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I bet you didn't know that this thread would have a part 2

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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 93,126 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Neanderthal genome analysis suggests they may have had a lower threshold for pain than most modern humans.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,810 ✭✭✭Evade


    The typical Neanderthal slouch was due to the first skeleton discovered having arthritis.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,183 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Evade wrote: »
    The typical Neanderthal slouch was due to the first skeleton discovered having arthritis.
    He was also an old guy(over 50) and unusually for pre farming humans had lost most of his teeth to decay. There was also the prevailing notion that the "missing link" was an apish primitive thing, far from God's grace kinda thing. That primitive notion survived until quite recently too. Then they discovered that we had some of their genes and they started to look more like us with every reconstruction.

    They went from this:
    neanderthal-man-first-reconstruction-neanderthal-6215903.jpg

    To this:
    f59c7c2cc164717b9eeb57fbde156625.jpg

    Funny that. :) That said their skull dimensions are way outside the range of any modern person. You can see that in the woman on the right. Very long skull from front to back. We're more like a football shape, they were more like a rugby ball. No chin, large brow ridges and their mid face is drawn forward whereas we're much flatter of face.

    Pretty much all Neandertal adult males so far found have arthritis to some degree. Plus every single one of them so far found sustained bone injuries in life, some of them really traumatic. Whether this was down to violence from others or their up close and personal hunting strategies is not clear, though the standard of care they got after such injuries suggests the hunting angle. One guy had a blunt force skull fracture that almost certainly left him blind in one eye and deaf on one side and one of his arms was amputated and one of his legs was fecked too and he survived at least a decade after those injuries.

    When the first skulls were discovered in Europe they were explained away as some modern person who was suffering from a deformity or illness. Because science at the time didn't allow for non humans in the past they described what they expected to see(whereas an average neighbourhood GP of today if shown a skull would immediately spot something was up). A common human failing. Darwin helped inspire the idea of an evolution of humanity so that changed the expectations and more and more and different pre humans were found, particularly in Asia, where most scientists thought we'd come from, rather than Africa. Darwin himself had quite impressively and prophetically suggested that because of Africa having more species of great ape that there was were we likely came from. The Africa origin of humans didn't really become mainstream until the middle of the 20th century.

    It was a professor in Galway who gave Neandertals their name.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 93,126 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    One for King of the Hill fans.

    Propane looks like a puppy.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 93,126 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Wibbs wrote: »
    He was also an old guy(over 50) and unusually for pre farming humans had lost most of his teeth to decay.
    ...

    Plus every single one of them so far found sustained bone injuries in life, some of them really traumatic.
    Neanderthal genome analysis suggests they may have had a lower threshold for pain than most modern humans.
    :(

    Until 200 years ago we didn't have effective painkillers or anaesthetics.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    Wibbs wrote: »
    It was a professor in Galway who gave Neandertals their name.

    Classic case of environmental influence.


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 77,192 Mod ✭✭✭✭New Home


    One for King of the Hill fans.

    Propane looks like a puppy.




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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,183 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    :(

    Until 200 years ago we didn't have effective painkillers or anaesthetics.
    Well we kinda did, or at least we had a few herbal concoctions that would do a fair job of reducing pain. Even alcohol would do the trick. Going way back hunter gatherers are also herbal specialists and usually have a fair medicine bag of stuff to treat illnesses. This was the case even as far back as Neandertals. Researchers have for a while now looked at the tartar preserved between the teeth of ancient humans(when it hadn't been cleaned away by earlier researchers) and the stuff preserved in it. A few years back a bunch of researchers looked anew at Neandertal tartar from a group in Spain and another in Holland IIRC and with the latest tech kit. They found some interesting things in the DNA and other stuff extracted.

    The Dutch folks were almost exclusively meat eaters like we think of Neandertals, however the Spanish folks were damn near vegetarians, which came as a surprise and showed they were just as locally adaptable as us diet wise(previous humans weren't nearly so much). Both groups had distinct mouth bacteria ecosystems going on and different to modern humans, at least westerners, the Spanish had more of the bacteria that cause tooth decay(plant based diets are more likely to cause this). One Spanish guy had an abscess on his tooth and he alone of the group had a couple of interesting differences. He had the DNA for willow, likely willow bark which contains the active ingredient in aspirin and he also had a fair chunk of the DNA from of all things the fungus that gave us penicillin. Yeah, mad or wha? So it looks like he was being medicated by the wise woman of the tribe or whomever and they had found out through experience which special blend of herbs and spices did the trick. Another bunch again in Spain consumed chamomile, likely as a relaxant. They also consumed other herbs that were very bitter(like willow bark) and had the same "ah jaysus that's bleedin rank Liam" sensory pathways as us, so again likely medicinal.

