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Madeleine McCann

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  • #3332
    Rock77
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Rock77


    splinter65 wrote: »
    I think “strongly suggest” is underestimating really. Even the few proven facts there are indicate that there’s more chance of Santa Claus being involved then any of them. That was established within the first few years. And I think lots of police from any of the countries would like to have proved that Maddie was harmed by someone she knew. Because that’s the most usual thing. But if there’s no motive or opportunity etc then it’s a dead duck in the water. No point in wasting even more time and money on that.

    We will have to agree to disagree. I don’t think it is impossible that the parents were involved, I don’t think they were and nothing I’ve seen so far indicates to me that they were.

    However, to say that it’s been proved that they are innocent and should not be considered in any investigation is totally incorrect.


  • #3333
    splinter65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Rock77 wrote: »
    We will have to agree to disagree. I don’t think it is impossible that the parents were involved, I don’t think they were and nothing I’ve seen so far indicates to me that they were.

    However, to say that it’s been proved that they are innocent and should not be considered in any investigation is totally incorrect.

    We will indeed agree to disagree. However I would be interested in hearing your theory of how why when where etc they were involved.


  • #3334
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    I don't know if this has been posted here yet, apologies if it has...

    More details emerging about the owner of the phone which connected with Brueckner's on for half an hour the day Maddie went missing...

    A child psychologist by the name of Nicole Fehlinger, an known accomplice of Christian Brueckner in a string of burglaries, is believed to be the owner of the phone.

    https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2020/07/17/revealed-child-therapist-tracked-down-by-olive-press-was-maddie-mccann-suspects-partner-in-crime-in-portugal-as-more-details-unearthed/


  • #3335
    Rock77
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Rock77


    splinter65 wrote: »
    We will indeed agree to disagree. However I would be interested in hearing your theory of how why when where etc they were involved.

    I’ve asked numerous times in this thread for somebody to come up with a theory or timeline that indicates the parents were involved. One person has done this and I think I picked it apart and showed it is highly unlikely or believable that the parents were involved.

    However, correct me if I’m wrong in any of this..

    Kate picks Madeline up at 6, they sit down for dinner with the tapa’s 7 at ?? I can’t remember... 8:30??

    It is not impossible that Madeline could have been killed by accident and put in one of the wells in the area..

    It’s highly unlikely of course and please read my next sentence very carefully Splinter.....

    I do not believe that the McCann parents killed their daughter and disposed of her body, I believe Madeline McCann was abducted from her apt.

    However I do not know what happened, either do you, and since we are talking about an official police investigation I think they have to look at every possibility (and I believe they are)


  • #3336
    Banana Republic.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    splinter65 wrote: »
    Clement Freud was high up at the time in what?
    I can’t see what “bias” you are attaching to the McCanns being appointed a liaison officer. It’s the UK policy for UK citizens kidnapped abroad. Below is evidence from their policy book for UK citizens travelling abroad.
    There’s no point in pretending they got preferential treatment, they didn’t.
    If Sutton was retired before the creation of Operation Grange then why is he important.

    High up in politics I believe so he has a bit of pull. The amount of help the Mc Canns got including media was very very different to 99% of the children missing cases in the world. Sutton is obviously important with his interview with Sky News, go watch it if you haven’t before.


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  • #3337
    Banana Republic.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    dark crystal wrote: »
    He wasn't given colour to paint anything, as he wasn't asked to head up the investigation at all. Operation Grange was not set up until well after he retired from the Met police.

    In fairness to the German police force, I believe it is not just Madeleine's disappearance they are working on, but a number of other child disappearances that they believe CB may have been involved in as well. We don't know what they may have found on the USB stick discovered on CB's property, so they may have evidence related to other suspected crimes that the British police have no hand or part in.

    Again, I'm just speculating here, as we don't know what evidence the German police are working off for sure and what leads they have not only on the Madeleine case, but other cases also.

    He wouldn’t of spoke about it if he wasn’t going to be offered the case that’s what I’m talking about. At the time it looked like he was going to be offered it but by the time it actually started he was retired but that’s only café’s the Operation was later being set up then he thought first.


  • #3338
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,255 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Can I ask what CB is in prison for and how long has he been there? What is the basis of his European appeal?

    With regards to being recognised, it’s really a strange one. Constantly see social media sightings of people like Larry Murphy but I wouldn’t know him from Adam.


  • #3339
    Banana Republic.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    joeguevara wrote: »
    Can I ask what CB is in prison for and how long has he been there? What is the basis of his European appeal?

