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Should we drop Proportional Representation
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Sam Russell wrote: »I would assume if electronic counting was in place that each ballot paper would be shown to a person on a screen who would verify that the machine read numbers was as per the ballot paper. This would be done for each and every paper. If the correct values go into the system, then that is the job done.
Yes I did misunderstand that part
You could even have the voter do this check themselves. They fill in a voting slip and scan it, the screen displays what the machine thinks the vote is, voter either presses a button to agree and electronically cast the vote, then places the paper slip into a ballot box - or else disagrees and scans it again or asks for the polling clerk to assist.
But you still have the problem that essentially the votes are going into a black box with no actual assurance that they're counted correctly unless a full manual count is also done.
I don't think the marginal advantage of having fractional surplus transfers is worth the effort and cost involved. As for speed, a correct result which is trustworthy and can be seen at every step to be trustworthy is a lot more important than a fast result.Sam Russell wrote: »Well, all paper based systems suffer from, for example, possible ballot stuffing - fill the ballot box up with your preferences prior to the first vote being counted - a favourite of many dictators across the globe.
Electronic voting makes that trivial, you no longer need hundreds or thousands of loyal conspirators who can be relied upon to keep their mouths shut, just a small team or in theory one person.Then there is voter suppression - a favourite of Republican States in the USA.
Nothing to do with the system of vote casting or vote counting though.Another trick is to prevent the opponents even standing.
As above.Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.
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Hotblack Desiato wrote: »Yes I did misunderstand that part
You could even have the voter do this check themselves. They fill in a voting slip and scan it, the screen displays what the machine thinks the vote is, voter either presses a button to agree and electronically cast the vote, then places the paper slip into a ballot box - or else disagrees and scans it again or asks for the polling clerk to assist.
But you still have the problem that essentially the votes are going into a black box with no actual assurance that they're counted correctly unless a full manual count is also done.
I don't think the marginal advantage of having fractional surplus transfers is worth the effort and cost involved. As for speed, a correct result which is trustworthy and can be seen at every step to be trustworthy is a lot more important than a fast result.
Electronic voting makes that trivial, you no longer need hundreds or thousands of loyal conspirators who can be relied upon to keep their mouths shut, just a small team or in theory one person.
Nothing to do with the system of vote casting or vote counting though.
As above.
I agree with all your points, however:
Having the voter verify their vote as cast is exactly as shown on the screen. Now we know the vote is entered correctly. That is good.
Next, in my original post, I suggested that the Irish Universities political depts would provide and maintain the sftware in return for access to annonimised raw data. If that was so, any hanky panky with the result woud be discovered very quickly. Now we know the result is correct.
All that is left is to make sure the blood sport element and drama is preserved.0 -
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