    There was also a hint of something else going on when they looked at a particular bacteria found in the mouth. The Neandertal one shows up at around the time we first met them and got jiggy. It gets passed from person to person from food sharing and very much by things like kissing, so maybe we gave it to them after a snoggette behind a tree after the cave nightclub had called last orders. Yer wan on the right above looks pretty even by today's standards. To me anyway so... :D

    They were also into collecting and refining pigments likely for body adornment(though some could be used as part of a fire starting kit). Interestingly the pigments they seek out are all dark(except for mica for extra sparkle to look fabulous) which makes sense if they were pale skinned like modern Europeans. If you look at modern people like say Native Australians who are very dark skinned their body paint palate is towards whites and pale colours. Dark colours wouldn't be nearly so blinging. Like I'd be the whitest guy at Dracula's book club and the Aborigine body art would be lost on me. They also used jewellery in the form of pendants and necklaces using shells and even eagle claws and feathers. So they must have been quite a colourful people. We would have presented a sight to them too of course. Slightly taller and much skinnier dark skinned people with faces that would have looked almost childlike to them and tech like sewn and fitted clothing and light long distance spears. One Neandertal in what is present day Iran was actually hit and injured by one of those spears, so it looks like it wasn't always nice to meet you. He survived the injury which would have punctured a lung(tough buggers) but died in a cave roof collapse a few weeks after.

    Oh and they also invented the first compound glue from tree sap, something that required very particular temperatures and an anaerobic environment to work. Modern researchers can just about manage to make about a teaspoon full at best, whereas they seemed to be able to rattle it out in quantity and with apparent ease.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 93,126 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    The Dead Sea Scrolls are in 25,000 fragments from 1,000 documents.

    But DNA analysis could work out which sheep or cow each piece was written on.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,625 ✭✭✭✭BaZmO*


    When the Titanic wreck was discovered at the bottom of the sea, the swimming pool still contained water, 100 years after it sank!!!


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 77,192 Mod ✭✭✭✭New Home


    Well, I guess evaporation would have been minimal. :pac:


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,065 ✭✭✭secondrowgal


    That quintessentially Americanism “wow” is actually Scottish. First used in the 16th Century in Scotland.

    And the even more quintessentially British “stiff upper lip” is actually American and can be found in Uncle Tom’s Cabin.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,802 ✭✭✭✭Ted_YNWA


    BaZmO* wrote: »
    When the Titanic wreck was discovered at the bottom of the sea, the swimming pool still contained water, 100 years after it sank!!!
    New Home wrote: »
    Well, I guess evaporation would have been minimal. :pac:

    It was one of the few that had nobody peeing in it last year.


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 77,192 Mod ✭✭✭✭New Home


    "We love our ool because there's no p in it".


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 93,126 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    You can't tell when a pterodactyl is urinating. Because the pee is silent.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 726 ✭✭✭I Am Nobody


    You can't tell when a pterodactyl is urinating. Because the pee is silent.

    That one is so bad it's good!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭LostinBlanch


    Erwin Schrodinger, the fella that had the cat named after him, was personally headhunted by Dev who met him in Geneva in 1939 and arranged visas for himself, his wife, and his mistress. :eek: They escaped Austria and made it to Rome where Dev phoned him and told him to meet him in Geneva where he sorted out visas for the three of them. They all lived in the same house on Kincora Road in Clontarf while Schrodinger worked in the Dublin Institute for Advanced Studies in Trinity.

    He also found the time to ride all around him, as it increased his creativity :D

    He became a naturalised Irish citizen and stayed for seventeen years before returning to Vienna in 1956. He described his time in Ireland as some of the happiest years of his life and said Ireland was “the only place in the world where a person like me would be able to live comfortably and without direct obligations, free to follow all his fancies.”


