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Madeleine McCann

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  • #2642
    buttercups88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 764 ✭✭✭buttercups88


    You can not get a warrant to search a private property without good reason.


  • #2643
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,130 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    buttercups88 wrote: »
    You can not get a warrant to search a private property without good reason.

    Missing child sounds like good reason to me.


  • #2644
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Amazing isn't it that the FUND did not search out wells in the vicinity.


    I would highly recommend everyone check the excellent Maddie podcast series. There's an episode that deep dives into the Maddie Fund and interviews an Irish accountant who has examined their accounts thoroughly

    Short version is the vast majority of the millions they made was squandered or can't be accounted for. They also paid off their mortgage with it, using the excuse that neither of them were working as they were fully focused on finding their daughter. You know, that daughter they left alone with two babies while they went on the piss

    They also registered it as a limited company and not as a Charity. As a limited company they have to divulge far less of their records than they would have to if they were a Charity

    Nah, nothing strange about that at all

    A dodgy, dodgy couple of chancers, regardless of whether the poor girl is found this week or not


  • #2645
    buttercups88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 764 ✭✭✭buttercups88


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Missing child sounds like good reason to me.

    So youre saying if a child went missing in your area and guards decided to dig up everyone's back gardens in a 20km radius with no evidence to suggest she was there you would allow this to happen. (Besring in mind you're saying this should have been done at the beginning before C.B was a suspect and knew what they do now)


  • #2646
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,130 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    buttercups88 wrote: »
    So youre saying if a child went missing in your area and guards decided to dig up everyone's back gardens in a 20km radius with no evidence to suggest she was there you would allow this to happen. (Besring in mind you're saying this should have been done at the beginning before C.B was a suspect and knew what they do now)

    Yep, if my child went missing I would.


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  • #2647
    Garlinge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 591 ✭✭✭Garlinge


    He may well have disposed of the body. But this does not necessarily mean he was responsible for her death.


  • #2648
    buttercups88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 764 ✭✭✭buttercups88


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Yep, if my child went missing I would.



    But if it wasn't your child, some random child and thye wanted to dig up your entire garden with no reason at all to believe she was there and no warrant to search


  • #2649
    splinter65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Garlinge wrote: »
    He may well have disposed of the body. But this does not necessarily mean he was responsible for her death.

    This is an interesting theory. If you think that he may have possibly disposed of Madeleines body but not be responsible for her death, then you must have a theory as to who may have been responsible, and why, and when and where she died, and how all this would have played out...no?


  • #2650
    the_pen_turner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,695 ✭✭✭the_pen_turner


    buttercups88 wrote: »
    So youre saying if a child went missing in your area and guards decided to dig up everyone's back gardens in a 20km radius with no evidence to suggest she was there you would allow this to happen. (Besring in mind you're saying this should have been done at the beginning before C.B was a suspect and knew what they do now)

    there is a big diference between digging up back gardens and looking in a well. there would be no reason to suspect anything unless the ground was disturbed.

    checking a well would be a fairly straightforward job that wouldnt inconvenience any home owners.
    i cant see why anyone would refuse . leave aside helping to find a missing child wouldnt you want to make sure your well wasnt interfeered with and your water compromised.


  • #2651
    MonsterCookie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 959 ✭✭✭MonsterCookie


    the_pen_turner wrote: »
    there is a big diference between digging up back gardens and looking in a well. there would be no reason to suspect anything unless the ground was disturbed.

    checking a well would be a fairly straightforward job that wouldnt inconvenience any home owners.
    i cant see why anyone would refuse . leave aside helping to find a missing child wouldnt you want to make sure your well wasnt interfeered with and your water compromised.

    But seriously, there are hundreds of wells in the area. Doesn’t surprise me at all that many weren’t searched. There was nothing at the time to draw them to CB and the property afaik. So why would you think these wells would have been searched??


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  • #2652
    the_pen_turner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,695 ✭✭✭the_pen_turner


    MonsterCookie wrote: »
    But seriously, there are hundreds of wells in the area. Doesn’t surprise me at all that many weren’t searched. There was nothing at the time to draw them to CB and the property afaik. So why would you think these wells would have been searched??

    im not saying that they should all have been checked. im saying that if the police asked to check your well you would be stupid to stop them .