    With regards to being recognised, it’s really a strange one. Constantly see social media sightings of people like Larry Murphy but I wouldn’t know him from Adam.

    Brueckner is currently in prison for drug dealing, and is appealing a 2005 conviction for the rape of a 72-year-old American woman in Praia da Luz which earned him a seven year prison sentence. Across Europe he has picked up 17 convictions including sex offences against children, theft and forgery


  • #3340
    MonsterCookie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 959 ✭✭✭MonsterCookie


    joeguevara wrote: »
    Can I ask what CB is in prison for and how long has he been there? What is the basis of his European appeal?

    With regards to being recognised, it’s really a strange one. Constantly see social media sightings of people like Larry Murphy but I wouldn’t know him from Adam.

    he's appealing on the basis that he was extradited for a different offence. I can't imagine the ECJ will set him free, and wonder is this partly why the Germans have put him in the frame (rightly or wrongly) they don't want him walking.


  • #3341
    buttercups88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 764 ✭✭✭buttercups88


    joeguevara wrote: »
    Can I ask what CB is in prison for and how long has he been there? What is the basis of his European appeal?

    With regards to being recognised, it’s really a strange one. Constantly see social media sightings of people like Larry Murphy but I wouldn’t know him from Adam.

    He is appealing his conviction for the rape of an elderly woman in the same resort madeleine disappeared from. The appeal is based on an error the Portuguese made on the extradition papers, I believe they only mentioned the drugs convictions and omitted the rape one.


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  • #3342
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,255 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Banana Republic. wrote: »
    Brueckner is currently in prison for drug dealing, and is appealing a 2005 conviction for the rape of a 72-year-old American woman in Praia da Luz which earned him a seven year prison sentence. Across Europe he has picked up 17 convictions including sex offences against children, theft and forgery

    And he is a suspect in the Madeleine case. It is rare that a person would have a mixture of offences but not unheard of. If he is released it could be a blessing as much more likely to be investigated and pressure put on him. Rarely a person in prison gets the same rigour.


  • #3343
    Banana Republic.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    joeguevara wrote: »
    And he is a suspect in the Madeleine case. It is rare that a person would have a mixture of offences but not unheard of. If he is released it could be a blessing as much more likely to be investigated and pressure put on him. Rarely a person in prison gets the same rigour.

    He’d be free to offend again so he’s best in the dark and maybe try strike a deal with the law if he was involved in Madeline case. Hard to know which is best but the woman who was raped doesn’t want him free and out in the real world. It seems they have enough without having to use CB, just if his contacts know he won’t be released that may free their tongues.


  • #3344
    buttercups88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 764 ✭✭✭buttercups88


    joeguevara wrote: »
    And he is a suspect in the Madeleine case. It is rare that a person would have a mixture of offences but not unheard of. If he is released it could be a blessing as much more likely to be investigated and pressure put on him. Rarely a person in prison gets the same rigour.

    This was explained in the Australian documentary that he isn't a paedophile as such but a physcopath who gets off on the vulnerable


  • #3345
    splinter65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Rock77 wrote: »
    I’ve asked numerous times in this thread for somebody to come up with a theory or timeline that indicates the parents were involved. One person has done this and I think I picked it apart and showed it is highly unlikely or believable that the parents were involved.

    However, correct me if I’m wrong in any of this..

    Kate picks Madeline up at 6, they sit down for dinner with the tapa’s 7 at ?? I can’t remember... 8:30??

    It is not impossible that Madeline could have been killed by accident and put in one of the wells in the area..

    It’s highly unlikely of course and please read my next sentence very carefully Splinter.....

    I do not believe that the McCann parents killed their daughter and disposed of her body, I believe Madeline McCann was abducted from her apt.

    However I do not know what happened, either do you, and since we are talking about an official police investigation I think they have to look at every possibility (and I believe they are)

    I follow you but then you have to follow through and explain:

    1. Why her parents didn’t cry for help/seek assistance when she suffered her accident
    2. How did they, holiday makers who had barely left the immediate confines of the apartment complex during the break, know where to find a well, and bring her there in broad daylight unseen by anyone else suffering from the tremendous trauma of finding your child dead.
    3. In order to find your child, conceived through IVF after much heartache, dead, not react like a normal person and call for help, take her tiny body, dump it in a well, and return to your friends, smile laugh joke eat and drink and act completely normal for 90 minutes before pretending to find her missing, and then react, would require them both to be mentally deranged in some way.
    4. Why have they never stopped their relentless pursuit of Madeleine ever since? Would they not have just gone home and quietly let it drop?