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,183 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    I suppose for Schrodinger he could always say he was with both women and neither, at the same time. :D

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,124 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Erwin Schrodinger, the fella that had the cat named after him, was personally headhunted by Dev who met him in Geneva in 1939 and arranged visas for himself, his wife, and his mistress. :eek: They escaped Austria and made it to Rome where Dev phoned him and told him to meet him in Geneva where he sorted out visas for the three of them. They all lived in the same house on Kincora Road in Clontarf while Schrodinger worked in the Dublin Institute for Advanced Studies in Trinity.

    He also found the time to ride all around him, as it increased his creativity :D

    He became a naturalised Irish citizen and stayed for seventeen years before returning to Vienna in 1956. He described his time in Ireland as some of the happiest years of his life and said Ireland was “the only place in the world where a person like me would be able to live comfortably and without direct obligations, free to follow all his fancies.”

    It has come out that he was a huge Bon Jovi fan with his favourite song 'Wanted Dead and Alive'. The most confusing time of his life was when he accidentally knocked down his neighbours cat. He said he didn't know whether to feel guilty or not.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭LostinBlanch


    Wibbs wrote: »
    I suppose for Schrodinger he could always say he was with both women and neither, at the same time. :D

    Well the wife was happy enough with the arrangement she was off having her own affairs. Holy Catholic Ireland was more welcoming of this arrangement than Oxford was. He tried to leave Austria for Oxford, but all the academics there were so scandalised by him openly living with his wife and mistress in the same house, that they told him that there was no position for him so they had to go back to Austria until Dev brought him to Dublin.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,289 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    Chinese explorer Zheng He's ship compared to Christopher Columbus' Santa Maria. They both lived in the same era:

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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 93,126 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    The Dublin Institute for Advanced Studies has three schools for Cosmic Physics, Theoretical Physics and Celtic Studies because of the way they naturally go together :confused:


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 77,192 Mod ✭✭✭✭New Home


    Variety is the spice of life, Capt'n...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,289 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Sleepy wrote: »
    Chinese explorer Zheng He's ship compared to Christopher Columbus' Santa Maria. They both lived in the same era:

    Apparently he was in fact overcompensating for something :)
    Zheng He[a] (Chinese: 鄭和; 1371 – 1433 or 1435) was a Chinese mariner, explorer, diplomat, fleet admiral, and court eunuch during China's early Ming dynasty.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,573 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    fascinating programme on BBC2 now. it is about animals and counting. they were able to prove that ants can count. they counted the number of steps that an ant took when walking back to the nest from a particular point. they then attached little sticks to each of the ants legs so they were basically walking on stilts. they then left the ant at the same spot. the ant then walked the same number of steps back to the nest. but of course the steps were now longer so they walked past the nest but it showed that the ant knew how many steps to take.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,941 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    fascinating programme on BBC2 now. it is about animals and counting. they were able to prove that ants can count. they counted the number of steps that an ant took when walking back to the nest from a particular point. they then attached little sticks to each of the ants legs so they were basically walking on stilts. they then left the ant at the same spot. the ant then walked the same number of steps back to the nest. but of course the steps were now longer so they walked past the nest but it showed that the ant knew how many steps to take.

    I think in these challenging times, we all need the footage of that ant walking around on stilts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,573 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    I think in these challenging times, we all need the footage of that ant walking around on stilts.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 822 ✭✭✭lapua20grain




  • Registered Users Posts: 822 ✭✭✭lapua20grain




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭LostinBlanch


    The Dublin Institute for Advanced Studies has three schools for Cosmic Physics, Theoretical Physics and Celtic Studies because of the way they naturally go together :confused:


    That's because Dev was they guy who set it up, he wanted an Irish version of the Institute of Advanced Studies in Princeton.

    From wikipedia
    The School of Celtic Studies owes its founding to the importance de Valera accorded to the Irish language. He considered it a vital element in the makeup of the nation, and therefore important that the nation should have a place of higher learning devoted to this subject.


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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 93,126 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    twitter.com/Rainmaker1973/status/1288361144277700609?s=19
    IIRC the Med would dry up at 1 meter per year if the Straits of Gibraltar were closed again.

    It's dried up several times and in places there is 1Km of salt deposits.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 93,126 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Here's a quote Peter Bowles who stared as The Irish RM which TG4 are showing. Picture him in you mind. Got him, good.

    Now read the quote.


