Madeleine McCann

31-07-2020 04:11PM

Montageofhell wrote: »

Ok, were you there or something?

I personally think that particular sarcastic response should carry a thread ban or at the very least a warning.

No-one here was there, everyone is speculating based on what they have read and what they would do in certain circumstances.

Quantum Erasure · 31-07-2020 05:36PM

But that poster is certain of what happened, there was absolutely no luck involved, at all

Day Lewin · 31-07-2020 06:13PM

I ain't never burgled an apartment, or tried to kidnap a sleeping child out of it.

But I can very easily imagine BAD luck - the residents return, the sleeping children wake and screech, the doors are locked, I spill something and leave footprints, I trip in the dark and leave blood from a grazed knee. Or they have a dog! Or a million other things...
of course there was luck involved.

The perpetrator may have acted on impulse - we have no way of knowing. But luck was certainly with him, to have got away with it.

flasher0030 · 31-07-2020 07:17PM

Day Lewin wrote: »

I ain't never burgled an apartment, or tried to kidnap a sleeping child out of it.

But I can very easily imagine BAD luck - the residents return, the sleeping children wake and screech, the doors are locked, I spill something and leave footprints, I trip in the dark and leave blood from a grazed knee. Or they have a dog! Or a million other things...
of course there was luck involved.

The perpetrator may have acted on impulse - we have no way of knowing. But luck was certainly with him, to have got away with it.

That's not the point. The poster was mocking people who said that he may have staked out the area in preparation for carrying out a criminal activity. Mockingly suggesting that maybe be was hiding around in the bushes. Also suggested that he just wandered into that particular apartment without any prior surveillance and nicked a child, and was very lucky to get away with it.

I'm saying that it wasn't due to good luck. That he had planned precisely what would happen. He was a serial thief so would have that frame of mind i.e. surveying opportunities. He could have run into patches of misfortune where something he had planned might go wrong. But it's not just random good luck that he got away with it (Until now anyway).

flasher0030 · 31-07-2020 07:23PM

Day Lewin wrote: »

I ain't never burgled an apartment, or tried to kidnap a sleeping child out of it.

But I can very easily imagine BAD luck - the residents return, the sleeping children wake and screech, the doors are locked, I spill something and leave footprints, I trip in the dark and leave blood from a grazed knee. Or they have a dog! Or a million other things...
of course there was luck involved.

The perpetrator may have acted on impulse - we have no way of knowing. But luck was certainly with him, to have got away with it.

That's the whole point. If you leave all those elements to chance, then there's obviously a good chance he'd be caught. That's why it wasn't just a random target - an impulse burglery. He has surveyed this. Spotted what was happening. Knew the door wasn't locked,focused enough not to spill anything, or leave blood,had proper lighting gear to not trip in the dark and definately knew they hadn't a dog. He may even have planned for a sedative to make sure child doesn't wake.

chooseusername · 31-07-2020 08:18PM

Day Lewin wrote: »

I ain't never burgled an apartment, or tried to kidnap a sleeping child out of it.

But I can very easily imagine BAD luck - the residents return, the sleeping children wake and screech, the doors are locked, I spill something and leave footprints, I trip in the dark and leave blood from a grazed knee. Or they have a dog! Or a million other things...
of course there was luck involved.

The perpetrator may have acted on impulse - we have no way of knowing. But luck was certainly with him, to have got away with it.

You make your own luck,

yourdeadwright · 31-07-2020 08:39PM

flasher0030 wrote: »

That's the whole point. If you leave all those elements to chance, then there's obviously a good chance he'd be caught. That's why it wasn't just a random target - an impulse burglery. He has surveyed this. Spotted what was happening. Knew the door wasn't locked,focused enough not to spill anything, or leave blood,had proper lighting gear to not trip in the dark and definately knew they hadn't a dog. He may even have planned for a sedative to make sure child doesn't wake.

All that is believable, but then if someone goes to all these lengths why would he chose a child that is in a room with 2 other children?