  • #3346
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    buttercups88 wrote: »
    This was explained in the Australian documentary that he isn't a paedophile as such but a physcopath who gets off on the vulnerable

    Yeah, they explained that for him he isn’t actually specifically sexually interested in children, he’s interested in dominating and abusing weak, vulnerable people who are powerless to defend themselves against him.
    Hence why he targets elderly women and small little children. Apparently it’s a really common criminal crossover, which I had no idea about.
    It’s horrific to even think about.


  • #3347
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,255 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Banana Republic. wrote: »
    He’d be free to offend again so he’s best in the dark and maybe try strike a deal with the law if he was involved in Madeline case. Hard to know which is best but the woman who was raped doesn’t want him free and out in the real world. It seems they have enough without having to use CB, just if his contacts know he won’t be released that may free their tongues.

    Absolutely vile. Never liked that side of the law when I practiced. One thing that stands out from what the last few posts have said is that he gets caught quite often. Makes you think that he needed a partner. I’d be very interested in knowing the person that called him. Was there any criminal partner in the other offences. He sounds like he deserves everything he gets in any case.


  • #3348
    splinter65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Banana Republic. wrote: »
    High up in politics I believe so he has a bit of pull. The amount of help the Mc Canns got including media was very very different to 99% of the children missing cases in the world. Sutton is obviously important with his interview with Sky News, go watch it if you haven’t before.

    Freud had been retired from politics for over 20 years before Madeleine went missing and he wasn’t a very important politician (he was never in the government) even when he was one so he had no “pull”.
    I don’t know about other nationalities but if you are a UK citizen and you are abroad and one of you is kidnapped then you get sent a family liaison officer. That’s what is says in that official government leaflet I supplied a link to.
    Dark Crystal has explained Sutton’s position in this case here on this thread several times.
    It’s all here in these pages.


  • #3349
    buttercups88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 764 ✭✭✭buttercups88


    joeguevara wrote: »
    Absolutely vile. Never liked that side of the law when I practiced. One thing that stands out from what the last few posts have said is that he gets caught quite often. Makes you think that he needed a partner. I’d be very interested in knowing the person that called him. Was there any criminal partner in the other offences. He sounds like he deserves everything he gets in any case.

    A lot of reports today claiming the person he called was his girlfriend at the time. A German woman with children herself who claimed to be a child psychologist who ran a programme in Luz for troubled teenagers. But is said to have helped him commit burglaries, one where they stole €100,000.

    She is now working as a hotel receptionist, could she have possibly worked in the ocean club or had contacts there and have known the movements of the group?


  • #3350
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,255 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    Yeah, they explained that for him he isn’t actually specifically sexually interested in children, he’s interested in dominating and abusing weak, vulnerable people who are powerless to defend themselves against him.
    Hence why he targets elderly women and small little children. Apparently it’s a really common criminal crossover, which I had no idea about.
    It’s horrific to even think about.

    I wouldn’t have heard of it either but the majority of every sexual offence is more about control and bullying rather any gratification.


  • #3351
    Banana Republic.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    joeguevara wrote: »
    Absolutely vile. Never liked that side of the law when I practiced. One thing that stands out from what the last few posts have said is that he gets caught quite often. Makes you think that he needed a partner. I’d be very interested in knowing the person that called him. Was there any criminal partner in the other offences. He sounds like he deserves everything he gets in any case.

    Did you read the piece a few pages back about a Nicole partner in Portugal? Helped break into houses and could be the link for that phonecall.


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  • #3352
    Banana Republic.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    splinter65 wrote: »
    Freud had been retired from politics for over 20 years before Madeleine went missing and he wasn’t a very important politician (he was never in the government) even when he was one so he had no “pull”.
    I don’t know about other nationalities but if you are a UK citizen and you are abroad and one of you is kidnapped then you get sent a family liaison officer. That’s what is says in that official government leaflet I supplied a link to.
    Dark Crystal has explained Sutton’s position in this case here on this thread several times.
    It’s all here in these pages.

    Well my view is different from other posters in which I’m entitled to and nobody is the oracle here. Yea I thought he was high up in that at the time but that’s fair enough.