    "It ended up with a lady from America getting into my house, because she wanted to be my sex slave. She sold everything and had come over because she wanted to be dominated by the most evil man in the universe."
    - Peter Bowles.

    (radio interview with BBC Hereford and Worcester's Tony Fisher, 2nd April 2007). The full story is recounted in his autobiography, Ask Me If I'm Happy (2010), pages 420-422


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 93,126 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    The biggest robbery in Canadian history was from their strategic reserve of maple syrup.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,437 ✭✭✭fergiesfolly


    The biggest robbery in Canadian history was from their strategic reserve of maple syrup.

    Bet those thieves had sticky fingers.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 93,126 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    NBC were going to cancel the third series of Star Trek because it was loosing money.

    But NBC was owned by RCA. And RCA owned the patent for colour TV. And colour TV's weren't cheap. And people were buying them to watch Star Trek in colour.

    And that's why there was a third series.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,498 ✭✭✭KevRossi


    A Swiss Guard (Vatican City) must be single and celibate and resign as soon as they marry. But they may wear the uniform for their wedding. Recruits to the guards must be unmarried Swiss Catholic males between 19 and 30 years of age who have completed basic training with the Swiss Armed Forces.

    Along with the traditional halberd, they carry pistols and pepper spray. They also dress in plain clothes and are one of the few armies who enjoy the right to carry weapons unhindered in almost any European country. Their uniforms are also tailor made.


  • Posts: 26,052 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    KevRossi wrote: »
    A Swiss Guard (Vatican City) must be single and celibate and resign as soon as they marry. But they may wear the uniform for their wedding. Recruits to the guards must be unmarried Swiss Catholic males between 19 and 30 years of age who have completed basic training with the Swiss Armed Forces.

    Along with the traditional halberd, they carry pistols and pepper spray. They also dress in plain clothes and are one of the few armies who enjoy the right to carry weapons unhindered in almost any European country. Their uniforms are also tailor made.

    The most instantly recognisable armed force in the world, and probably the only one who wear tights. :D It's considered a sacred vocation, something one is called to, and there are Swiss families who've had a member in the Guard for centuries. Probably the only men's job with a marriage bar too.

    The uniforms designer is often claimed to be Michelangelo, but in their current incarnation the uniforms were designed by a Guard Commandant back in the early twentieth century.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,497 ✭✭✭auspicious


    It definitely shouldn't have a part 3.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭LostinBlanch


    NBC were going to cancel the third series of Star Trek because it was loosing money.

    But NBC was owned by RCA. And RCA owned the patent for colour TV. And colour TV's weren't cheap. And people were buying them to watch Star Trek in colour.

    And that's why there was a third series.

    In the first series, the most expensive special effect was the doors that opened automatically. The production company had to pay two people to open the doors whenever any actor had to go through them, as they didn't have the technology at the time.

    It's amazing how many things we take for granted were first imagined by Gene Rodenberry.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭LostinBlanch


    Candie wrote: »
    The most instantly recognisable armed force in the world, and probably the only one who wear tights. :D It's considered a sacred vocation, something one is called to, and there are Swiss families who've had a member in the Guard for centuries. Probably the only men's job with a marriage bar too.

    The uniforms designer is often claimed to be Michelangelo, but in their current incarnation the uniforms were designed by a Guard Commandant back in the early twentieth century.

    I'll see your Swiss Guard and raise you the Greek Evzones or Presidential Guard. They'd really put the fear of God into you. :eek::D



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,819 ✭✭✭✭peasant


    silly dress... check
    silly walk ... check
    actual conflict potential ... treble check :eek:

    closing ceremony at India/Pakistan border



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭ArnoldJRimmer


    peasant wrote: »
    silly dress... check
    silly walk ... check
    actual conflict potential ... treble check :eek:

    closing ceremony at India/Pakistan border


    I actually went to this once, it was wonderfully ridiculous. There is a stand on each side of the border for spectators. Gets a big crowd from the India side, not so much from Pakistan. Given the tensions between the two countries, its actually one of the friendlier and respectful ways they express their rivalry


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,941 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    peasant wrote: »
    silly dress... check
    silly walk ... check
    actual conflict potential ... treble check :eek:

    closing ceremony at India/Pakistan border


    This is such a fascinating ceremony to me because it is obviously an expression of real, historical hostilities, and an occasion of the worst kind of chest-thumping jingoisim, and yet it is also highly choreographed and ceremonial, requiring a certain amount of collaboration to carry out. It's pure Monty Python really.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,268 Mod ✭✭✭✭cdeb


    It's pure Monty Python really.
    Appropriately enough, both were covered in Michael Palin's travelogues. (Himalaya and Around the World in 80 Days)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,997 ✭✭✭Adyx


    In the first series, the most expensive special effect was the doors that opened automatically. The production company had to pay two people to open the doors whenever any actor had to go through them, as they didn't have the technology at the time.

