that wasnt even in demand has actually more than doubled in price in the last few years.

Three words :
Supply and demand.

It's not price gouging, it's charging what people are willing to pay for a given product.
It's annoying when things that were once cheap increase in value but it's not gouging. It's basic economics.
Even at todays prices, lamb shanks are still great value for the meat you get off them.

oleras · 27-06-2020 12:04pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

That looks class Nal, although I shouldnt be licking my lips at the sight of raw mince I am actually licking my lips

Chefs treat imo, a nice big pinch of it. Raw lean minced beef is a thing of beauty, cant resist even the prepacked stuff even though they warn against it, bah..still alive !

ballsdeep69 · 28-06-2020 10:59pm

I would absolutely destroy a fur burger now !!!

the beer revolu · 29-06-2020 3:10pm

ballsdeep69 wrote: »

I would absolutely destroy a fur burger now !!!

Alas, they aren't suitable for children - You're out of luck!

Gloomtastic! · 29-06-2020 5:13pm

I need to get out more. I Googled fur burger! :eek:

Feisar · 14-07-2020 10:40pm

the beer revolu wrote: »

Three words :
Supply and demand.

It's not price gouging, it's charging what people are willing to pay for a given product.
It's annoying when things that were once cheap increase in value but it's not gouging. It's basic economics.
Even at todays prices, lamb shanks are still great value for the meat you get off them.

Sorry not on topic as regards burgers however, shin should not be expensive. It creates the best stew known to man however it's a rough cut. Part of the problem is most all butchers are meat displayers these days. Ask for shin and they will have to order it in.

stargazer 68 · 15-07-2020 9:29am

The Nal wrote: »

This is the one I have. Don't think its available anymore but maybe base the specs off this. Cheap enough and does the job perfectly.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Andrew-James-Grinding-Attachment-Function/dp/B0063CF80G

It seems to be like this one but just rebranded.

Jumping in on this. Hubbie has decided he wants a grinder and sausage maker for his birthday! These don't deliver to Ireland. Have looked at Arnotts and Debenhams but no joy. Any other suggestions where I could get one?

delboythedub · 15-07-2020 9:35am

Add a small bit of Tomaoe Katchup to your raw meat mixture and also if you can get it a small bit of Knorr meat seasoning. Enjoy

Bassfish · 15-07-2020 9:49am

stargazer 68 wrote: »

Jumping in on this. Hubbie has decided he wants a grinder and sausage maker for his birthday! These don't deliver to Ireland. Have looked at Arnotts and Debenhams but no joy. Any other suggestions where I could get one?

Would any of the kitchen/catering supply companies have them?

shanec1928 · 15-07-2020 9:55am

Bassfish wrote: »

Would any of the kitchen/catering supply companies have them?

lidl or aldi either had them or were to get them in the last week or so. cant remember but i defiantly seen them in the magazine

*edit found it lidl this week mon 13th €50

The Mulk · 15-07-2020 9:56am

stargazer 68 wrote: »

Jumping in on this. Hubbie has decided he wants a grinder and sausage maker for his birthday! These don't deliver to Ireland. Have looked at Arnotts and Debenhams but no joy. Any other suggestions where I could get one?

The above will deliver to Parcel motel, just check dimensions, it should fit in a locker

Muahahaha · 15-07-2020 4:09pm

Yeah this is the one that went on sale in Lidl yesterday.

Versatile – ideal for mincing meat and making sausages

Can also be used for making biscuits – includes stainless steel biscuit mould attachment with 4 designs

Simple soft-touch control panel with an On/Off switch and reverse function

Hygienic and easy to clean

With practical cord storage and suction cups for stability

Processes 1kg meat/ minute

Includes: Tray with pusher, 3 perforated discs, Tomato strainer attachment, Sausage attachment, Kibbe attachment, Biscuit attachment

https://www.lidl.ie/en/p/summer-kitchen/electric-mincer/p45185

Coillte_Bhoy · 15-07-2020 4:21pm

The Italian Collection Cast Iron Mincer is ideal for making your own mince from prime cuts of meat. This set includes three discs for different sized mincing, a sausage making attachment and screw clamp fittings for a secure hold whilst in use. Spare blades and accessories are also available. Two sizes to choose from small and large.

Note: The size of the screw clamp bracket has been increased on newer models of this mincer to accommodate modern bench tops.

Two sizes to choose from Small & Large
Size: 5cm mincing discs
Cast Iron

https://www.gilmartins.ie/Cast-Iron-Hand-Mincer?search=mincer&sub_category=true

Gloomtastic! · 15-07-2020 4:26pm

I've no room for any more gadgets, but what do you burger aficionados think of this?

https://www.aldi.ie/ambiano-burger-maker/p/703819403026102

rubadub · 15-07-2020 4:41pm

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

https://www.gilmartins.ie/Cast-Iron-Hand-Mincer?search=mincer&sub_category=true

41% of people give it 1 star on amazon.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/KitchenCraft-Home-Mincer-Machine-Medium/dp/B0001IX1SE/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?dchild=1&keywords=home+cast+iron+mincer+brand%3A+kitchencraft&qid=1594827357&sr=8-1-fkmr0

I was looking for a small manual one before and only saw negative reviews, including ones sold on nisbets and other catering places.

I was looking at getting a vintage spong one instead.

The Nal · 15-07-2020 5:10pm

Gloomtastic! wrote: »

I've no room for any more gadgets, but what do you burger aficionados think of this?

https://www.aldi.ie/ambiano-burger-maker/p/703819403026102

Dunno, looks like it could steam the meat which isn't good.

