Is this the end of Democrat front runner Joe Biden?

DrPhilG · 27-06-2020 10:59PM

When are the 3 debates scheduled?

They should be entertaining one way or the other. Either Biden will toast Trump on his failings, or Trump will goad Biden on his gaffes and make him lose the rag.

Igotadose · 28-06-2020 03:37PM

Tony EH wrote: »

Ah now, let's not go that far.

Trump's a twat, no doubt. But compared to Bush Jr his damage so far has been miniscule.

135,000 excess Covid-19 deaths. Lots of damage to the US economy and international standing. It's a close call with Bush Jr (who up till Trump was the worst of all time)

Danzy · 28-06-2020 03:43PM

Igotadose wrote: »

135,000 excess Covid-19 deaths. Lots of damage to the US economy and international standing. It's a close call with Bush Jr (who up till Trump was the worst of all time)

Why has America had so few deaths?

Too many if course but 350mn people live there.

Is it their climate?
Sure as **** isn't their healthy diet and exercise.

jackboy · 28-06-2020 03:48PM

DrPhilG wrote: »

When are the 3 debates scheduled?

They should be entertaining one way or the other. Either Biden will toast Trump on his failings, or Trump will goad Biden on his gaffes and make him lose the rag.

I don’t think Biden is capable of debating at this stage. His team will deal with this with massive preparation. Once he doesn’t get absolutely annihilated his team will be content.

namloc1980 · 28-06-2020 03:52PM

DrPhilG wrote: »

When are the 3 debates scheduled?

They should be entertaining one way or the other. Either Biden will toast Trump on his failings, or Trump will goad Biden on his gaffes and make him lose the rag.

Going to be serious low quality debating either way. But it'll definitely be entertaining!

namloc1980 · 28-06-2020 03:56PM

jamule wrote: »

can u give us a clue of what trumps goals are for his 2nd term. i listened to him answer hannity but i need a translator

He has no goals, he has no policies. His rallies are beyond embarrassing - no vision or platform for the future. What he does have is the ability to spout a load gibberish with a healthy dose of racism thrown in and the people at his rallies absolutely love it (case in point below). He's the most uninspiring leader I've seen in a long time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQjTCatM0Ww

Igotadose · 28-06-2020 04:30PM

jackboy wrote: »

I don’t think Trumpis capable of debating at this stage. His team will deal with this with massive preparation. Once he doesn’t get absolutely annihilated his team will be content.

FYP. Who has been more coherent to listen to, for the last few months? Hint: Not Trump

jackboy · 28-06-2020 06:37PM

Igotadose wrote: »

FYP. Who has been more coherent to listen to, for the last few months? Hint: Not Trump

In fairness Biden is incoherent. He is senile and can only half function reading a teleprompter. Trump is well able to speak off the cuff. He may speak rubbish but is generally saying what he means, whereas Biden just gets confused and mixed up.

Tell me how · 28-06-2020 06:41PM

jackboy wrote: »

In fairness Biden is incoherent. He is senile and can only half function reading a teleprompter. Trump is well able to speak off the cuff. He may speak rubbish but is generally saying what he means, whereas Biden just gets confused and mixed up.

For the love of god......

It's not even worth arguing with this mindset.

Igotadose · 28-06-2020 06:44PM

jackboy wrote: »

In fairness Biden is incoherent. He is senile and can only half function reading a teleprompter. Trump is well able to speak off the cuff. He may speak rubbish but is generally saying what he means, whereas Biden just gets confused and mixed up.

Sidesplitting. In faurness, you're making it up as you go alonf. Try harder. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UE9BXkQ-SRc

Tony EH · 28-06-2020 06:49PM

jackboy wrote: »

In fairness Biden is incoherent. He is senile and can only half function reading a teleprompter. Trump is well able to speak off the cuff. He may speak rubbish but is generally saying what he means, whereas Biden just gets confused and mixed up.

This is the written version of setting up some dominoes and knocking them over.

jackboy · 28-06-2020 06:53PM

Tell me how wrote: »

For the love of god......

It's not even worth arguing with this mindset.

We are not talking about who would be the best president here, but who should win a debate. Clearly Trump would have the advantage in a debate. Not because he will say anything great but he is far better than Biden at the off the cuff stuff.

Biden will struggle to hold thing’s together during a debate. His only chance is to try and learn monologues off by heart and spout them out regardless of the questions.

Tell me how · 28-06-2020 06:55PM

jackboy wrote: »

We are not talking about who would be the best president here, but who should win a debate. Clearly Trump would have the advantage in a debate. Not because he will say anything great but he is far better than Biden at the off the cuff stuff.