  • #3353
    Rock77
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Rock77


    splinter65 wrote: »
    I follow you but then you have to follow through and explain:

    1. Why her parents didn’t cry for help/seek assistance when she suffered her accident
    2. How did they, holiday makers who had barely left the immediate confines of the apartment complex during the break, know where to find a well, and bring her there in broad daylight unseen by anyone else suffering from the tremendous trauma of finding your child dead.
    3. In order to find your child, conceived through IVF after much heartache, dead, not react like a normal person and call for help, take her tiny body, dump it in a well, and return to your friends, smile laugh joke eat and drink and act completely normal for 90 minutes before pretending to find her missing, and then react, would require them both to be mentally deranged in some way.
    4. Why have they never stopped their relentless pursuit of Madeleine ever since? Would they not have just gone home and quietly let it drop?

    All valid points and these are reasons along with a lot of other reasons why I don’t believe the parents had anything to do with it.

    However that’s not what we were talking about, is it.

    We were talking about whether or not the police should bother investigating the parents. Should the police presume the parents are innocent for the reasons you listed above.? Certainly not.


  • #3354
    Rock77
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Rock77


    Banana Republic. wrote: »
    High up in politics I believe so he has a bit of pull. The amount of help the Mc Canns got including media was very very different to 99% of the children missing cases in the world. Sutton is obviously important with his interview with Sky News, go watch it if you haven’t before.

    A bit of pull to do what exactly? In the context you are saying that he would have a bit of pull to tell the police not to investigate the parents??

    Sounds beyond far fetched to be honest.


  • #3355
    Banana Republic.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    Rock77 wrote: »
    A bit of pull to do what exactly? In the context you are saying that he would have a bit of pull to tell the police not to investigate the parents??

    Sounds beyond far fetched to be honest.

    Well it’s been explained that he didn’t have “pull” but if he did my thinking was he knew ppl in high places so they would get better help and bigger pulling power from authorities.


  • #3356
    Rock77
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Rock77


    Banana Republic. wrote: »
    Well it’s been explained that he didn’t have “pull” but if he did my thinking was he knew ppl in high places so they would get better help and bigger pulling power from authorities.

    Yeah I hear you but bigger pulling power from authorities to do what? To persuade a whole police force to ignore suspects in a missing child case..


  • #3357
    Leftwaffe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,558 ✭✭✭Leftwaffe


    https://twitter.com/mwilliamsthomas/status/1284601345345978381?s=21

    https://twitter.com/mwilliamsthomas/status/1284600463669825536?s=21

    It seems Mark Williams Thomas linked the CB phone call that night to another paedophile.


  • #3358
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,255 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    I had a crazy flashback just there reading some of the stuff here. Just after the abduction and reports of huge charitable donations to the McCann fund, a report came from Newcastle I think of a similar abduction and the parents went public. Their child found hidden under the bed.

    I just hope with the increase in current focus on the case, there will be breakthroughs.


  • #3359
    Banana Republic.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    Rock77 wrote: »
    Yeah I hear you but bigger pulling power from authorities to do what? To persuade a whole police force to ignore suspects in a missing child case..

    No no to get a bigger search net and attention into their missing child that very very few can acquire if their child went missing, for example a poorer family without the standing in life like Doctors and all their professional friends. The question begs why they got bigger attention then almost any case in history in relation to the amount of children that go missing every year. I would love to know how, doesn’t have to be sinister just a wondering if how they acquired this attention so quick.


  • #3360
    Banana Republic.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    Redordeadqwwer wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/mwilliamsthomas/status/1284601345345978381?s=21

    https://twitter.com/mwilliamsthomas/status/1284600463669825536?s=21

    It seems Mark Williams Thomas linked the CB phone call that night to another paedophile.

    That line of enquiry is hotting up by the day now with yesterday’s links with his Ex partner and fellow looter now a link to a convo with a Peado friend in the hour before Madeleine went missing, these three could of planned this together and a couple is far less likely to be stopped driving away or remembered then all the information given to the public of a lone man carrying a child, hopefully these outings with help jog peoples memories who were there at the time it happened.


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  • #3361
    buttercups88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 764 ✭✭✭buttercups88


    joeguevara wrote: »
    I had a crazy flashback just there reading some of the stuff here. Just after the abduction and reports of huge charitable donations to the McCann fund, a report came from Newcastle I think of a similar abduction and the parents went public. Their child found hidden under the bed.

    I just hope with the increase in current focus on the case, there will be breakthroughs.

    I think you mean the Shannon Matthews case where her mother arranged the "abduction" with a friend in order to get donations. They both received hefty prison sentences. The child was found after a week or so hidden in the friends house under the bed.


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