Muahahaha · 15-07-2020 5:19pm

I think its overkill really to have a dedicated device to cook a burger when a frying pan does it just fine. Its not claiming to be more healthy or anything either so cant really see any advantage of it, its just more clutter for the kitchen presses!

the beer revolu · 16-07-2020 12:57pm

shanec1928 wrote: »

lidl or aldi either had them or were to get them in the last week or so. cant remember but i defiantly seen them in the magazine

*edit found it lidl this week mon 13th €50

I bought a silver crest mincer a few years ago.
I gave it away. I found that if you weren't mincing pure lean or pure fat, it constantly clogged, requiring taking it apart every few minutes. It couldn't handle belly pork at all. Also, the nozzle didn't fit skins properly.

Unless they've redesigned it, I wouldn't go near it.

the beer revolu · 16-07-2020 12:59pm

Gloomtastic! wrote: »

I've no room for any more gadgets, but what do you burger aficionados think of this?

https://www.aldi.ie/ambiano-burger-maker/p/703819403026102

I can't see why anyone needs that.
It's just a restrictively designed George Foreman - and they don't get hot enough to sear anything anyway. Save your money.

Kat1170 · 16-07-2020 11:00pm

the beer revolu wrote: »

I bought a silver crest mincer a few years ago.
I gave it away. I found that if you weren't mincing pure lean or pure fat, it constantly clogged, requiring taking it apart every few minutes. It couldn't handle belly pork at all. Also, the nozzle didn't fit skins properly.

Unless they've redesigned it, I wouldn't go near it.

The blades on all those types of mincer are just plain dull. They need a good sharpening even from the box and it transforms the machine. Get the flat type diamond knife sharpeners and rub the star shaped blade on it in a circular motion for about 10 minutes, you won't believe the difference.

This type

https://images.app.goo.gl/vBJaKi58UmobGXu67

stargazer 68 · 17-07-2020 10:39am

Saw this on Amazon and musgraves have it in stock too. Any opinions?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Kenwood-MG510-Meat-Grinder-Silver/dp/B002LZUEPS/ref=sr_1_6?crid=MPOS46HO9SRE&dchild=1&keywords=electric+meat+grinder+and+sausage+maker&qid=1594811605&refinements=p_n_shipping_option-bin%3A2023186031&rnid=2023185031&sprefix=meat+grinder+electric+with+sau%2Caps%2C510&sr=8-6

The Nal · 17-07-2020 10:42am

stargazer 68 wrote: »

Saw this on Amazon and musgraves have it in stock too. Any opinions?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Kenwood-MG510-Meat-Grinder-Silver/dp/B002LZUEPS/ref=sr_1_6?crid=MPOS46HO9SRE&dchild=1&keywords=electric+meat+grinder+and+sausage+maker&qid=1594811605&refinements=p_n_shipping_option-bin%3A2023186031&rnid=2023185031&sprefix=meat+grinder+electric+with+sau%2Caps%2C510&sr=8-6

Very similar to the one I have. Will work a treat.

Top tip, put the meat and the grinder attachments into the freezer for 30 minutes before you grind anything.

tangy · 17-07-2020 4:08pm

the beer revolu wrote: »

I bought a silver crest mincer a few years ago.
I gave it away. I found that if you weren't mincing pure lean or pure fat, it constantly clogged, requiring taking it apart every few minutes. It couldn't handle belly pork at all. Also, the nozzle didn't fit skins properly.

Unless they've redesigned it, I wouldn't go near it.

This. I got rid of mine too. Mince. Reverse. Repeat. Disassemble.

I hot-melt glued a funnel to the sausage nozzle to get the skins to fit. I thought at the time I'd bought the wrong sized skins, so I'm glad to see it wasn't just me.

When I mince meat now, I use a Spong with a suction base my parents bought years ago. Works well till the suction breaks. No sausage attachment either :rolleyes:

Ryath · 17-07-2020 4:16pm

stargazer 68 wrote: »

Saw this on Amazon and musgraves have it in stock too. Any opinions?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Kenwood-MG510-Meat-Grinder-Silver/dp/B002LZUEPS/ref=sr_1_6?crid=MPOS46HO9SRE&dchild=1&keywords=electric+meat+grinder+and+sausage+maker&qid=1594811605&refinements=p_n_shipping_option-bin%3A2023186031&rnid=2023185031&sprefix=meat+grinder+electric+with+sau%2Caps%2C510&sr=8-6

I have the mincer attachment for my Kenwood Chef that looks very similar. I think it works quite well and my chef has less power than that mincer.

The Nal · 17-07-2020 4:26pm

To be fair you're always going to lose about 10% of the meat in the funnel no matter what. Just not enough mass to push it all through.

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Muahahaha · 17-07-2020 4:50pm

What are the funnels like to clean out with the meat left inside, is it a hassle to get in there and make sure its spotless? And you do wash it in milton then or something.

lenscap · 24-07-2020 4:21pm

If you want to mince correctly, which ever mincer you have, you need to have your meat well chilled (not frozen).

I have a old Kenwood Chef (replaced the motor a few years ago and it's a huge improvement) with the mincer attachment and it used to clog and jam up until I chilled the meat (like it's begining to freeze).

Never had a problen since.

To get the last bits of meat from the mincer, just feed the mincer a slice of bread.

tangy · 08-08-2020 11:03am

A shortish (5:34) video of cooking an Oklahoma Onion Burger (haven't you heard of them?

), also known, he says, as a smash burger.

He uses a charcoal stove and a cast iron grill plate. And an old flat iron.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iO-ln6qRnc

The Nal · 08-08-2020 11:26am

FXB have Wagyu burgers now. Holy, er, cow they're good.

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