    It's amazing how many things we take for granted were first imagined by Gene Rodenberry.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,941 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    cdeb wrote: »
    Appropriately enough, both were covered in Michael Palin's travelogues. (Himalaya and Around the World in 80 Days)

    YES! Was trying to remember where I had seen a good explanation of what was going on. It was Palin.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 93,126 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    You know the way the guards outside Buckingham Palace have to play silent and stiff ?

    If one of them shouts "get back from the Queen’s guard" at you consider it a final warning before things get physical



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    A police spokesman said the man was given "words of advice"


  • Posts: 26,052 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The secret police of the GDR was formed in 1950 and within ten years about one in 30 East Germans was a Stasi agent. About a third of the population was under close surveillance at any given time. The methods used to control the population were fairly brutal, with the risk of any transgression ending in torture or death. Neighbours were enouraged to inform on each other, and they kept files on every aspect of peoples lives, from their medical histories to their relationships with colleagues so that they could effectively target their weaknesses should they get any ideas. Kids were brainwashed with schools and programs aimed at terrifying them into a lifetime of conformity.

    Other divisions specialized in espionage, tracking down defectors and smuggling them back to the GDR to almost certain death, identifying potential defectors, and most divisions relied on information fed back from a vast network of informers willing to cast suspicion on neighbours or family members - the innocent or the simply inconvenient.

    Porn was considered the epitome of decaying decadent Western morality, and banned in the GDR. Kind of. The exception was the clutch of 12 porn enthusiasts that grew into a 160 man-strong porn film unit, which produced a dozen films starring enthusiastic (I hope) amateur participants in military scenarios. The actors who participated were generally army civillian employees, and the premieres were attended by military and party bigwigs for whose enjoyment was one of the reasons they had been produced. A perk.

    Apparently the official justification for the productions was the possibility of filming someone watching porn with a view to blackmailing them afterwards.


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 77,192 Mod ✭✭✭✭New Home


    Candie wrote: »
    The secret police of the GDR was formed in 1950 and within ten years about one in 30 East Germans was a Stasi agent. About a third of the population was under close surveillance at any given time. The methods used to control the population were fairly brutal, with the risk of any transgression ending in torture or death. Neighbours were enouraged to inform on each other, and they kept files on every aspect of peoples lives, from their medical histories to their relationships with colleagues so that they could effectively target their weaknesses should they get any ideas. Kids were brainwashed with schools and programs aimed at terrifying them into a lifetime of conformity.

    Other divisions specialized in espionage, tracking down defectors and smuggling them back to the GDR to almost certain death, identifying potential defectors, and most divisions relied on information fed back from a vast network of informers willing to cast suspicion on neighbours or family members - the innocent or the simply inconvenient.

    Porn was considered the epitome of decaying decadent Western morality, and banned in the GDR. Kind of. The exception was the clutch of 12 porn enthusiasts that grew into a 160 man-strong porn film unit, which produced a dozen films starring enthusiastic (I hope) amateur participants in military scenarios. The actors who participated were generally army civillian employees, and the premieres were attended by military and party bigwigs for whose enjoyment was one of the reasons they had been produced. A perk.

    Apparently the official justification for the productions was the possibility of filming someone watching porn with a view to blackmailing them afterwards.

    A great film on the Stasi is "The lives of others", well worth watching. No, it's not porn.


  • Posts: 26,052 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    New Home wrote: »
    A great film on the Stasi is "The lives of others", well worth watching. No, it's not porn.

    Goddamn it, it isn't?!

    I've actually seen it.That was a very good movie!

    When I first watched Chernobyl it brought it to mind immediately. It captured that same bleak greyness that I associate with the Soviet Bloc, after a lifetime of exposure to that grim portrayal.


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