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Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

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  • #4802
    ShamNNspace
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,916 ✭✭✭ShamNNspace


    I'm afraid I can't see the present government laying much of a hand on them given that they'll want them onside given the hard Road that definitely lies ahead. The Covid bill will have to be paid somehow. Montrose will continue living beyond their means on our buck going forward


  • #4803
    mgn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,904 ✭✭✭mgn


    RTE is accountable to no one, the can do what the like as long as the play ball with government the know the government cheque is always waiting for them.
    Like before this covid 19 Richard Bruton was on the 6.1 News every night telling us how we were going to be leaders in climate change and after that Greta the great got her daily slot, always pushing the government agenda.

    Did any Minister ask why the whole sports department were kept on full pay for the last 3 months and no sport, not likely.


  • #4804
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    mgn wrote: »
    RTE is accountable to no one, the can do what the like as long as the play ball with government the know the government cheque is always waiting for them.
    Like before this covid 19 Richard Bruton was on the 6.1 News every night telling us how we were going to be leaders in climate change and after that Greta the great got her daily slot, always pushing the government agenda.

    Did any Minister ask why the whole sports department were kept on full pay for the last 3 months and no sport, not likely.

    RTÉ are accountable to the Broadcasting Authority of Ireland


  • #4805
    mgn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,904 ✭✭✭mgn


    Elmo wrote: »
    RTÉ are accountable to the Broadcasting Authority of Ireland

    Well if the are, there not doing their job either,


  • #4806
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,955 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Elmo wrote: »
    RTÉ are accountable to the Broadcasting Authority of Ireland


    Thats similar to saying that the Banks where accountable to Central Bank prior to the crash!!


    The Broadcasting Authority has been asleep at the wheel for many many years


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  • #4807
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Thats similar to saying that the Banks where accountable to Central Bank prior to the crash!!


    The Broadcasting Authority has been asleep at the wheel for many many years

    True but just pointing out that RTÉ are accountable to them much like the other broadcasters.


  • #4808
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,955 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Elmo wrote: »
    True but just pointing out that RTÉ are accountable to them much like the other broadcasters.


    Both are accountable to the Government who at some stage needs to step in and put a handle on it


  • #4809
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Both are accountable to the Government who at some stage needs to step in and put a handle on it

    The government can't be seen to tell RTÉ what to do that is why RTÉ have a board established by the Oireachtas and why the Department has the Broadcasting Authority of Ireland.

    The Oireachatas Committee needs to have a frank and intelligent discussion with RTÉ, TG4 and Screen Ireland.

    The Minister and her department needs to have a frank and intelligent discussion with the BAI.

    From this the BAI with RTÉ and TG4 need to examine and outline their roles in line with a public service.

    While Screen Ireland may need to have oversight from the Arts Council.


  • #4810
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,955 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Elmo wrote: »
    The government can't be seen to tell RTÉ what to do that is why RTÉ have a board established by the Oireachtas and why the Department has the Broadcasting Authority of Ireland.

    The Oireachatas Committee needs to have a frank and intelligent discussion with RTÉ, TG4 and Screen Ireland.

    The Minister and her department needs to have a frank and intelligent discussion with the BAI.

    From this the BAI with RTÉ and TG4 need to examine and outline their roles in line with a public service.

    While Screen Ireland may need to have oversight from the Arts Council.


    The government can just say we are not giving you 100 odd million this year.



    They can talk to whoever they want to after that but wasting tax payer money should be a non starting position. If Dee Forbes has an issues then she should do her f**king job


  • #4811
    Stovepipe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,985 ✭✭✭Stovepipe


    mgn wrote: »
    Well if the are, there not doing their job either,
    They are. The BAI frequently take RTE on about mistakes or complaints from the public and they do the same to the other TV and radio stations. You just dont hear about it from the BAI.


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  • #4812
    CrankyHaus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,281 ✭✭✭CrankyHaus


    ShamNNspace wrote: »
    I'm afraid I can't see the present government laying much of a hand on them given that they'll want them onside given the hard Road that definitely lies ahead. The Covid bill will have to be paid somehow. Montrose will continue living beyond their means on our buck going forward


    This. As long as they're willing to preach Austerity for others, there'll be no Austerity for them. Just look after the last crash.


  • #4813
    NIMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,670 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Both are accountable to the Government who at some stage needs to step in and put a handle on it

    Many will say that RTE should be autonomous and be allowed to run themselves, but I disagree, as its the Government and taxpayers who are funding them and who will continually have to bail them out when they run up losses.

    As an example, the Government sets the amount of money our consultants can earn, and these people are often life savers with vast medical training and expertise, but they can have no say as to how much Joe Duffy or Ray D'Arcy can earn?

    Why not?


  • #4814
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    The government shouldn't be seen to seem dictate to RTÉ what they can and cannot report on, this is why the Oireachtas Committee should hold that balance, along with the BAI.

    Posters are right about the BAI it is toothless largely siding with RTÉ, Virgin Media and the IBI when it comes to complaints from the audience.
    The BAI frequently take RTE on about mistakes or complaints from the public and they do the same to the other TV and radio stations. You just dont hear about it from the BAI.