  • #2653
    MonsterCookie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 959 ✭✭✭MonsterCookie


    the_pen_turner wrote: »
    im not saying that they should all have been checked. im saying that if the police asked to check your well you would be stupid to stop them .

    Ah, totally agree with you.

    I think it was another poster who said she thought all wells should have been searched at the time.

    Cant help thinking this is the beginning of the end but it could Still be some time before the family get closure.


  • #2654
    Banana Republic.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    Garlinge wrote: »
    He may well have disposed of the body. But this does not necessarily mean he was responsible for her death.

    So your theory to support that? A convicted Peado, burglar and rapist disposed off her body but wasn’t responsible for her death? So he basically got a call to go collect a dead child and be trusted to dispose of the body? Intriguing to hear this one.


  • #2655
    buttercups88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 764 ✭✭✭buttercups88


    Regarding checking the wells its not a case of just looking into them. Most of them are surrounded by overgrowth, some are covered in as well so that all has to be cleared away. Then it takes a team of firefighters several hours to erect a lowering device, then specialist divers have to be lowered down and go through several feet of grime and sludge. So if they had begun to check every well in the area at the beginning they probably would still be working their way through them.

    Now that they have received a credible tip saying C.B camper was seen in the area these wells are in they have a reason to search them.

    https://mol.im/a/8513163


  • #2656
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    Some wells were definitely searched at the time of the disappearance, I have seen footage of that in the news. Its impossible to find a link backing that up as all searches for "McCann + Wells" now brings up the current searches. But it definitely did happen.


  • #2657
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Some wells were definitely searched at the time of the disappearance, I have seen footage of that in the news. Its impossible to find a link backing that up as all searches for "McCann + Wells" now brings up the current searches. But it definitely did happen.


    You can adjust timelines in google so it will only search specific years


    If you adjust closer to 2007 you find things like



    "Just 875 yards from where Madeleine McCann disappeared – an abandoned well that police failed to search"


  • #2658
    Day Lewin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,874 ✭✭✭Day Lewin


    limnam wrote: »
    You can adjust timelines in google so it will only search specific years


    If you adjust closer to 2007 you find things like



    "Just 875 yards from where Madeleine McCann disappeared – an abandoned well that police failed to search"

    That's about half a mile.
    I wonder who posted that tag? Somebody who owned or knew of a property within a half-mile radius with a well that wasn't searched?


  • #2659
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,174 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    british-tourists-look-down-a-well-while-searching-for-the-missing.jpg
    MAY 08: British tourists look down a well while searching for the missing three-year-old girl Madeleine McCann in wasteland on May 8, 2007 outside the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz in Portugal.

    At least somebody had a look while Amaral was having another lunch. I find it a bit weird that in all the thousands of press photos and TV coverage at the time, there is not a single one of Amaral on the scene at any time.


  • #2660
    Banana Republic.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    cnocbui wrote: »
    british-tourists-look-down-a-well-while-searching-for-the-missing.jpg



    At least somebody had a look while Amaral was having another lunch. I find it a bit weird that in all the thousands of press photos and TV coverage at the time, there is not a single one of Amaral on the scene at any time.

    It’s not a Photoshoot investigation, PJ were very private with their investigation as is well known, that’s the culture reported in law terms in Portugal. Amaral could be an investigator who does more office work based investigation where he has other investigators better at scene investigation, just shows he stayed under the radar at the time.


  • #2661
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,174 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Banana Republic. wrote: »
    It’s not a Photoshoot investigation, PJ were very private with their investigation as is well known, that’s the culture reported in law terms in Portugal. Amaral could be an investigator who does more office work based investigation where he has other investigators better at scene investigation, just shows he stayed under the radar at the time.

    Lol.
    He has 3-hour boozy lunches, works only four hours a day and has openly accused Kate & Gerry of killing their daughter.. this is the cop leading the hunt for Madeleine.. IT'S JUST SICKENING
    30 September 2007
    The Sunday Mirror
    Grant Hodgson

    EXCLUSIVE THE SEARCH FOR MADELEINE DAY 150

    Puffing on a cigarette and knocking back beers, the man leading the world's biggest missing child inquiry enjoys yet another long, boozy lunch.

    Portuguese police chief Goncalo Amaral worked as little as four-and-a--half hours a day this week - despite a mountain of uninvestigated sightings of Madeleine McCann on his desk.