Basically all the effort and stalking gaining knowledge and the whole operation stíl lwould could down to the chance of one of the twins waking and screaming or not?

Just doesn't fit, what the is point of all the preparation if the acutal taking of her would come down to chance in the end,

To me its always been an oportunist kidnapping

Also let's not forget all the times he's been caught doing stupid stuff he doesn't seem that intelligent,
If he did plan it to military precision there no way he just done it once got away with it and stopped which is scary

happyoutscan · 31-07-2020 09:17PM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

All that is believable, but then if someone goes to all these lengths why would he chose a child that is in a room with 2 other children?

Basically all the effort and stalking gaining knowledge and the whole operation stíl lwould could down to the chance of one of the twins waking and screaming or not?

Just doesn't fit, what the is point of all the preparation if the acutal taking of her would come down to chance in the end,

To me its always been an oportunist kidnapping

Also let's not forget all the times he's been caught doing stupid stuff he doesn't seem that intelligent,
If he did plan it to military precision there no way he just done it once got away with it and stopped which is scary

He's hardly going into the room banging a drum. Why should the kids wake? Do yours wake everytime you go into their room?

TheW1zard · 01-08-2020 04:31PM

happyoutscan wrote: »

He's hardly going into the room banging a drum. Why should the kids wake? Do yours wake everytime you go into their room?

Do we all think he went in through the shutters?

happyoutscan · 01-08-2020 05:35PM

TheW1zard wrote: »

Do we all think he went in through the shutters?

I hope not, the door was open.

TheW1zard · 01-08-2020 07:08PM

happyoutscan wrote: »

I hope not, the door was open.

Where does that leave Kates blowy curtains

Kidchameleon · 01-08-2020 07:22PM

Before all the shutter crap starts again... the intruder would have gone in and out the patio door. The shutter would have been opened as a contingency escape route in case one of the adults came back for an unexpected check.

TheW1zard · 01-08-2020 08:40PM

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Before all the shutter crap starts again... the intruder would have gone in and out the patio door. The shutter would have been opened as a contingency escape route in case one of the adults came back for an unexpected check.

Sounds unlikely IMO

Spanish Eyes · 01-08-2020 08:46PM

TheW1zard wrote: »

Where does that leave Kates blowy curtains

The answer is Blowing In The Wind.

We won't know much until the German investigators provide more information isn't that the case now?

Day Lewin · 01-08-2020 09:08PM

After they've dug up the first cellar and covered it over (after removing not much, apparently) there is a second cellar to be investigated.
A thrill a minute!

The lawyer for CB has said "They will find nothing"

And it crosses my mind that the police never actually said that the cache of porn and USB sticks found at a premises once used by CB was actually proven to be his....
At least I can't remember if they said it was definitely his. Though we do know that he video'd the rape and torment of the American woman.

Burying a cache of old contraband is something that any old pervert might do, I suppose.

limnam · 02-08-2020 12:00AM

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Before all the shutter crap starts again... the intruder would have gone in and out the patio door. The shutter would have been opened as a contingency escape route in case one of the adults came back for an unexpected check.

That wouldn't explain the Portuguese police picture showing the curtains pinned behind the bed though...

The opening of those types shutters would also be risky noise wise they make a racket no matter how slowly you do it...

Banana Republic. · 02-08-2020 12:21AM

All opinions are valid until proven otherwise.

happyoutscan · 02-08-2020 06:59AM

Banana Republic. wrote: »

All opinions are valid until proven otherwise.

Some opinions are stupid and shouldn't be put forward st this stage. You know the ones I'm on about.

Kidchameleon · 02-08-2020 07:13AM

Day Lewin wrote: »

And it crosses my mind that the police never actually said that the cache of porn and USB sticks found at a premises once used by CB was actually proven to be his....
At least I can't remember if they said it was definitely his.

There was lots of materiel involving him performing sex acts on himself, so the USB sticks found were definitely his. Also, they were found buried under his dog, on his own property. Doubt they were put there by a randomer.