    They must transparently show where they have taken on RTÉ, for example they did not say one word about RTÉ's report into the Orchestras, because according to them its outside their remit, sorry folks but when RTÉ over see the Orchestras you oversee RTÉ's orchestras and you should be making an informed statement, if not leading the independent report into them.


  • #4815
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,955 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Many will say that RTE should be autonomous and be allowed to run themselves, but I disagree, as its the Government and taxpayers who are funding them and who will continually have to bail them out when they run up losses.

    As an example, the Government sets the amount of money our consultants can earn, and these people are often life savers with vast medical training and expertise, but they can have no say as to how much Joe Duffy or Ray D'Arcy can earn?

    Why not?


    If RTE is to be run autonomous then they need to stop running looking for more money everytime they f**k up.



    I dont see any attempt by RTE to reduce cost during the crisis. Everyone could tell advertisement would be down etc. But they have done nothing. They should have put in cost cutting measure, instead they continue as is and will hand a big bill to governe,ent


  • #4816
    DenMan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,301 ✭✭✭DenMan


    The second week in a row now Joe Duffy has had people on after being conned and scammed from the Dublin Mint Office (whose headquarters are in the UK). Today he even said it's time for RTE and TG4 to stop taking advertising money from them due to their deceptive tactics used to target elderly and otherwise vulnerable individuals. I hope Dee Forbes was listening in. Maybe it's a big advertising earner for RTE.


  • #4817
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    If RTE is to be run autonomous then they need to stop running looking for more money everytime they f**k up.

    I dont see any attempt by RTE to reduce cost during the crisis. Everyone could tell advertisement would be down etc. But they have done nothing. They should have put in cost cutting measure, instead they continue as is and will hand a big bill to governe,ent


    RTÉ pretty much stopped funding programme making from independents, almost of all other programmes had been produce well in advance with the exception of TLLS, Covid Nation, Today & Comic Relief. TLLS could have taken a break earlier while Covid Nation was unnecessary, as normal Today is now of the air, while comic relief look like more of Misery = Entertainment.

    Like any company their core services are kept up, I would argue that the lack of reform in News cost RTÉ in relation to Covid.

    IMO their decision on Home School Hub was good, but only came about because of COVID.

    How did I get to become the defender of RTÉ, we really need to discuss who's defending and who's attacking. :)


  • #4818
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    DenMan wrote: »
    The second week in a row now Joe Duffy has had people on after being conned and scammed from the Dublin Mint Office (whose headquarters are in the UK). Today he even said it's time for RTE and TG4 to stop taking advertising money from them due to their deceptive tactics used to target elderly and otherwise vulnerable individuals. I hope Dee Forbes was listening in. Maybe it's a big advertising earner for RTE.

    The BAI should have been looking at this.


  • #4819
    Nevin Parsnipp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 832 ✭✭✭Nevin Parsnipp


    Lookit ! Can we quit looking at the small stuff ?

    Before the Station starts looking for more money from the taxpayer consider this .

    The taoiseach of our country who is in a 24hr/365 job with huge responsibility earns approx €275K a year.

    A couple of presenters in RTE...Darcy and Duffy who present an hour long program in the afternoon time slot..and are frequently absent are trousering just North of €450K per annum.

    There are others ...many others on similiar wedges...and this org is constantly whinging for more money ?

    Not sustainable I say ...not remotely sustainable ....

    We have a 15% non compliance with the license fee ...waaay too much ....who is addressing that in a meaningful way and avoiding the soft option of increasing the license fee for compliant subscribers .

    Who has the nutts to sort this out ...?


  • #4820
    Pa ElGrande
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,750 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Nevin Parsnipp wrote: »
    We have a 15% non compliance with the license fee ...waaay too much ....who is addressing that in a meaningful way and avoiding the soft option of increasing the license fee for compliant subscribers.


    The compliance issue is easily solved by making RTE subscriber only. The technology exists to do this and has been successfully implemented by other organisations competing in the market. I strongly object to being forced to pay for bad service I stopped consuming RTE over a decade ago, feedback from my parents who still use the service (inertia and force of habit) indicates the quality of that organisations output has not improved in that period and that the output is mostly repeats and repeats of repeats.

    All proposals on the table thus far amount to mandatory taxation where the consumer cannot vote with their money. Today the choice is get rid of the telly if you do not want to pay the tax and I am happy with this arrangement and have used the money saved to take up cycling.

    Note that a person taxed at the 50% rate must earn €320 per annum to pay the current RTE tax. Unless you are an RTE shareholder the issue of individual earnings and expenses does not concern you. Based on the rate you pay in taxation and your earnings per hour you can do your own calculations on how many hours you need to work to pay for RTE service and if the number of hours of RTE content you consume justifies this.

    If you believe that RTE should provide a "public service" and you want a say in the remunerations of RTE "stars" then you should be pushing for RTE to be converted to a club like the GAA or the UK national trust, this way you can vote on it and many other subjects as a member of the organisation.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • #4821
    retalivity
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,937 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    Pa ElGrande wrote: »
    Today the choice is get rid of the telly if you do not want to pay the tax and I am happy with this arrangement and have used the money saved to take up cycling.