    The Sunday Mirror has discovered that 252 possible tip-offs about the four-year-old have been reported to Amaral, any one of which might just lead to her being traced. But the vast majority have not even been checked.

    Amaral, in charge of a squad of 30 detectives, has convinced himself she is dead, despite having no evidence for it.

    And since the return from Portugal of Kate and Gerry McCann and most of the media covering the case, many in his squad have had their feet up, their main role seemingly to provide drinking companions for their boss.

    The McCanns, who cling to the hope of getting Madeleine back, will be appalled that the inquiry - supposedly still running at full-steam - has effectively stopped amid a welter of boozy lunch breaks.

    A source close to the family said: "It is devastating for them to know leads are not being chased up. They always feared that once they left Portugal, the inquiry would peter out."

    On Wednesday, when the world was praying that a little girl seen in Morocco may be Madeleine, Amaral and his team seemed utterly uninterested and left it to the British media to establish it was a false alarm.

    He instead enjoyed a twohour 10 minute lunch washed down with wine. The next day was a similar tale - lunch lasted two-and-a-half hours. And on Friday he was gone for more than three.
    Daily Mail, 9 June 2007
    ...Senior police officers involved in the investigation were seen laughing and joking as images of the missing four-year-old and her desperate parents appeared on a restaurant TV screen. It happened at a lunch lasting nearly two hours as Kate and Gerry McCann were away campaigning in Europe. They laughed and cracked jokes as they enjoyed a meal washed down with wine and whisky - as footage of the couple played in the background. Afterwards, they left a table littered with empty glasses - and went back to work...
    Daily Telegraph 26 May 2007 Fiona Govan

    Rarely observed at the scene of Madeleine's abduction or available for comment, those leading the investigation have frequently been spotted lunching at the Carvi seafood restaurant in Portimão.
    8 June 2007
    The Sun
    Lucy Hagan

    The cop leading the Maddie hunt was blasted yesterday after he and two colleagues spent two hours boozing - at lunchtime.

    Chief inspector Olegario Sousa downed wine and whisky with fellow Portuguese officers as a restaurant TV screened Maddie's anguished parents at a Berlin press conference.

    A British snapper was ARRESTED after he spotted Wednesday's long lunch in the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz, where Maddie vanished.

    He was held at a police station for four hours and had his camera confiscated. An onlooker told how Sousa - who has appeared on TV fronting the inquiry - relaxed with officers including detective Goncalo Amaral.

    The witness said:


    "When I left, one was still slumped in his chair." Asked whether it was acceptable for cops to drink wine and whisky at lunch, Sousa insisted yesterday: "It is my free time. What does it have to do with you what I drink or what I eat?

    "I drink what I want to drink when I can drink. Have you seen anyone drunk? Have you seen any action deterred by that?"



    Hard at work, keeping a low profile. More like beyond radar range if you ask me, but believe what you want.


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  • #2662
    MonkieSocks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,393 ✭✭✭MonkieSocks


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    I would highly
    Short version is the vast majority of the millions they made was squandered or can't be accounted for. They also paid off their mortgage with it

    Their Mortgage was paid for two months from the fund, July & August 2007.

    They weren't working as they were still in Portugal

    Two months only.

    This was paid back into the fund by The McCanns.

    They also put in £85,00 boost to royalties from her mother's book into the fund.

    =(:-) Me? I know who I am. I'm a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude (-:)=



  • #2663
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    MonkieSocks wrote: »
    Their Mortgage was paid for two months from the fund, July & August 2007.

    They weren't working as they were still in Portugal

    Two months only.

    This was paid back into the fund by The McCanns.

    They also put in £85,00 boost to royalties from her mother's book into the fund.


    Ah, the alerts must have gone off in the Pro McCann whatsapp group


    And the rest of the 4 Million pounds in that fund? Maybe you'd like to break down where the rest of that went?



    https://twitter.com/McCannCaseTweet/status/1174384917410500609

    The episode in question of this excellent podcast https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/red-flags/id1453778697?i=1000431003296


  • #2664
    Banana Republic.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    Ah, the alerts must have gone off in the Pro McCann whatsapp group


    And the rest of the 4 Million pounds in that fund? Maybe you'd like to break down where the rest of that went?



    https://twitter.com/McCannCaseTweet/status/1174384917410500609

    The episode in question of this excellent podcast https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/red-flags/id1453778697?i=1000431003296

    Spent last week listening to them all, it was huge to listen to and very well worth it.