Biden will struggle to hold thing’s together during a debate. His only chance is to try and learn monologues off by heart and spout them out regardless of the questions.

Sean Hannity asked Trump what his goals were for a second term.

Trump: 'Well, one of the things that will be really great, you know the word experience is still good. I always say talent is more important than experience. I’ve always said that. But the word experience is a very important word. It’s an — a very important meaning.

I never did this before. I never slept over in Washington. I was in Washington, I think, 17 times. All of a sudden, I’m president of the United States. You know the story. I’m riding down Pennsylvania Avenue with our First Lady and I say, ‘This is great. But I didn’t know very many people in Washington. It wasn’t my thing. I was from Manhattan, from New York. Now I know everybody, and I have great people in the administration.”

You make some mistakes. Like, you know, an idiot like Bolton. All he wanted to do was drop bombs on everybody. You don’t have to drop bombs on everybody. You don’t have to kill people.'

You really think that is the output of someone who is a good speaker?
And BS catchphrases of 'Build the wall' 'Lock her Up' isn't either.

timsey tiger · 28-06-2020 07:01PM

Tell me how wrote: »

Sean Hannity asked Trump what his goals were for a second term.

You really think that is the output of someone who is a good speaker?
And BS catchphrases of 'Build the wall' 'Lock her Up' isn't either.

Not bad if your goals are:
1. get richer
2. don't go to gaol

jackboy · 28-06-2020 07:02PM

Tell me how wrote: »

You really think that is the output of someone who is a good speaker?
And BS catchphrases of 'Build the wall' 'Lock her Up' isn't either.

Yes they are BS catchphrases.

However, it is really telling that I am being given instances of poor speaking from Trump rather than recent instances of good off the cuff speeches from Biden.

DeanAustin · 28-06-2020 07:06PM

Tell me how wrote: »

Sean Hannity asked Trump what his goals were for a second term.

You really think that is the output of someone who is a good speaker?
And BS catchphrases of 'Build the wall' 'Lock her Up' isn't either.

Yes. I'm never left in any doubt as to what Trump means. I think most of it is garbage but that just makes him a bad President. He's a very, very good speaker.

Tell me how · 28-06-2020 07:09PM

jackboy wrote: »

Yes they are BS catchphrases.

However, it is really telling that I am being given instances of poor speaking from Trump rather than recent instances of good off the cuff speeches from Biden.

You said that Trump is well able to speak of the cuff, he patently isn't. Just because there is noise coming from his mouth does not mean that he is well able to speak. The phrase, 'Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt' could have been coined with him in mind.

Timberrrrrrrr · 28-06-2020 07:09PM

jackboy wrote: »

In fairness Biden is incoherent. He is senile and can only half function reading a teleprompter. Trump is well able to speak off the cuff. He may speak rubbish but is generally saying what he means, whereas Biden just gets confused and mixed up.

Oh look, another boards.ie medical expert has diagnosed Biden :rolleyes:

jackboy · 28-06-2020 07:11PM

Tell me how wrote: »

You said that Trump is well able to speak of the cuff, he patently isn't.

Ah in fairness he is. Of course you will find some mistakes but in general he speaks clearly, far clearer than Biden.

Rjd2 · 28-06-2020 07:13PM

Igotadose wrote: »

135,000 excess Covid-19 deaths. Lots of damage to the US economy and international standing. It's a close call with Bush Jr (who up till Trump was the worst of all time)

Maybe if Trump gets another 4 years he could be worse than Bush, but as he won't then its JR.

We mustn't forget Iraq or downplay it, twas a war that was fought on lies, hundreds of thousands dead, ISIS emerged and the region radicalised.

We also had Katrina, plenty of dog whistling from his team and some terrible economic strategies, Bush as a person might be more intelligent and likeable than Trump but nope for now Bush was the worst of the two.

Timberrrrrrrr · 28-06-2020 07:14PM

DeanAustin wrote: »

Yes. I'm never left in any doubt as to what Trump means. I think most of it is garbage but that just makes him a bad President. He's a very, very good speaker.

He is in me hole

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UE9BXkQ-SRc

Itssoeasy · 28-06-2020 07:17PM

jackboy wrote: »

Ah in fairness he is. Of course you will find some mistakes but in general he speaks clearly, far clearer than Biden.

Some mistakes ? He lies constantly and sometimes contradicts himself in the same sentence. Speaking clearly isn't relevant when what you are speaking is verbal rubbish.

jamule · 28-06-2020 07:21PM

jackboy wrote: »

Ah in fairness he is. Of course you will find some mistakes but in general he speaks clearly, far clearer than Biden.