    I have done this and i don't regret it. Anything I want to watch I can stream through another medium anyway - Netflix, Nowtv, Youtube etc.

    However, I am still included in the 15% as an 'evader' - as it suits RTE to presume that there couldn't possibly be anyone in the country without a TV and needing their services, therefore they must pay.


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  • #4822
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,557 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    These champagne socialists will be crying their crocodile tears when the budget cuts come , and banging on about their attack on " the most vulnerable " people who have never worked etc ...

    The simple thing to do is tell them they live within their means, they just see the taxpayer as the golden goose at the moment


  • #4823
    Biafranlivemat
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 386 ✭✭Biafranlivemat


    The BBC have 450 jobs cuts planned. Why can’t Dee Forbes get rid of 1 job.

    Best Quote from the article.
    “The BBC is struggling to connect with many British people - especially those from poorer socioeconomic backgrounds, and – even more so - those under 35.
    The licence fee, which accounts for around 75% of the BBC's revenue, is under unprecedented political and structural pressure.”

    https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-51271168


  • #4824
    tallaghtfornia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 671 ✭✭✭tallaghtfornia


    I was trying to explain to my friend from HK what a TV licence was and he start laughing at me - this dead organisation needs to be trimmed down and the dead wood god rid of. RTEs model was good 20 years ago now people either dont have cable TV or access to RTE.


  • #4825
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    tallaghtfornia wrote: »
    I was trying to explain to my friend from HK what a TV licence was and he start laughing at me - this dead organisation needs to be trimmed down and the dead wood god rid of. RTEs model was good 20 years ago now people either dont have cable TV or access to RTE.

    Unlike other public broadcasters like the BBC (Britain) and NHK (Japan), which are statutory corporations primarily funded by licence fees, RTHK (Hong Kong) is government agency directly supported by annual government funding.

    Does your friend know that RTHK is directly funding by the HK Exchequer?


  • #4826
    tallaghtfornia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 671 ✭✭✭tallaghtfornia


    Elmo wrote: »
    Unlike other public broadcasters like the BBC (Britain) and NHK (Japan), which are statutory corporations primarily funded by licence fees, RTHK (Hong Kong) is government agency directly supported by annual government funding.

    Does your friend know that RTHK is directly funding by the HK Exchequer?

    I never asked his opinion on that no do I care, however I think having to pay a 'licence fee' to own a TV in the year 2020 to keep a few elites happy in D4 is madness.


  • #4827
    RabbleRouser2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,629 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    These champagne socialists will be crying their crocodile tears when the budget cuts come , and banging on about their attack on " the most vulnerable " people who have never worked etc ...

    The simple thing to do is tell them they live within their means, they just see the taxpayer as the golden goose at the moment

    Tbf, many of those in government have never worked either. Rich parents, who covered for them.

    Such as the last housing minister, who put up his campaign poster in the spot where a homeless person was paralysed for life.


  • #4828
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    tallaghtfornia wrote: »
    I never asked his opinion on that no do I care, however I think having to pay a 'licence fee' to own a TV in the year 2020 to keep a few elites happy in D4 is madness.

    Do you think it should be funded by the Exchequer like in Hong Kong?

    This idea that Ireland is the only country in the world that has a TV licence or public funding broadcasting/media needs to be debunked, at least we know what we are paying to the Licence and largely where it goes, I'd say as taxes become more hidden less and less of the public actually realise that things are paid from taxation.

    In a few years time you'll be explaining the licence fee to someone and they'll think we don't fund public service media, when in reality something else will have replaced it.

    This isn't defending the licence fee or public spending on a media organisation which is in complete need of reform.


  • #4829
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,955 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    tallaghtfornia wrote: »
    I never asked his opinion on that no do I care, however I think having to pay a 'licence fee' to own a TV in the year 2020 to keep a few elites happy in D4 is madness.


    No its not


  • #4830
    leoXX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 42 ✭leoXX


    At the start of covid 19, the BBC did massive cuts to their local radio stations by bringing in 4 hour shifts across the 7 day schedules, it has now been announced that this is going to become permanent. Compare that to RTE, who
    actually beefed up RTE Gold during covid (a channel they claim they are going to close) and have done absolutely no cuts whatsoever, despite claiming to be in financial problems long before covid. Look at the 2fm weekend schedule, 15 DJs doing 2 hour shows.


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  • #4831
    Kivaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    Biafranlivemat wrote: »
    The BBC have 450 jobs cuts planned. Why can’t Dee Forbes get rid of 1 job.

    Best Quote from the article.
    “The BBC is struggling to connect with many British people ........”
    RTE believe that they are connecting with Irish people, but the reality is far from it. They are more of a divisive entity in this country than anything else. If they kept their collective noses out of trying to formulate policies that is detrimental to the majority in Ireland, then they would probably find that they would not be so disliked by so many.

    There was a thread on AH when Covid started on which businesses people would like to see fail, and RTE was very high on the list. The elites of the RTE quango should ask themselves "Why?".


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