  • #2665
    happyoutscan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,636 ✭✭✭happyoutscan


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    Ah, the alerts must have gone off in the Pro McCann whatsapp group


    And the rest of the 4 Million pounds in that fund? Maybe you'd like to break down where the rest of that went?



    https://twitter.com/McCannCaseTweet/status/1174384917410500609

    The episode in question of this excellent podcast https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/red-flags/id1453778697?i=1000431003296

    Taken from the McCannCaseTweet bio: 'My followers do not believe Kate & Gerry McCann.'

    That indicates to me that their followers are morons.

    It doesn't bother me that they don't clarify their accounts. Especially when it gets the 'Anti-McCanns' tinfoil hats fluttering away.


  • #2666
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    Banana Republic. wrote: »
    Spent last week listening to them all, it was huge to listen to and very well worth it.


    When other podcasts I follow get a bit stale I give it a re-listen. I've done it 3 times now and it still presents things I missed last time

    Such an incredibly well put together piece of media. You can tell he put months of work into it


  • #2667
    Banana Republic.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    When other podcasts I follow get a bit stale I give it a re-listen. I've done it 3 times now and it still presents things I missed last time

    Such an incredibly well put together piece of media. You can tell he put months of work into it

    That’s a great idea. I know none of them are on absolute point but it’s excellently put together.


  • #2668
    MonkieSocks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,393 ✭✭✭MonkieSocks


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    Ah, the alerts must have gone off in the Pro McCann whatsapp group

    LOL :p


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    AAnd the rest of the 4 Million pounds in that fund? Maybe you'd like to break down where the rest of that went?

    What 4 Million?

    Did you see this 4 million in the annual audit

    =(:-) Me? I know who I am. I'm a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude (-:)=



  • #2669
    dark crystal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    As if anyone with half a brain cannot see that podcast for the hit piece it really is.

    Fawning over interviews with convicted liar Amaral and then going on to question the McCann's integrity. You couldn't make it up! :pac:


  • #2670
    splinter65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    The recent events in Portugal have really rattled the posters here who are desperate that the German not be found to have abducted and murdered Madeleine.
    I’ve just had one of them PMing me threatening me that they’ll report me to get me banned again! How lonely and sad does a person have to be? They even went to the bother of creating a whole new account just to send me a couple of messages!!
    I think most of these people have mental health issues to some degree.
    I think that joining mindlessly in with the lynch mob all those years ago gave some very lonely vulnerable people the sensation of being part of a gang for the first time in their very narrow lives and if it looks now as if it’s all been a huge mistake then their going to feel as if they’ve been robbed in some way. You have to feel sorry for some extent.
    It was never about “justice for Madeleine” either for them. Madeleine, what happened to her, finding her abductor, was never important. It was all about persecuting the McCanns in particular Kate. The opportunity to be the bully, inflict the pain, with no fear of any consequences.
    Sad creatures. As I said, you have to pity them.


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  • #2671
    happyoutscan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,636 ✭✭✭happyoutscan


    splinter65 wrote: »
    The recent events in Portugal have really rattled the posters here who are desperate that the German not be found to have abducted and murdered Madeleine.
    I’ve just had one of them PMing me threatening me that they’ll report me to get me banned again! How lonely and sad does a person have to be? They even went to the bother of creating a whole new account just to send me a couple of messages!!
    I think most of these people have mental health issues to some degree.
    I think that joining mindlessly in with the lynch mob all those years ago gave some very lonely vulnerable people the sensation of being part of a gang for the first time in their very narrow lives and if it looks now as if it’s all been a huge mistake then their going to feel as if they’ve been robbed in some way. You have to feel sorry for some extent.
    It was never about “justice for Madeleine” either for them. Madeleine, what happened to her, finding her abductor, was never important. It was all about persecuting the McCanns in particular Kate. The opportunity to be the bully, inflict the pain, with no fear of any consequences.
    Sad creatures. As I said, you have to pity them.

    Agreed.

    Except for the 'pity them' part.


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