Kidchameleon · 02-08-2020 07:22AM

limnam wrote: »

That wouldn't explain the Portuguese police picture showing the curtains pinned behind the bed though...

I'm not sure what you mean, the shutters are a few inches away from the curtains, they would not have come in contact with each other under any circumstance?

limnam wrote: »

The opening of those types shutters would also be risky noise wise they make a racket no matter how slowly you do it...

And yet, they were opened. Perhaps a seasoned burglar would have some tricks for opening such mechanisms quietly.

Day Lewin · 02-08-2020 08:04AM

Kidchameleon wrote: »

I'm not sure what you mean, the shutters are a few inches away from the curtains, they would not have come in contact with each other under any circumstance?

And yet, they were opened. Perhaps a seasoned burglar would have some tricks for opening such mechanisms quietly.

Might have just opened the shutters for a quick glance out, a look-around. To check there was nobody in the street.

Kidchameleon · 02-08-2020 08:21AM

Day Lewin wrote: »

Might have just opened the shutters for a quick glance out, a look-around. To check there was nobody in the street.

Absolutely. Also, could the child have been handed out to an accomplice? There are a million and one reasons why those shutters were opened.

happyoutscan · 02-08-2020 09:52AM

Shutters were opened an an escape route if needed. It would have made no sense in using this as an exit with the child when the door was a million miles easier as well as being more discreet.

Banana Republic. · 02-08-2020 08:32PM

https://www.google.com/amp/s/extra.ie/2020/08/02/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-chrisitan-b-sleeping-girls/amp

The list is just getting longer

The positive is that former friends are talking about him and that could lead to further evidence coming forward.

Day Lewin · 03-08-2020 07:48AM

Banana Republic. wrote: »

https://www.google.com/amp/s/extra.ie/2020/08/02/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-chrisitan-b-sleeping-girls/amp

The list is just getting longer The positive is that former friends are talking about him and that could lead to further evidence coming forward.

Ugh, what a nasty beast. Should be locked up forever, or deleted.

Banana Republic. · 03-08-2020 09:12AM

Day Lewin wrote: »

Ugh, what a nasty beast. Should be locked up forever, or deleted.

See it’s a catch 22, needed alive to gain all the information he has about his crimes and needs to be deleted cause he’s not needed on this planet with his evilness.

buttercups88 · 03-08-2020 09:50AM

Banana Republic. wrote: »

https://www.google.com/amp/s/extra.ie/2020/08/02/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-chrisitan-b-sleeping-girls/amp

The list is just getting longer The positive is that former friends are talking about him and that could lead to further evidence coming forward.

So if he was breaking into apartments to do this and this is where his collection of kids swimsuits came from is this what he had planned to do but then saw his opportunity and snatched her

Day Lewin · 03-08-2020 11:02AM

buttercups88 wrote: »

So if he was breaking into apartments to do this and this is where his collection of kids swimsuits came from is this what he had planned to do but then saw his opportunity and snatched her

Actually, that sounds a quite possible scenario. Consistent with known facts.

Banana Republic. · 04-08-2020 09:16AM

buttercups88 wrote: »

So if he was breaking into apartments to do this and this is where his collection of kids swimsuits came from is this what he had planned to do but then saw his opportunity and snatched her

Absolutely it’s fitting within his profile and his online chatter and info from former friends have revealed so it was only a matter of time. If he did take her he’s the most famous abductor ever and isn’t that what they all want in their crazed minds one would think.

TheQuietBeatle · 05-08-2020 07:32PM

Banana Republic. wrote: »

Absolutely it’s fitting within his profile and his online chatter and info from former friends have revealed so it was only a matter of time. If he did take her he’s the most famous abductor ever and isn’t that what they all want in their crazed minds one would think.

Not necessarily, he might enjoy toying with the public and cops more. He thinks in his head they have nothing concrete to put him away.

Madeleine McCann

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