2 times in the last week he has spoken.
His speech in Tulsa and the Hannity interview, can you point out the good bits ( or at least translate them into somethinh correrent)

jackboy · 28-06-2020 07:25PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Some mistakes ? He lies constantly and sometimes contradicts himself in the same sentence. Speaking clearly isn't relevant when what you are speaking is verbal rubbish.

Speaking clearly is relevant in a debate, even if your talking rubbish.

Again, everyone here is just attacking trump. Absolutely no one has said anything to defend Biden yet. Why might that be?

Tell me how · 28-06-2020 07:29PM

jackboy wrote: »

Speaking clearly is relevant in a debate, even if your talking rubbish.

Again, everyone here is just attacking trump. Absolutely no one has said anything to defend Biden yet. Why might that be?

Because Trump is such an inept individual to respond by commenting on Biden would in some way validate the view that Trump is a reasonable communicator.

It's like inviting a flat earther on to a show to talk about physics with Brian Cox. They are not the same and the flat earthers incompetence needs to be focused on to definitively prove that they are out of their depth.

You want an example of clear communication from Biden. Try this.

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1276930290858905605

pjohnson · 28-06-2020 07:31PM

jackboy wrote: »

Speaking clearly is relevant in a debate, even if your talking rubbish.

Again, everyone here is just attacking trump. Absolutely no one has said anything to defend Biden yet. Why might that be?

Because every "attack on Biden" that is used is generally something that Trump has already shown himself to be even worse at.

Its like saying standing in dog shít is a disgrace while standing ankle deep in pig shyte.

Biker79 · 28-06-2020 07:36PM

There are two areas of weakness in Trumps speaking style.

The first is his NY dialect mannerisms. But they aren't a sign of cognitive weakness, they are colloquial in nature and further enhance his image as every day, no BS kind of guy.

The second is an occasional gaffe. It's hard to say, in these instances, if he is under pressure or if he is trolling the media. He clearly likes to do the latter, but he may also use this to disguise his gaffes.

Importantly though, his gaffes are occasional and not part of a persistent pattern. Which means he is still sharp and capable. His ability to speak coherently as well as off the cuff in front of thousands and a national TV audience clearly supports this.

Bearing in mind he is presenting himself for re-election while still managing his duties as president - so he has double the pressure that Biden has, and he still wipes the floor with him.

So clearly Trump is in far batter cognitive shape than Biden. There's no comparison, really.

namloc1980 · 28-06-2020 07:43PM

DeanAustin wrote: »

Yes. I'm never left in any doubt as to what Trump means. I think most of it is garbage but that just makes him a bad President. He's a very, very good speaker.

Oh ffs, it's incredible that anybody can believe Trump is a very, very good speaker.

Igotadose · 28-06-2020 07:49PM

Biker79 wrote: »

There are two areas of weakness in Trumps speaking style.

Uhuh. From false premises...

The first is his NY dialect mannerisms. But they aren't a sign of cognitive weakness, they are colloquial in nature and further enhance his image as every day, no BS kind of guy.

You mean the swearing or the jerky body movements or the sniffing?

BTW - NYC born and raised here and active in business for many years. Trump's a dreadful speaker, period. As a self-professed titan of real estate industry, the head of a multi-billion dollar business enterprise, you'd expect even a modicum of speaking ability. Not Trump though

The second is an occasional gaffe. It's hard to say, in these instances, if he is under pressure or if he is trolling the media. He clearly likes to do the latter, but he may also use this to disguise his gaffes.

Occasional? I've already posted one of many links. The other day Trump talked about President Biden. Slow week - there's a 'gaffe' a day or so.

Importantly though, his gaffes are occasional and not part of a persistent pattern. Which means he is still sharp and capable. His ability to speak coherently as well as off the cuff in front of thousands and a national TV audience clearly supports this.

From false premises... He gaffes all. the. time.

Bearing in mind he is presenting himself for re-election while still managing his duties as president - so he has double the pressure that Biden has, and he still wipes the floor with him.

Really? They've debated? They've both spoken at the same event
So clearly Trump is in far batter cognitive shape than Biden.

Does the UK have a nuclear capability? Cognitive capability really comes down to, does his brain work. Does Trump's? How did he NOT know about the UK nuclear missile capability (and what was the bit with the nukes and the hurricane?)

Biden stammers on occasion is all.

There's no comparison, really.

Indeed. It'll all be clarified in the debates.

ChelseaRentBoy · 28-06-2020 07:53PM

God help America if this is the best they can do.

Is this the end of Democrat front runner Joe Biden?

Comments